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1:3 civilian-to-combatant ratio, that is, one civilian killed for every three Hamas combatants, a ratio unheard-of in the history of warfare.
What Percentage of Those Killed by the IDF in Gaza were Civilians?
Should we really be taking Hamas numbers at face value?
April 4, 2024 by Hugh Fitzgerald
As is well known, Hamas has a long history, going back many years, of undercounting its own losses and exaggerating the number of civilians killed by the IDF. Think of the âmassacre of Jenin,â where Hamas claimed that â500 civiliansâ had been massacred by the IDF. In the end, both American and Israeli intelligence concluded that 52 people had been killed by the IDF, at least 45 of whom were members of Hamas. Or consider the Hamas claim that an Israeli airstrike hit the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza, killed â471 civilians.â It turned out that not an Israeli airstrike, but a missile launched toward Israel by Palestinian Islamic Jihad had misfired, and fell to earth in the parking lot of the Al-Ahli hospital, not on the hospital itself.
Hamas continues to inflate the number of civilians killed by the IDF in Gaza. It counts as âdeaths caused by the IDFâ all the civilians in Gaza who are accidentally killed by Hamas and its allied terror group Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) when their weapons, including missiles, misfire, as did that PIJ missile at the Al-Ahli Hospital. How many victims of friendly fireâ from Hamas have there been? Hamas also counts all those who die of natural causes â about 500 Gazans a month â as having been killed by the IDF. Thatâs close to 3,000 civilian deaths wrongly attributed so far to the IDF.
It turns out that as many as 75% of the Gazans killed may have been Hamas terrorists. More on the calculation that leads to this conclusion can be found here: âMore than half, and maybe as many as 75%, of Gaza deaths are Hamas terrorists. Hereâs why.â Elder of Ziyon, March 17, 2024 [More than half, and maybe as many as 75%, of Gaza deaths are Hamas terrorists. Here's why.]:
'The Gaza ministry of health has not directly counted 31,000 dead. Their own documentation says that they directly counted some 17,000 in their hospitals, and (as of March 4) over 13,000 from âtrusted media sources.â
Those âtrusted media sourcesâ are the Hamas âgovernment media office,â that the UN calls âGMO.â
Now, letâs look at the incident from the Kuwaiti roundabout last week. The Ministry of Health said that 20 were killed while the Hamas media office said 100 were killed.
The Hamas media office simply makes things up out of thin air. Just as weâve seen from the Al Ahli hospital explosion, they will inflate death tolls by 5 times or more. And the media knows it â none of them reported the higher Kuwaiti roundabout figures (that were killed by Palestinian gunmen.) Yet the UN relies on the Hamas media office for its statistics of women and children killed, as well as the total number killed given by the MoH which includes the 13,000 from Hamas, and then the UN figures get reported as factual by the media.
It was Hamas gunmen, not the IDF, who fired into the crowd of Gazan civilians who had been waiting for food aid to arrive at the Kuwaiti Circle. Hamas wanted to scare them away â by shooting to kill â so its own operatives could seize the food for themselves and their extended families. Yet Hamas blamed the IDF for all of those deaths.
Now that means that the 31,000 killed reported by Hamas are highly suspect. We can imagine there are some bodies that never made it to hospitals, but not anything close to 31,000.
In short, there are not 31,000 dead in Gaza. The real number is thousands less.
Letâs be generous and pretend that Hamas only inflates their portion of the death toll numbers by a factor of 2. That would mean that the total Gaza death toll is closer to 23,000, not 31,000.
Now, Israel is reporting that it has killed 13,000 Hamas and other terrorists. From previous wars, IDF estimates of terrorists killed were found to be accurate even though they were hotly disputed at the time.
If the IDF has killed 13,000 terrorists, and the total Gaza death toll is 23,000 and not 31,000, that means that 56% of those killed are Hamas.
If the real death toll is closer to 20,000 (which would be my guess with Hamas inflating their numbers by a factor of 5), then the percentage [of Hamas members killed] goes up to 65% â nearly two out of three being terrorists, which is an absolutely stunning number given how much Hamas relies on human shields as its defensive strategyâŚ.'
Do the math. It looks like there have not been 31,000 dead Gazans killed by the IDF but far fewer. Once we take into account Hamasâ usual exaggerations of civilian deaths, and subtract the number of Gazans killed by malfunctioning weapons of Hamas and PIJ, and âfriendly fireâ incidents by Hamas shooting, by accident, its own, and subtract as well the natural deaths of Gazans, we arrive at a total of about 17,000, with 13,00 of them being, according to the IDFâs calculation, Hamas operatives. That means about 75% of the deaths in Gaza are of Hamas terrorists.
Do you think any IDF spokesman will be allowed to present these calculations on CNN, or the BBC, or Agence France Presse? Do you think The New York Times or The Washington Post will examine Hamasâ claims on casualties, and publish the results? No, of course not. They directly contradict the incessant reporting about â31,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children.â There is no evidence that they were âmostly women and children,â but that is the Hamas phrase that the world media have chosen to endlessly repeat, without examining its truth or falsehood. Still, for those who are willing to sit still, and consider carefully the calculations presented by Elder of Ziyon, it should be quite a revelation. To wit, up to 75% of those killed in Gaza are likely to have been Hamas members.
That means a 1:3 civilian-to-combatant ratio, that is, one civilian killed for every three Hamas combatants, a ratio unheard-of in the history of warfare.
