This 14th Amendment thing is going to be a real hypocrisy check

[Toronado3800]

Sometimes I really hate the Donald. Every so often I agree with him. At the very least he has been VERY entertaining.

In my opinion anyone who calls themselves Conservative can't be for this 14th Amendment Executive Order idea.

Not saying repealing it is a good or bad thing but at some point you have to do it the right way.

So yeah, liberal Republicans.....I have been saying the R's are for big government for some time. Guess they're just gonna have to admit to being liberal now also?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It should come as no surprise that conservatives have no problem with politicians and unelected bureaucrats deciding who is nor isn’t a citizen, who will or will not have his civil rights.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Soo it looks like you two might be heading back to Mexico..


See ya



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[JGalt]

Sometimes I really hate the Donald. Every so often I agree with him. At the very least he has been VERY entertaining.

In my opinion anyone who calls themselves Conservative can't be for this 14th Amendment Executive Order idea.

Not saying repealing it is a good or bad thing but at some point you have to do it the right way.

So yeah, liberal Republicans.....I have been saying the R's are for big government for some time. Guess they're just gonna have to admit to being liberal now also?

I agree. We never should have changed the Constitution to let those people vote.

 

[leftwinger]

Most dont want to support 3mil extra beaners per year and their chain migrants out of our earnings.. Simple.

 

[JGalt]

It should come as no surprise that conservatives have no problem with politicians and unelected bureaucrats deciding who is nor isn’t a citizen, who will or will not have his civil rights.

Since when? Are you saying that we are no longer accepting applications for citizenship in this country?

When did that take place?

 

[Toronado3800]

Most dont want to support 3mil extra beaners per year and their chain migrants out of our earnings.. Simple.

beaners lol.

Why look at it with a longer term perspective. No one wanted to let the shanty Irish in. Even THEY turned out ok lol

 

[Hossfly]

Most dont want to support 3mil extra beaners per year and their chain migrants out of our earnings.. Simple.

beaners lol.

Why look at it with a longer term perspective. No one wanted to let the shanty Irish in. Even THEY turned out ok lol

Maybe so but the Irish and others entered the country with a visa, a quarantine with a complete medical exam and sponsorship to show they would have financial support and a job. They also had to agree they wouldn't be a burden on the government. They didn't sneak into the country with all sorts of diseases or criminal backgrounds and expect the government to support them. Unlike progressive socialist democrat pukes, conservatives expect the beaners to be law abiding.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Joann Stubbs]

Sometimes I really hate the Donald. Every so often I agree with him. At the very least he has been VERY entertaining.

In my opinion anyone who calls themselves Conservative can't be for this 14th Amendment Executive Order idea.

Not saying repealing it is a good or bad thing but at some point you have to do it the right way.

So yeah, liberal Republicans.....I have been saying the R's are for big government for some time. Guess they're just gonna have to admit to being liberal now also?

He is forcing the matter in to the High Court so that it can be put in to focus and if needed be rewritten by Congress. No a bad move.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Laying Down The Social Civil Contract Membership Line "

* Basics Explaining *

He is forcing the matter in to the High Court so that it can be put in to focus and if needed be rewritten by Congress. No a bad move.

The us 14th does not need to be rewritten for the us to deny citizenship to children of illegal migrants .

The clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " is intentional and sufficient not to provide children of illegal with us citizenship , as the parents are not " subjects " in any old english understanding .

The closest the courts have come to making a decision on this issue is that they have granted citizenship to a child born of chinese nationals , while they were in the us on a work visa , hence they were subjects .

At issue , is that the us state department needs to ensure that countries of the mother origin grant citizenship to the child , because people without a nation of origin would result in a terrible humanitarian issue , and if the countries do not then take action to ensure that they do .

The family separation issue would disappear ,where the child is not required to be deported with the parents but they can take it if they wish .

Not granting us citizenship to a child of an illegal would remove the incentive to collect ssi on their to be citizen child based upon their own income , since they have not been due processed out of the country , that surmounts to a hefty chunk of change relative with the income they could acquire from the country of origin .

* Pro-Choice *

The 14th amendment and citizenship by birth is the underpin of the roe v wade decision and there is no way to overturn that decision other than to overturn the 14th amendment and a 2/3 majority will be aware of that and an attempt to change the 14th amendment would mean that the need to deny citizenship to children of illegals would go nowhere .

US 14th Amendment Establishes Negative Liberty of Individuals to Acquire Abortion

Blackmun, Roe V. Wade, "Logically, of course, a legitimate state interest in this area need not stand or fall on acceptance of the belief that life begins at conception or at some other point prior to live birth." .

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

 

[Skylar]

" Laying Down The Social Civil Contract Membership Line "

* Basics Explaining *

He is forcing the matter in to the High Court so that it can be put in to focus and if needed be rewritten by Congress. No a bad move.

The us 14th does not need to be rewritten for the us to deny citizenship to children of illegal migrants .

The clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " is intentional and sufficient not to provide children of illegal with us citizenship , as the parents are not " subjects " in any old english understanding .

Nonsense. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof merely means that they are subject to the laws of our country. Hostile armies holding US land or ambassadors wouldn't qualify. As they are not subject to ourl laws. Everyone else most definitely is subject to the jurisdiction of our laws.

The idea that illegals aren't subject to the US laws is disproven by any illegal in jail for any reason. If they werren't subject to our laws, we couldn't arrest them. If they were beyond the jurisdiction of our laws, no penalty could ever be applied to them.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Hubris Of Opportunistic Exploits "

* Courts Will Decide Status Of Thwarted Non Sense *

Nonsense. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof merely means that they are subject to the laws of our country. Hostile armies holding US land or ambassadors wouldn't qualify. As they are not subject to ourl laws. Everyone else most definitely is subject to the jurisdiction of our laws.

