Thinking Ahead.....tuition Free Higher Education

[ClosedCaption]

All you have to do is simply look where the US is compared to other nations in education and also the number of foreigners recruited to work in US companies because Americans dont have that level of education unless they are crushed like an ant under debt...which makes it that much harder to get ahead.

Americans are also not hand selected at the age of 14 to participate in a Pre University Education program that grooms them to enter the State University system.

Would you be OK with this?

If not, then your comparisons are "fucking silly ass."

Wasnt it you who said you would like to evaluate the process and see what works for America? You act like we have to take everything they do no matter what.

Its the same reheated garbage from the ACA debate. We dont HAVE to do EVERYTHING they do and HOW they do it

 

[psikeyhackr]

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Don't expect it from professional educators though. Talking about JOBS for decades but cannot suggest mandatory accounting. Isn't MONEY the objective of a JOB. So what do people do with MONEY after they get it? Isn't that just as important as the JOBS.

Or is the purpose of education to produce a lot of SUCKERS who can be used?

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[Darkwind]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Because more people with degrees that don't get them well paying jobs is a good idea????

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Why do we need plumbers and IT guys with degrees in basketweaving?

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Great idea in theory, but dunno about in practice. Any studies comparing quality of education between for-profit vs free?

Just because Liberty University is a university, doesn't mean you'll get an education there.

Um yeah, there are stats. I think the (for profit) university of Phoenix's graduation rate is 22%.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Online schools aren't quite what I was thinking.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Willful ignorance.

Thanks for the admission.

It will be the first step towards your recovery from Pitiful Stupidity.

I am guessing that you know how lame that is. To try and use another's comment like that is just tired USMB nutter shit. It is done so often here.....and is such a weak attempt to insult someone.....that you ought to know better.

As you typed that, were you a little embarrassed? You must have been.

 

[Samson]

All you have to do is simply look where the US is compared to other nations in education and also the number of foreigners recruited to work in US companies because Americans dont have that level of education unless they are crushed like an ant under debt...which makes it that much harder to get ahead.

Americans are also not hand selected at the age of 14 to participate in a Pre University Education program that grooms them to enter the State University system.

Would you be OK with this?

If not, then your comparisons are "fucking silly ass."

Wasnt it you who said you would like to evaluate the process and see what works for America? You act like we have to take everything they do no matter what.

Its the same reheated garbage from the ACA debate. We dont HAVE to do EVERYTHING they do and HOW they do it

Ok I'll accept that.

I think Hawaii would be a useful place to experiment because they already have a State-Run school system. Let's have them create a test that divides students at age 14 into two groups. One group will go to University for Free. The other group will learn how to Harvest Pine Apples, or whatever the ignorant class does in Hawaii.

Um.......no affirmative action, of course, because they don't have this in Europe.

I hope a lot of Native Hawaiians Pass The Test, otherwise this little experiment will get much more interesting than we expected.

 

[Esmeralda]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Sounds like Socialism

Higher education should be reserved for those who can afford it....it is the American way

These folks who think free higher education is wrong are fools. All countries with free higher education have a better educated, more sane society. Everyone should have the opportunity for higher education.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Because more people with degrees that don't get them well paying jobs is a good idea????

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Why do we need plumbers and IT guys with degrees in basketweaving?

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Yes there is. If you cannot find them employment up to the level of their education, its a waste, they feel underutilized, underpaid, and you end up with conflict.

Unlike the conflict now right? I mean heres the two sides:

1. Take out student loans and everyone who wants a better education is crushed with debt but they are educated. Those will be the job creators if they can get free from debt.
or
2. Students go for free, not crushed by loans and even if they dont find something in their field they still wont be ass raped by loans. Additionally, those will be the future job creators

If the education was only directed towards knowledge society needs it would be one thing, but we can only have so many marketing, womyn's studies, and communications majors.

I notice you keep skipping over all the other majors as if every major is a waste. What we are talking about here is not WHAT IS A SMART MAJOR. We're talking about the benefit of having a better educated public.

I swear this is a fucking silly ass topic. "Whats so good about a better educated citizenry?"

What's silly is committing resources to anything without knowing the benefits.

How much will it cost to offer free university "education" in the USA?

Its an investment and what we do know is that the current system is crushing people under massive debt. You seriously couldnt argue that is a better system.

How much will this grow our standard of living?

1 leap and 1 bound

Go ahead and demonstrate that we have answers to these questions based on any example, then we can have an intelligent discussion.

Until then you're right, "this is a fucking silly ass topic."

You think your ability to ask questions adds anything to the topic? You can ask questions all day btu what you cant do is argue why the current system is working for us according to stats and facts.

When will it be? Where would it be? Whos going to go? What are they going to take? blah blah blah

Anyone who wants to be better educated can do it for free or nearly so already. There is no need to incur more public debt for that which is already free.

 

[Samson]

r

Willful ignorance.

Thanks for the admission.

It will be the first step towards your recovery from Pitiful Stupidity.

