thermite and high explosives

[daws101]

The WTC towers had undergone extensive work and renovations providing assess. So there could have been plenty of opportunities to use the elevator shafts, evacuations, special access floors, and power downs to access and plant devices
on the core columns of the Twin Towers.
Bad guys could, of course, have forged maintenance badges or otherwise piggybacked onto legitimate maintenance efforts.


There have been many conspiracies that have remained secret for long periods of time, like the Manhattan Project, 130,000 people and a cost of 2 billion.
Trying to say that because we can't exactly figure out when, who, or how it was done, automatically gives you the right to throw away the laws of physics is a fail at countering the science of the collapses.


Trillions of missing dollars, and some of the most powerful people behind the scenes will keep people quiet. Ever hear of the Northwoods Project, and how long that was kept quiet?
The fact is that the mass of the buildings, especially the lower parts that were more robust, should not have provided "minimal resistance" and just moved out of the way and succumb to the destruction in the short amount of time the towers fell in.
That part of the explanation that NIST was tasked with, has NOT been explained. They just say assume that the falling mass pulverizing the lower parts of the towers, was to be expected, physics and science and the law of conservation of momentum be damned.
Those massive structures should not have collapsed in the short amount of time that they did without some "help".
To say this doesn't matter because no one has confessed is an absurdity.

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Nice dodge, proving once again that you can't counter the claims of just how absurd the shit you believe really is.

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[Rat in the Hat]

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[daws101]

9/11 Debunked: "Molten Metal" Explained - YouTube

they hate that one!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Proof that 911twoofers are stupid and crazy.

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[daws101]

Proof that 911twoofers are stupid and crazy.

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[Mr. Jones]

most of the dust was gypsum wall board..

BS there was massive amounts of concrete that was pulverized.Many other compounds were found in it, including active thermitic material, iron spheres, and sulfur suggesting incendiary explosives. The sulfur in gypsum is not elemental Sulfur, but is bound as a sulfate (very difficult to reduce to suflur.) Gypsum is calcium sulfate dihydrate, not elemental sulfur. To break gypsum down into elemental sulfur requires a rather involved industrial process.

to answer the question: kinetic energy and a shifting load certainly does.

BS again. It has been shown that the lower more robust lower structures should have resisted the falling upper portion, instead of accelerating with NO resistance, pulverizing the massive steel column supports.
You seem to think it is ok to dismiss the physics involved, despite their being evidence that proves something other then gravity and kinetic energy was at work.
Low temp kerosene fires causing the total global collapse, while accelerating causing the mass to come down in 10-12 seconds , not once not twice...but 3 times in one day...And you actually believe this absurdity...

 

[daws101]

most of the dust was gypsum wall board..

BS there was massive amounts of concrete that was pulverized.Many other compounds were found in it, including active thermitic material, iron spheres, and sulfur suggesting incendiary explosives. The sulfur in gypsum is not elemental Sulfur, but is bound as a sulfate (very difficult to reduce to suflur.) Gypsum is calcium sulfate dihydrate, not elemental sulfur. To break gypsum down into elemental sulfur requires a rather involved industrial process.

to answer the question: kinetic energy and a shifting load certainly does.

BS again. It has been shown that the lower more robust lower structures should have resisted the falling upper portion, instead of accelerating with NO resistance, pulverizing the massive steel column supports.
You seem to think it is ok to dismiss the physics involved, despite their being evidence that proves something other then gravity and kinetic energy was at work.
Low temp kerosene fires causing the total global collapse, while accelerating causing the mass to come down in 10-12 seconds , not once not twice...but 3 times in one day...And you actually believe this absurdity...

 

[Mr. Jones]

Nano-engineered material. It is not possible that such a material was formed as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers.

So either Osama Bin Laden had a high-tech weapons lab in his cave in Afghanistan and his Al-Qaeda elites happened to be controlled demolition experts with unrestricted access to three of the most secure buildings in America or the official story is a complete fraud.

