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[westwall]

All the links I see point to state departments. Nothing at all about the federal EPA.

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

She provided you the link TO the EPA regs. Try being intellectually honest for once.

Your spurious insult will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

I did not refute the EPA regulations that were provided. I pointed out the opinions of bloggers are irrelevant.

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

Neither of you have provided the links.

Try again.

It's not a spurious insult when you demonstrate intellectual dishonesty on such a flagrant basis. And I will be providing those. I have other things to do at the moment and they have to be dug up. Be patient.

 

[peach174]

Building a pond in your backyard would fall under your local township zoning rules that have nothing whatsoever to do with the EPA.

The EPA has declared MANY ponds that farmers have built for irrigation purposes to be wetlands and have begun enforcing wetland regs on them.

Look it up.

All the links I see point to state departments. Nothing at all about the federal EPA.

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

The first link is the EPA rules and I bet you did not read them.
The Farm Ranch Guide is not a bloggers site.
It's a ag publication

 

[WelfareQueen]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

the first of 11.7 million hits:

Wyoming welder faces 75 000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property Fox News

 

[WelfareQueen]

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

the first of 11.7 million hits:

Wyoming welder faces 75 000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property Fox News

He won't read the link and he'll either deflect or deny the truth in front of his lying eyes.

The EPA is being used as a non-elected and non-accountable agency to We the People to punish industries or groups Obama and his merry villains hate. It is as simple as that and it cannot be logically refuted.

So prepare for bullshit in 3....2.....1....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

the first of 11.7 million hits:

Wyoming welder faces 75 000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property Fox News

He won't read the link and he'll either deflect or deny the truth in front of his lying eyes.

The EPA is being used as a non-elected and non-accountable agency to We the People to punish industries or groups Obama and his merry villains hate. It is as simple as that and it cannot be logically refuted.

So prepare for bullshit in 3....2.....1....

Such is the nature of evil Queeny.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

She provided you the link TO the EPA regs. Try being intellectually honest for once.

Your spurious insult will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

I did not refute the EPA regulations that were provided. I pointed out the opinions of bloggers are irrelevant.

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

Neither of you have provided the links.

Try again.

It's not a spurious insult when you demonstrate intellectual dishonesty on such a flagrant basis. And I will be providing those. I have other things to do at the moment and they have to be dug up. Be patient.

Onus is on you to PROVE "intellectual dishonesty".

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

She provided you the link TO the EPA regs. Try being intellectually honest for once.

Your spurious insult will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

I did not refute the EPA regulations that were provided. I pointed out the opinions of bloggers are irrelevant.

YOU were going to provide specific examples of farmers encountering violations of EPA regulations by building ponds.

Neither of you have provided the links.

Try again.

It's not a spurious insult when you demonstrate intellectual dishonesty on such a flagrant basis. And I will be providing those. I have other things to do at the moment and they have to be dug up. Be patient.

Onus is on you to PROVE "intellectual dishonesty".

Well.. you've done a wonderful job proving THAT.

So let's move then, to your concessions relevant to the inarguable abuse of power by the irrational EPA... which is the "SS" of the Environmental Crank Culture.

Your concessions are duly noted and summarily accepted.

Should we discuss the collapse of the "Global Warming Cult"?

 

[Derideo_Te]

The EPA has declared MANY ponds that farmers have built for irrigation purposes to be wetlands and have begun enforcing wetland regs on them.

Look it up.

All the links I see point to state departments. Nothing at all about the federal EPA.

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

The first link is the EPA rules and I bet you did not read them.
The Farm Ranch Guide is not a bloggers site.
It's a ag publication

I am familiar for CFR regulations because I have worked with them most of my life. I can quote some of them off by heart. I don't need to read through them all to understand how they apply.

The blog article you pointed to was not specific to the topic that WW and I are discussing and therefore irrelevant. WW said that farmers would get into trouble building a pond. Nothing in that article refers to ponds. Instead it refers to existing wetlands and areas that fall under the jurisdiction of seasonal wetlands.

 

[Dot Com]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

yep. Thats a conservative paradise, clear-cut everything & sell everything not nailed down

 

[peach174]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

The EPA has forced the coal plants to use their very expensive coal filter for all coal plants. Cost between 160- 200 million. That is passed on to the customers.
That tells me that Washington D.C congress has done a deal with the company that makes the coal filter.
Texas and here in Cochise Az. we have a better more efficient coal filter and the cost is 21 million here at our plant in AZ., but the EPA is refusing any of the better type coal filters.
They refused to listen to us at their meeting and closed all discussions about it.
Ron Barber got them to open up negations again but I doubt it will help and will not accomplish anything.
Corrupt Washington has made a deal with the one company that is more expensive.
EPA rejects Texas plan to cut haze-causing pollution from coal plants Dallas Morning News
Opposition strong for proposed EPA regs - Arizona Range News News

The goal is to shut them down.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

Thank you for admitting that you could not cite a single instance of any industry that has been "killed" by the EPA.