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1:3 civilian-to-combatant ratio, that is, one civilian killed for every three Hamas combatants, a ratio unheard-of in the history of warfare.
What Percentage of Those Killed by the IDF in Gaza were Civilians?
Should we really be taking Hamas numbers at face value?
April 4, 2024 by Hugh Fitzgerald
As is well known, Hamas has a long history, going back many years, of undercounting its own losses and exaggerating the number of civilians killed by the IDF. Think of the âmassacre of Jenin,â where Hamas claimed that â500 civiliansâ had been massacred by the IDF. In the end, both American and Israeli intelligence concluded that 52 people had been killed by the IDF, at least 45 of whom were members of Hamas. Or consider the Hamas claim that an Israeli airstrike hit the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza, killed â471 civilians.â It turned out that not an Israeli airstrike, but a missile launched toward Israel by Palestinian Islamic Jihad had misfired, and fell to earth in the parking lot of the Al-Ahli hospital, not on the hospital itself.
Hamas continues to inflate the number of civilians killed by the IDF in Gaza. It counts as âdeaths caused by the IDFâ all the civilians in Gaza who are accidentally killed by Hamas and its allied terror group Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) when their weapons, including missiles, misfire, as did that PIJ missile at the Al-Ahli Hospital. How many victims of friendly fireâ from Hamas have there been? Hamas also counts all those who die of natural causes â about 500 Gazans a month â as having been killed by the IDF. Thatâs close to 3,000 civilian deaths wrongly attributed so far to the IDF.
It turns out that as many as 75% of the Gazans killed may have been Hamas terrorists. More on the calculation that leads to this conclusion can be found here: âMore than half, and maybe as many as 75%, of Gaza deaths are Hamas terrorists. Hereâs why.â Elder of Ziyon, March 17, 2024 [More than half, and maybe as many as 75%, of Gaza deaths are Hamas terrorists. Here's why.]:
'The Gaza ministry of health has not directly counted 31,000 dead. Their own documentation says that they directly counted some 17,000 in their hospitals, and (as of March 4) over 13,000 from âtrusted media sources.â
Those âtrusted media sourcesâ are the Hamas âgovernment media office,â that the UN calls âGMO.â
Now, letâs look at the incident from the Kuwaiti roundabout last week. The Ministry of Health said that 20 were killed while the Hamas media office said 100 were killed.
The Hamas media office simply makes things up out of thin air. Just as weâve seen from the Al Ahli hospital explosion, they will inflate death tolls by 5 times or more. And the media knows it â none of them reported the higher Kuwaiti roundabout figures (that were killed by Palestinian gunmen.) Yet the UN relies on the Hamas media office for its statistics of women and children killed, as well as the total number killed given by the MoH which includes the 13,000 from Hamas, and then the UN figures get reported as factual by the media.
It was Hamas gunmen, not the IDF, who fired into the crowd of Gazan civilians who had been waiting for food aid to arrive at the Kuwaiti Circle. Hamas wanted to scare them away â by shooting to kill â so its own operatives could seize the food for themselves and their extended families. Yet Hamas blamed the IDF for all of those deaths.
Now that means that the 31,000 killed reported by Hamas are highly suspect. We can imagine there are some bodies that never made it to hospitals, but not anything close to 31,000.
In short, there are not 31,000 dead in Gaza. The real number is thousands less.
Letâs be generous and pretend that Hamas only inflates their portion of the death toll numbers by a factor of 2. That would mean that the total Gaza death toll is closer to 23,000, not 31,000.
Now, Israel is reporting that it has killed 13,000 Hamas and other terrorists. From previous wars, IDF estimates of terrorists killed were found to be accurate even though they were hotly disputed at the time.
If the IDF has killed 13,000 terrorists, and the total Gaza death toll is 23,000 and not 31,000, that means that 56% of those killed are Hamas.
If the real death toll is closer to 20,000 (which would be my guess with Hamas inflating their numbers by a factor of 5), then the percentage [of Hamas members killed] goes up to 65% â nearly two out of three being terrorists, which is an absolutely stunning number given how much Hamas relies on human shields as its defensive strategyâŚ.'
Do the math. It looks like there have not been 31,000 dead Gazans killed by the IDF but far fewer. Once we take into account Hamasâ usual exaggerations of civilian deaths, and subtract the number of Gazans killed by malfunctioning weapons of Hamas and PIJ, and âfriendly fireâ incidents by Hamas shooting, by accident, its own, and subtract as well the natural deaths of Gazans, we arrive at a total of about 17,000, with 13,00 of them being, according to the IDFâs calculation, Hamas operatives. That means about 75% of the deaths in Gaza are of Hamas terrorists.
Do you think any IDF spokesman will be allowed to present these calculations on CNN, or the BBC, or Agence France Presse? Do you think The New York Times or The Washington Post will examine Hamasâ claims on casualties, and publish the results? No, of course not. They directly contradict the incessant reporting about â31,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children.â There is no evidence that they were âmostly women and children,â but that is the Hamas phrase that the world media have chosen to endlessly repeat, without examining its truth or falsehood. Still, for those who are willing to sit still, and consider carefully the calculations presented by Elder of Ziyon, it should be quite a revelation. To wit, up to 75% of those killed in Gaza are likely to have been Hamas members.
That means a 1:3 civilian-to-combatant ratio, that is, one civilian killed for every three Hamas combatants, a ratio unheard-of in the history of warfare.
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