 

[daws101]

So either Osama Bin Laden had a high-tech weapons lab in his cave in Afghanistan and his Al-Qaeda elites happened to be controlled demolition experts with unrestricted access to three of the most secure buildings in America or the official story is a complete fraud.

 

[Mr. Jones]

This US Department of Defense journal from Spring, 2002 describes how:

“All of the military services and some DOE and academic laboratories have active R&D programs aimed at exploiting the unique properties of nanomaterials that have potential to be used in energetic formulations for advanced explosives.”


“new class of weaponry that uses energy-packed nanometals to create powerful, compact bombs.” Purdue professor Steven Son, who has become a leading expert on nanothermites, goes on to say that “Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times…resulting in a very rapid reactive wave…used in many applications, including…explosive devices.” The article says that such nanoenergetics enable “building more lethal weapons such as cave-buster bombs that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs.”

Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs. The secret ingredient: nanotechnology that makes for a bigger boom.

Military Reloads with Nanotech - Technology Review

“Nanoenergetic thermite materials release energy much faster than conventional energetic materials and have various potential military applications such as… explosives. They are likely to become the next-generation explosive materials.”

Development of High-Efficient Nanoenergetic Gas-Generators


Although the authors do not address the broader issue of the 9/11 attacks, their findings have a direct bearing on the likely causes of the collapse of the WTC buildings on September 11, 2001. The findings also question the validity of the official report of the 911 Commission.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

 

[daws101]

This US Department of Defense journal from Spring, 2002 describes how:

“All of the military services and some DOE and academic laboratories have active R&D programs aimed at exploiting the unique properties of nanomaterials that have potential to be used in energetic formulations for advanced explosives.”


“new class of weaponry that uses energy-packed nanometals to create powerful, compact bombs.” Purdue professor Steven Son, who has become a leading expert on nanothermites, goes on to say that “Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times…resulting in a very rapid reactive wave…used in many applications, including…explosive devices.” The article says that such nanoenergetics enable “building more lethal weapons such as cave-buster bombs that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs.”

Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs. The secret ingredient: nanotechnology that makes for a bigger boom.

Military Reloads with Nanotech - Technology Review

“Nanoenergetic thermite materials release energy much faster than conventional energetic materials and have various potential military applications such as… explosives. They are likely to become the next-generation explosive materials.”

Development of High-Efficient Nanoenergetic Gas-Generators


Although the authors do not address the broader issue of the 9/11 attacks, their findings have a direct bearing on the likely causes of the collapse of the WTC buildings on September 11, 2001. The findings also question the validity of the official report of the 911 Commission.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

still no evidence, just specious speculation.

It is one thing to note characteristics of nanoscale reactions; it is a whole other beast to assume those characteristics will translate to the macro scale. And even if you do that, what do you have? You have a fast thermite reaction. That is all. You still have the problems associated with thermite. And you still have a lack of characteristic results from such use.

 

[Mr. Jones]

This US Department of Defense journal from Spring, 2002 describes how:

“All of the military services and some DOE and academic laboratories have active R&D programs aimed at exploiting the unique properties of nanomaterials that have potential to be used in energetic formulations for advanced explosives.”


“new class of weaponry that uses energy-packed nanometals to create powerful, compact bombs.” Purdue professor Steven Son, who has become a leading expert on nanothermites, goes on to say that “Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times…resulting in a very rapid reactive wave…used in many applications, including…explosive devices.” The article says that such nanoenergetics enable “building more lethal weapons such as cave-buster bombs that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs.”

Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs. The secret ingredient: nanotechnology that makes for a bigger boom.

Military Reloads with Nanotech - Technology Review

“Nanoenergetic thermite materials release energy much faster than conventional energetic materials and have various potential military applications such as… explosives. They are likely to become the next-generation explosive materials.”

Development of High-Efficient Nanoenergetic Gas-Generators


Although the authors do not address the broader issue of the 9/11 attacks, their findings have a direct bearing on the likely causes of the collapse of the WTC buildings on September 11, 2001. The findings also question the validity of the official report of the 911 Commission.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

still no evidence, just specious speculation.