Coal has been in decline for decades now.

But being a racist you will dredge up any excuse to blame Obama even though the decline of the coal industry has been happening since your beloved St Reagan was in office.

So once again you provide absolutely nothing of any value except lies and insults.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

Thank you for admitting that you could not cite a single instance of any industry that has been "killed" by the EPA.

Coal has been in decline for decades now.

But being a racist you will dredge up any excuse to blame Obama even though the decline of the coal industry has been happening since your beloved St Reagan was in office.

So once again you provide absolutely nothing of any value except lies and insults.

So... we find that the LEFT needs to literally kill an industry, before it will 'do' anything about it.

Just like the Labor Union thing... they and their Politician proponents killed the Steel, Textile, Electronics industries and have all but killed the Automobile manufacturing industry. Of course that only works if ya consider that obama's cult gave GM to the Unions who have since converted it into a Recall Generating Industry.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

The EPA has forced the coal plants to use their very expensive coal filter for all coal plants. Cost between 160- 200 million. That is passed on to the customers.
That tells me that Washington D.C congress has done a deal with the company that makes the coal filter.
Texas and here in Cochise Az. we have a better more efficient coal filter and the cost is 21 million here at our plant in AZ., but the EPA is refusing any of the better type coal filters.
They refused to listen to us at their meeting and closed all discussions about it.
Ron Barber got them to open up negations again but I doubt it will help and will not accomplish anything.
Corrupt Washington has made a deal with the one company that is more expensive.
EPA rejects Texas plan to cut haze-causing pollution from coal plants Dallas Morning News
Opposition strong for proposed EPA regs - Arizona Range News News

The goal is to shut them down.

Cleaning up distant polluters to improve regional haze is a decades-long process, but critics of Texas’ plan focused on a state timetable that suggested it would take as long as 141 years from now. The TCEQ calculated that it would achieve “reasonable, natural clarity” at Guadalupe Mountains by 2081 and at Big Bend by 2155.

“Waiting more than a century until 2155, as TCEQ proposed to do to return clear skies, is simply unacceptable,” Cyrus Reed, acting director of the Sierra Club’s Texas chapter, said in a statement.​

Texas wants to keep on polluting the skies of other states for the next 144 years?

Barbara Warren, a physician, talked about the thousands of tons of nitrous oxide the three plants release in the air every year. “Pollution from these three plants contributes to $314 million in health costs in Arizona every year,” Warren said. The pollution causes cardiovascular disease and asthma in children, she added. Warren urged the EPA to enforce its pollution control proposal, calling the three facilities “antiquated toxic coal plants.”​

It is costing the state of AZ $300+ million in healthcare costs but the filters only cost $200 million?

You believe that coal should have the right to harm the health and tourist industries without any restrictions?

Do you have hard evidence that proves your alternative filter is as effective and long lasting?

BTW why is Texas one of the largest wind energy states in the nation? Because the utilities in TX know that coal is dirty and expensive and that they can do better with natural gas and wind power instead.

 

[peach174]

All the links I see point to state departments. Nothing at all about the federal EPA.

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

The first link is the EPA rules and I bet you did not read them.
The Farm Ranch Guide is not a bloggers site.
It's a ag publication

I am familiar for CFR regulations because I have worked with them most of my life. I can quote some of them off by heart. I don't need to read through them all to understand how they apply.

The blog article you pointed to was not specific to the topic that WW and I are discussing and therefore irrelevant. WW said that farmers would get into trouble building a pond. Nothing in that article refers to ponds. Instead it refers to existing wetlands and areas that fall under the jurisdiction of seasonal wetlands.

EPA rules does come under ponds.
EPA rules 8216 Waters of the U.S. 8217 threatens all private property Northern Colorado Gazette
The EPA argues that even tributaries which are man-made could fall under EPA authority, this includes ponds, canals, impoundments and ditches. The basis for the EPA to claim permitting authority over any property through which water flows, has flowed in the past, or could flow in the future is the determination by the EPA that if the water was, did, or could flow in such a manner as to have a significant nexus to traditional navigable waters. However, the meaning of “significant nexus” is unclear.

Wyoming welder faces 75 000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property Fox News

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

The EPA has forced the coal plants to use their very expensive coal filter for all coal plants. Cost between 160- 200 million. That is passed on to the customers.
That tells me that Washington D.C congress has done a deal with the company that makes the coal filter.
Texas and here in Cochise Az. we have a better more efficient coal filter and the cost is 21 million here at our plant in AZ., but the EPA is refusing any of the better type coal filters.
They refused to listen to us at their meeting and closed all discussions about it.
Ron Barber got them to open up negations again but I doubt it will help and will not accomplish anything.
Corrupt Washington has made a deal with the one company that is more expensive.
EPA rejects Texas plan to cut haze-causing pollution from coal plants Dallas Morning News
Opposition strong for proposed EPA regs - Arizona Range News News

The goal is to shut them down.

