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wade said:No, what I am saying is that democracy cannot work with this generation of Iraqi's, because they don't want it. It is contrary to a lifetime of being taught the ways of the Qu'ran.
To be racist, I'd have to be saying it was genetics that made them unfit for democracy, I'm not. It is their culture that makes them extremely unlikely to accept democracy.
And I don't blame the Jews, I blame the Zionists for this whole mess. They just had to take back land they'd not owned for almost 2000 years in a part of the world where it was obvious they would not be accepted. If not for Israel being in Palastine this whole mess would not exist.
Wade.
theim said:Silly Jews, thinking they had a right to live in a tiny sliver of land in their ancestral homeland after the holocaust. If the Arabs hadn't tried to invade them then Isreal wouldn't have had to beat their asses and take Gaza and WB. I don't know what those Palestinians are all uptight about. It isn't like theres not another dozen theocratic Islamic dictatorships in that region for them to live in.
wade said:But that sliver of land was already occupied. Just because the Germans were evil to the Jews does not justify the Jews being evil to the Arabs.
They claim it is there ancestral home - but they really have no "proof". The Arabs living on the land however, did have proof, as they and their families had been living there for over 1000 years.
When someone comes and steals the lands that your family has been living on for 30+ generations and says "I don't know what you're all uptite about, there are pleanty of other places you can live" lets see how you respond.
Wade.
They claim it is there ancestral home - but they really have no "proof". The Arabs living on the land however, did have proof, as they and their families had been living there for over 1000 years.
wade said:Perhaps. Alternatively we could think forms of government that will be acceptable to the existing generation and allow the next generation to learn enough to desire democracy.
theim said:I don't know what those Palestinians are all uptight about. It isn't like theres not another dozen theocratic Islamic dictatorships in that region for them to live in.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/histcult.htmlZhukov said:Are you seriously saying you don't believe the jews were there first?
Zhukov said:Between the two.
dilloduck said:between the two tribes ? They are all Semitic. Pretty hard to make any differentiation.
dilloduck said:Pretty hard to make any differentiation.
I know of no way to settle land disputes other than by treaty between the two parties or a military victory.
Zhukov said:Between the jews and the so-called palestinians.
They don't seem to think so.
No argument there.
I'm wouldn't and didn't say being first entitles them to anything, I'm just saying that they were there before the moslems.
Zhukov said:Between the jews and the so-called palestinians.
I'm wouldn't and didn't say being first entitles them to anything, I'm just saying that they were there before the moslems.
rtwngAvngr said:well the jews have learned to live by the rules of every society they went to and done so quite well . The arabs stayed in one place and became ethnocentric and intolerant. So that's why I choose the jews.
dilloduck said:ok I gotcha---the Jewish religion was there first ! ( Didn't Judaism officially begin in Egypt )
wade said:But the Jews were not there "before the Arabs". The Arabs are, as best I can tell, decendants of the same peoples as the Jews, simply not descended from Abraham. Abrahman defined a new tribe and went his own way, leaving the rest of his tribe behind. That tribe later became what we now call the Arabs.
As for who was there first - it was the Ketamites (however it's spelled), who were there when the "chosen" were led by Moses to the "promised land", and who were wiped out man, woman, and child.
Zhukov said:No idea. I don't think that's the story.
That therefore makes the jews the first group of people there who are still extant, and therefore, logically, they were there before the so-called palestinians.
dilloduck said:Which would logically make the USA Indian Land
wade said:We also know that this is contrary to US stated policy concerning world borders after WWII - no change of borders by force is to be condoned.
My point is, the Jews have no proof they ever held the land. To have such proof, they have to be able to say, at the very least, "my relative so-and-so lived right here". They cannot do this. The claim is invalid in every legal respect!
gop_jeff said:Except for the fact that the UN sanctioned the creation of Israel. So it was legal, and not accomplished by force - except for the small invasion of Israel by 5 neighboring countries that got their asses kicked by the infant nation.