The idea that illegals aren't subject to the US laws is disproven by any illegal in jail for any reason. If they werren't subject to our laws, we couldn't arrest them. If they were beyond the jurisdiction of our laws, no penalty could ever be applied to them.

As illegal migrants did not seek legal status , they did not categorically subject themselves to us jurisdiction , in fact they have subverted that jurisdiction , and hence are not categorically entitled to equal protection and definitely not to equal endowment - either for social subsistence or for citizenship , and that includes their offspring .

As much as the left wing , secular humanism psychosis , will attempt to fight this , the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " is there for a specific reason that includes excluding the offspring of illegal migrants from citizenship .

* The Actual Way Of The World *

Ultimately , when one travels abroad without permission , it is their own government which is responsible for reprising a violation of civil wrights for their citizens , such that should harm come to an illegal migrant , the government via a consulate would petition the foreign government to prosecute a perpetrator or extradite a perpetrator , which the foreign government may comply with or reject .

Prior to the foundation of a social civil contract for citizens with protected wrights , according to a constitution , individuals are bound only by natural freedoms , that is moral relativism .

Further , all those not citizen members , or not permitted subjects within jurisdiction - thereby not entitled to equal protection , remain subject to natural freedoms by the state .

Thus , an ability to apply a penalty has nothing to do with being a subject of jurisdiction , as a subject of jurisdiction inclusively , and realistically , expects compliance with a statute as legal migrants .

Categorical proposition - Wikipedia
In logic, a categorical proposition, or categorical statement, is a proposition that asserts or denies that all or some of the members of one category (the subject term) are included in another (the predicate term).[1]

 

[Mike Dwight]

Anything funny about the 14th Amendment being a War Time Amendment? The 2nd and 3rd sections are about government officials who left for the confederacy or "rebellion" not being allowed back in office. the 4rth section is to state the Union war debts as unquestionable. So the only Section of the 14th Amendment of political and social interest to us today is:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I'd like to note several things. Did you know the Civil War was going to be averted by the Constitution Party. The Constitution provides for servitudes and compromises. The Constitution would bring the Northand South together. Its the longest lasting Constitution of any importance in the world, I've heard? The 14th Amendment 1st Clause, by European Observation, is Uniquely American . No one else has this unique political stance of Birth Citizenship. Kind of explains to me how after the war, the privileges and reasoning was extended to blacks so quickly, come on back Home to Dixie in the arms of your ol' mommy. I guess sort of inherent in that is the baseline privileges of a US citizenship over how you normally treat your neighbors.

Monk-Eye
Its all Agreements, I don't know anything set in stone. For example, a large outcry for the 1900 Asia was most treaties with European powers forced extraterritoriality, meaning a European judge would have to come or prosecute crimes in those countries involving Europeans, which never happens. Unequal Treaties made "Fair Treaties" pretty rare. No opium.

Heck I'm in my 30s and I haven't been to vote, haven't been on jury, or ran, and the originating Roman Citizenship is naturally going to reduce lineages or useful foreign identifications. We have multitudes of presidents talk down the New concept. The British world goes on with Aborigines, British Australians, some places don't have participation politics. Some Places like North Korea, sure what big thing to be a citizen! Everyone pitches in! Everyone votes! Everyone , its 100% democratic! Everyone show up to vote for the great leader! All made up word-twisting metrics too. Sorry to say it sickens me to watch Republic of Korea TV and somebody left their mandatory army duty for the United States and they're instantly referred to as "American" in Korean. Ya so being American is this set of ideals people memorize... jump over to being lazy and having no responsibilities, sounds good. They started tracking that "American" ethnicity across the south starting in the 80's. Like don't be "racist", I thought we were past this. "Yankees get out" in front of the army base protests . Like ya, go Dixie, no more 55 days in Peking stealing the Chinese women.

Give me your unable to speak English, your uneducated, your poor, did you see that people applying to be citizens, Brain Drain mechanics. Immigration Act of 1965 now your doctor isn't even German! Wunderbar! How is it that a 100% totally Southern Dixie President Woodrow Wilson, talks up and bolsters to the German American's loyalties through all of World War 1, then in one gap New Yorker Theodore Roosevelt comes in, says, see his war on "hyphen americans"? You have divided loyalty if you are a "German American" and there are only "americans"? They're the ones listing all the ethnicities up there on the census, they look like a kaleidoscope. oops irish just took Bronx, I don't know. I don't know what that "dagger in the heart" line from Wilson was, when he claimed American Revolution ancestry, a "second Washington" , and not only that, himself is from the line of Ulster-Scots that he is proud of that led foremost as an Ulster Scot in the nation.

 

[Mike Dwight]

And Woodrow Wilson keeping the Cambodians out of the Factory Fires the first day they ever try to look for female Work. For Women?! Alma Gluck hit the soprano soprano notes. rappin' rappin. Mr. Wilson, that's all. Sweet Vengeance for the comfort women, because a Romanian got a singing career. Iswe Going back to Dixie. You like to sewing company for father our of prison if you go to New Tokyo, America, because we be nice to you then, go to Tokyo. Pol Pot Nationalism will not be stopped. Greatest Angkor Wat period, communism , money outlawed, no cities, get a farm. The Nation has brought back the Democrat party for a specific purpose, the broken spirits of men women and children, under fat new York bankers hail Pol Pot and Communism, also world war 1 I was elected yes, that was it, and don't forget the republican bull-moose party split! a Shirtwaist Coat is falling out of fashion, it burns women, its reminiscent of carpet baggers, we want the new thin lines of the roaring 20's and Flappers