Cleaning up distant polluters to improve regional haze is a decades-long process, but critics of Texas’ plan focused on a state timetable that suggested it would take as long as 141 years from now. The TCEQ calculated that it would achieve “reasonable, natural clarity” at Guadalupe Mountains by 2081 and at Big Bend by 2155.

“Waiting more than a century until 2155, as TCEQ proposed to do to return clear skies, is simply unacceptable,” Cyrus Reed, acting director of the Sierra Club’s Texas chapter, said in a statement.​

Texas wants to keep on polluting the skies of other states for the next 144 years?

Barbara Warren, a physician, talked about the thousands of tons of nitrous oxide the three plants release in the air every year. “Pollution from these three plants contributes to $314 million in health costs in Arizona every year,” Warren said. The pollution causes cardiovascular disease and asthma in children, she added. Warren urged the EPA to enforce its pollution control proposal, calling the three facilities “antiquated toxic coal plants.”​

It is costing the state of AZ $300+ million in healthcare costs but the filters only cost $200 million?

You believe that coal should have the right to harm the health and tourist industries without any restrictions?

Do you have hard evidence that proves your alternative filter is as effective and long lasting?

BTW why is Texas one of the largest wind energy states in the nation? Because the utilities in TX know that coal is dirty and expensive and that they can do better with natural gas and wind power instead.

ROFLMNAO!

Again... IF humanity were stripped of the means to apply straw reasoning, the Ideological Left would vanish in that instant.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

Thank you for admitting that you could not cite a single instance of any industry that has been "killed" by the EPA.

Coal has been in decline for decades now.

But being a racist you will dredge up any excuse to blame Obama even though the decline of the coal industry has been happening since your beloved St Reagan was in office.

So once again you provide absolutely nothing of any value except lies and insults.

That is only West Virginia and Kentucky you moron. Do you even look at the shit you post?

Oy vey.....


Deri-girl....

 

[WelfareQueen]

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

The EPA has forced the coal plants to use their very expensive coal filter for all coal plants. Cost between 160- 200 million. That is passed on to the customers.
That tells me that Washington D.C congress has done a deal with the company that makes the coal filter.
Texas and here in Cochise Az. we have a better more efficient coal filter and the cost is 21 million here at our plant in AZ., but the EPA is refusing any of the better type coal filters.
They refused to listen to us at their meeting and closed all discussions about it.
Ron Barber got them to open up negations again but I doubt it will help and will not accomplish anything.
Corrupt Washington has made a deal with the one company that is more expensive.
EPA rejects Texas plan to cut haze-causing pollution from coal plants Dallas Morning News
Opposition strong for proposed EPA regs - Arizona Range News News

The goal is to shut them down.

Cleaning up distant polluters to improve regional haze is a decades-long process, but critics of Texas’ plan focused on a state timetable that suggested it would take as long as 141 years from now. The TCEQ calculated that it would achieve “reasonable, natural clarity” at Guadalupe Mountains by 2081 and at Big Bend by 2155.

“Waiting more than a century until 2155, as TCEQ proposed to do to return clear skies, is simply unacceptable,” Cyrus Reed, acting director of the Sierra Club’s Texas chapter, said in a statement.​

Texas wants to keep on polluting the skies of other states for the next 144 years?

Barbara Warren, a physician, talked about the thousands of tons of nitrous oxide the three plants release in the air every year. “Pollution from these three plants contributes to $314 million in health costs in Arizona every year,” Warren said. The pollution causes cardiovascular disease and asthma in children, she added. Warren urged the EPA to enforce its pollution control proposal, calling the three facilities “antiquated toxic coal plants.”​

It is costing the state of AZ $300+ million in healthcare costs but the filters only cost $200 million?

You believe that coal should have the right to harm the health and tourist industries without any restrictions?

Do you have hard evidence that proves your alternative filter is as effective and long lasting?

BTW why is Texas one of the largest wind energy states in the nation? Because the utilities in TX know that coal is dirty and expensive and that they can do better with natural gas and wind power instead.

ROFLMNAO!

Again... IF humanity were stripped of the means to apply straw reasoning, the Ideological Left would vanish in that instant.

It's fucking painful. Deri-girl must literally have a brain the size of a peanut.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I'll find some and post them up for you later.

EPA makes the rules, then the States have to comply with them.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio...s/proposed_regulatory_wus_text_40cfr230_0.pdf

What do the proposed EPA rules really mean

“Ditches— the rule regulates ditches as tributaries. EPA claims that the rule would exclude ditches, but the so-called ditch exclusion only covers ditches dug entirely in uplands. The rule doesn’t define uplands (so much for clarity), True- look up what it actually says in the first link.