I am guessing that you know how lame that is. To try and use another's comment like that is just tired USMB nutter shit. It is done so often here.....and is such a weak attempt to insult someone.....that you ought to know better.

As you typed that, were you a little embarrassed? You must have been.

No, but your reply, filled with blithering stupidity confirming everyone's expectations is satisfactory.

Bravo, please continue to dance, monkey.

 

[Samson]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Sounds like Socialism

Higher education should be reserved for those who can afford it....it is the American way

These folks who think free higher education is wrong are fools. All countries with free higher education have a better educated, more sane society. Everyone should have the opportunity for higher education.

You're supposed to be some sort of example.......

 

[ClosedCaption]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Because more people with degrees that don't get them well paying jobs is a good idea????

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Why do we need plumbers and IT guys with degrees in basketweaving?

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

 

[martybegan]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

Sounds like Socialism

Higher education should be reserved for those who can afford it....it is the American way

These folks who think free higher education is wrong are fools. All countries with free higher education have a better educated, more sane society. Everyone should have the opportunity for higher education.

Education for its own sake is a waste of time for 90% of the population, because it removes them from the workforce at a time when they can be their most productive/energetic.

 

[Samson]

Anyone who wants to be better educated can do it for free or nearly so already. There is no need to incur more public debt for that which is already free.

So, all these 17 and 18 year olds that are applying for colleges, should just "do it for free?"

Its astonishing that practically everyone in the entire world has not arrived at the same conclusion you have discovered.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Samson]

Because more people with degrees that don't get them well paying jobs is a good idea????

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Why do we need plumbers and IT guys with degrees in basketweaving?

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

 

[Darkwind]

Because more people with degrees that don't get them well paying jobs is a good idea????

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Why do we need plumbers and IT guys with degrees in basketweaving?

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

So you cannot follow a conversation either.

Well, good luck to you.

 

[ClosedCaption]

More people with education is always a good idea. Well paying jobs isnt their fault now is it...Sounds like an argument to raise wages oooorrrrrr complain about low wages and be PRO keeping those wages low

Nice fucking strawman there.

There is literally no down side to a more educated public.

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

 

[Darkwind]

It is amazing to Me the lack of thought people put into blanket statements like, “There is no downside to more education." Particularly when their idea of an ‘education’ is nothing more than a diploma.

What is the value of a high school diploma today? The answer is readily apparent in today’s job market. There is a little value to a high school diploma. That is because they are so common as to be worthless.

When people talk about other nations enacting programs to educate everyone, and then want to apply it to this nation, they really are doing the entire nation, and the world, a disservice.

Not everyone is cut out for higher education. Not everyone wants a higher education.

In America, we treat our children’s education programs in exactly the wrong way. We try to pigeon-hole every child into a path that some moron (read that to mean educator) thinks is best for them all.

What we need is an aptitude test for our children. We need to do that at a very early age. We need to find those things that they have a singular intense focus on, and cultivate that budding passion.

Some children will grow up with an intense desire to work with their hands. They may love the entire concept of aircraft engines and flight, and they WANT to be involved in that. Or some kids will want to practice auto engine repair, or maybe even auto design.

Some may have a driving need to figure out how the Universe works.

Some may want to understand how things work, like bridges, or roads, or how ships can move through ocean waves that would normally sink a lesser vessel.

Some may want to know what human kind has done in the past and want to know how that applies to why we behave the way we do today.

In other words, we need to means test for our children for their skill levels and passion, and use the results of that test to determine what the best course is for them.

Not everyone will need to have a higher education to achieve their passion.

Right now, we can barely get our kids to communicate using written language, or to do more than rudimentary mathematics, and the extent of their knowledge of science is grounded in biology of the opposite sex, and precious little else.

How about a smarter education system, and a rudimentary education for all, just as a start?

 

[martybegan]

One thing that everyone forgets is that not everyone can get into universities in Europe.

In order to enter university, students are, as a rule, required to have passed the Abitur examination; since 2009, however, those with a Meisterbrief (master craftsman's diploma) have also been able to apply.[5][6] Those wishing to attend a "university of applied sciences" must, as a rule, have Abitur, Fachhochschulreife, or a Meisterbrief. Lacking those qualifications, pupils are eligible to enter a university or university of applied sciences if they can present additional proof that they will be able to keep up with their fellow students through a Begabtenprüfung or Hochbegabtenstudium (which is a test confirming excellence and above average intellectual ability).

 

[LoneLaugher]

r

Willful ignorance.

Thanks for the admission.

It will be the first step towards your recovery from Pitiful Stupidity.

I am guessing that you know how lame that is. To try and use another's comment like that is just tired USMB nutter shit. It is done so often here.....and is such a weak attempt to insult someone.....that you ought to know better.

As you typed that, were you a little embarrassed? You must have been.

No, but your reply, filled with blithering stupidity confirming everyone's expectations is satisfactory.

Bravo, please continue to dance, monkey.

Oh.....it's that other tired USMB nutter tactic.

Continue addressing someone in post after post.....and then exclaim that you are their puppet master because they continue to slam your stupidity in your face.