Those Peaceful People-Let's 'Give' Them Their Own State

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  1. Annie
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    Of course they already have their own state, since last year's pullout of Gaza. Well never mind that, peace has broken out, (again), in their non-civil war:

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1583349,00.html

    Whoops, they'll have to try again:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

     
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    Palestinians do NOT have their own state! When another country can withold their money, impose checkpoints, invade with impunity and bulldoze their homes - Palestinians hardly have control. Despite international efforts to mess with Hamas democratic victory, they have managed to stay the course.
    Bush should be proud.
     
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    The Palestinians are getting exactly what they asked for. I'm not saying they deserve it, but when you put a quasi-terrorist entity into control... :rolleyes: dumbasses.


    The in-fighting within Palestine is a good thing for Israel. If the Palestinians get along with each other... well...

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    You are exactly right. Excellent point. I'd add that when another country can blow up your bus stations, cafes, almost exclusively & blatantly intentionally target children & other civillians... and reign rockets & missiles down on you with no warning, you hardly have control.:idea:
     
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    The course of Hamas is destruction of Israel, then they'll work on the final destruction of the Palestinians. Why do you think no other Arab state wants the Palis?
     
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    Here is another illustrative report, note how Palestinians keep their word'...

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/wor...71170000&en=84b248d78ba24875&ei=5070&emc=eta1


     
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    Well that won't stop our state department:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16947262/from/RS.1/

     
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    Palestinians DO have their own State, THATS the problem!

    It's not THEIR money, it INTERNATIONAL AID.

    Yea, Hamas is "staying the course", terror, death, and destruction.

    Why on earth would you say, "Bush should be proud"? Are you another of those that hold OUR President responsible for EVERYTHING bad in the world?

    Oh, by the way, Freedom ISN'T free, anyone who has fought for it knows that.:eusa_doh:
     
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    Actually, the money in question is tax levied on Palestinian earners in Israel, so it is NOT 'AID'. Hamas was the only group to have a 16 month ceasefire with Israel, and their representative on CNN even said the future is a two-state solution, however, what do expect them to do when Israel disobeys international law and consistently violates their obligations by building more settlements, bulldozing homes, and killing FAR MORE civillians than any militant arabs have ever killed jews.

    Sure Hamas should renounce violence, but asking only one side of a fight to put down their weapons is unfair, and unrealistic. Especially when the side being asked to make all the concessions is the weaker, poorer side. How can anyone claim they have their own state when another country can build barriers through it? Can subject the citizens to security checkpoints, deny ambulances the ability to get to the wounded, and fire missiles into homes 'SUSPECTED' of housing militants. I don't like the thought of anyone being killed - but resistance to occupation is legal, and no matter how many vetoes the US uses - the rest of the world knows oppression when they see it.
     
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    To the comment about freedom, leaving someone alone, not bombing them, and not destabilizing their government IS free. Sending thousands of troops to another country and kicking in people's doors, jailing them, shutting down newspapers, making and using chemical weapons - THAT costs money. Just check the deficit.
     
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    It's always funny to me to watch the case of Israel v. the Palestinians unfold, and trained American reaction to it. The Israelis are, clumsy though it may be, practically indistinguishable from Nazis in their treatment of Palestinians. And yet, they themselves had the most recent experience of being on the business end of fierce nationalism.

    But never mind. Nazis are all bad, and Jews are all good. So says the media, the schools, our government, the neoconservatives, and all the rest. Just a few lefty and far-right kooks willing to point out the freakin' obvious. No amount of facts will persuade your average Idiot American that "Israel good. Israel good. Israel never bad. Israel never bad. Me eat cheez whiz. Me watch Oprah now."

    Duh. People are so dumb. I don't care if you're Jewish and want all Arabs dead or vice-versa, the facts are the facts. And the fact is that Israel is a middle-eastern version of National Socialist Germany, with American funding and Jewish-controlled American media support.

    I personally don't care if Jews want to act like Nazis. But the fact that everyone lies about it so reflexively just weirds me out.
     

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