Bloggers have opinions.

The onus is on you to prove that the EPA rules are the problem and not the local State DEP rules.

The first link is the EPA rules and I bet you did not read them.
The Farm Ranch Guide is not a bloggers site.
It's a ag publication

I am familiar for CFR regulations because I have worked with them most of my life. I can quote some of them off by heart. I don't need to read through them all to understand how they apply.

The blog article you pointed to was not specific to the topic that WW and I are discussing and therefore irrelevant. WW said that farmers would get into trouble building a pond. Nothing in that article refers to ponds. Instead it refers to existing wetlands and areas that fall under the jurisdiction of seasonal wetlands.

EPA rules does come under ponds.
EPA rules 8216 Waters of the U.S. 8217 threatens all private property Northern Colorado Gazette
The EPA argues that even tributaries which are man-made could fall under EPA authority, this includes ponds, canals, impoundments and ditches. The basis for the EPA to claim permitting authority over any property through which water flows, has flowed in the past, or could flow in the future is the determination by the EPA that if the water was, did, or could flow in such a manner as to have a significant nexus to traditional navigable waters. However, the meaning of “significant nexus” is unclear.

Wyoming welder faces 75 000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property Fox News

The first article is undated and I would appreciate if you could please provide one because it needs that context.

The second appears to be conflict between what the state of WY permits and the EPA. If the state is out of compliance then the EPA needs to deal with them first.

 

[peach174]

The conservatives had their way. They would do away with the EPA and all regulations. So that America would be just like China.

Inside Beijing's airpocalypse – a city made 'almost uninhabitable' by pollution

Who is asking to do away with the EPA? Typical Liberal strawman bullshit.

There is a middle ground between protecting the environment and killing industry. Stop being a retard.

Name the industries that have been "killed" by EPA regulations.

Coal. Thousands have lost their jobs and coal production is down over twenty percent under Obama.

When Obama campaigned in my State (Virginia) in 2008 he stated he fully supported the coal industry and would work to advance "clean coal technology."

Yet another fucking Obama lie. He and the EPA are doing everything in their power to shut down coal production.


Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA



***EDIT***


And don't be a stupid douche bag again. If people actually provide a link look at it before you make an idiot of yourself. The above is data from the Federal Government.

The EPA has forced the coal plants to use their very expensive coal filter for all coal plants. Cost between 160- 200 million. That is passed on to the customers.
That tells me that Washington D.C congress has done a deal with the company that makes the coal filter.
Texas and here in Cochise Az. we have a better more efficient coal filter and the cost is 21 million here at our plant in AZ., but the EPA is refusing any of the better type coal filters.
They refused to listen to us at their meeting and closed all discussions about it.
Ron Barber got them to open up negations again but I doubt it will help and will not accomplish anything.
Corrupt Washington has made a deal with the one company that is more expensive.
EPA rejects Texas plan to cut haze-causing pollution from coal plants Dallas Morning News
Opposition strong for proposed EPA regs - Arizona Range News News

The goal is to shut them down.

Cleaning up distant polluters to improve regional haze is a decades-long process, but critics of Texas’ plan focused on a state timetable that suggested it would take as long as 141 years from now. The TCEQ calculated that it would achieve “reasonable, natural clarity” at Guadalupe Mountains by 2081 and at Big Bend by 2155.

“Waiting more than a century until 2155, as TCEQ proposed to do to return clear skies, is simply unacceptable,” Cyrus Reed, acting director of the Sierra Club’s Texas chapter, said in a statement.​

Texas wants to keep on polluting the skies of other states for the next 144 years?

Barbara Warren, a physician, talked about the thousands of tons of nitrous oxide the three plants release in the air every year. “Pollution from these three plants contributes to $314 million in health costs in Arizona every year,” Warren said. The pollution causes cardiovascular disease and asthma in children, she added. Warren urged the EPA to enforce its pollution control proposal, calling the three facilities “antiquated toxic coal plants.”​

It is costing the state of AZ $300+ million in healthcare costs but the filters only cost $200 million?

You believe that coal should have the right to harm the health and tourist industries without any restrictions?

Do you have hard evidence that proves your alternative filter is as effective and long lasting?

BTW why is Texas one of the largest wind energy states in the nation? Because the utilities in TX know that coal is dirty and expensive and that they can do better with natural gas and wind power instead.

I live here and there is no regional haze.
What the EPA is saying is regional haze is from our fires.
That's 200 million for each plant and would be around 800 million.
Your 2nd to last question makes no sense if our power plant has a more efficient filter.
Yes they had hard facts and tests that proved our APECO filter is better and lasts longer at the meeting.
I believe that people should have a reasonable cost to power our homes.