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wade said:Your argument is flawed. You point at the US democracy as, pretty much, your sole example of a successful democracy. Look at how many have failed!
It was the unique circumstances of being on a realtively unihabited continent rich in resources and having a diverse ethinic population, that allowed the US democracy to establish itself and flourish. If the USA had been born in Europe, particularly in 1917 Russia, it would have failed too.
The problem with democracies in an established society are that they have no means of redressing past wrongs or redistibuting wealth and property. If they do incorporate the means to do this, they also incorporate the very seeds of their own devolution into dictatorship. It takes two steps to get from an entrenched dictatorship (for instance a monarchy) to democracy, the first step requires land reform and wealth redistribution, followed by a period of about a generation of social recovery. Only then will a nation be ready for democracy.
Just watch in Iraq - our attempt to force democracy on them is going to fail. The only way to avoid this would be to institute some kind of forced land and wealth redistribution upon them, followed by a generation of education for all - but that is not going to happen.
Wade.
The values of individual responsibility made us great. The fact that strong individuals left an old overstructured europe to succeed based on their own merits and not according to the whims of an aristocratic church and state made us great.
Wealth redistribution is not an admirable goal.
Redressing past wrongs? Social recovery? You're a terminal kool aid drinker.
Socialism is stealing, covetousness run amok. Quit trying to infantilize society, daddy-o.