It is one thing to note characteristics of nanoscale reactions; it is a whole other beast to assume those characteristics will translate to the macro scale. And even if you do that, what do you have? You have a fast thermite reaction. That is all. You still have the problems associated with thermite. And you still have a lack of characteristic results from such use.

You're an idiot. This is proof that the material found in the dust and written about in a peer reviewed paper, likely was not manufactured by the people accused of "masterminding" the 9-11 attacks, and further discredits the position that "tons" of regular thermite would have been needed.
The technology was available to use nanothermite as a means to facilitate the destruction of the WTC complex buildings, and it is highly unlikely that terrorists did it alone, or at all.
Unlike the NIST and OCT theory, this finding is factual and documented, and backed up by the links, which you obviously do not read.
It is so far the more plausible reason the towers fell at the speed that they did, producing the high temperatures documented in the rubble piles and attested to by numerous people.
Something assisted the destruction of the buildings, and the fact based findings of the material found in the dust, and combined with the visual evidence of the way the buildings quickly descended is the more plausible of explanations when compared to the jet fuel theory presented by the government and its agencies.

still no evidence, just specious speculation? That's a laugh, as there is evidence that is backed up by facts.

 

[daws101]

This US Department of Defense journal from Spring, 2002 describes how:

“All of the military services and some DOE and academic laboratories have active R&D programs aimed at exploiting the unique properties of nanomaterials that have potential to be used in energetic formulations for advanced explosives.”


“new class of weaponry that uses energy-packed nanometals to create powerful, compact bombs.” Purdue professor Steven Son, who has become a leading expert on nanothermites, goes on to say that “Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times…resulting in a very rapid reactive wave…used in many applications, including…explosive devices.” The article says that such nanoenergetics enable “building more lethal weapons such as cave-buster bombs that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs.”

Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs. The secret ingredient: nanotechnology that makes for a bigger boom.

Military Reloads with Nanotech - Technology Review

“Nanoenergetic thermite materials release energy much faster than conventional energetic materials and have various potential military applications such as… explosives. They are likely to become the next-generation explosive materials.”

Development of High-Efficient Nanoenergetic Gas-Generators


Although the authors do not address the broader issue of the 9/11 attacks, their findings have a direct bearing on the likely causes of the collapse of the WTC buildings on September 11, 2001. The findings also question the validity of the official report of the 911 Commission.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

still no evidence, just specious speculation.

It is one thing to note characteristics of nanoscale reactions; it is a whole other beast to assume those characteristics will translate to the macro scale. And even if you do that, what do you have? You have a fast thermite reaction. That is all. You still have the problems associated with thermite. And you still have a lack of characteristic results from such use.

You're an idiot. This is proof that the material found in the dust and written about in a peer reviewed paper, likely was not manufactured by the people accused of "masterminding" the 9-11 attacks, and further discredits the position that "tons" of regular thermite would have been needed.
The technology was available to use nanothermite as a means to facilitate the destruction of the WTC complex buildings, and it is highly unlikely that terrorists did it alone, or at all.
Unlike the NIST and OCT theory, this finding is factual and documented, and backed up by the links, which you obviously do not read.
It is so far the more plausible reason the towers fell at the speed that they did, producing the high temperatures documented in the rubble piles and attested to by numerous people.
Something assisted the destruction of the buildings, and the fact based findings of the material found in the dust, and combined with the visual evidence of the way the buildings quickly descended is the more plausible of explanations when compared to the jet fuel theory presented by the government and its agencies.

still no evidence, just specious speculation? That's a laugh, as there is evidence that is backed up by facts that have yet to be refuted by any peer reviewed paper that counters the findings.

only in your mind. no evidence = no facts
Definition of FACT
1: a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact
: in truth

 

[daws101]

Was it Nanotech-Thermite or Phasers that took down the WTC?

By John Moffett

A recently published article in an online science journal has come to the conclusion that minute flakes of thermite have been identified in particle samples collected at the site of the World Trade Center collapse.

The article entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” was recently published in “The Open Chemical Physics Journal,” which is part of the Bentham Open Science Publishers group of journals.

Researchers from Denmark, the United States and Australia reported that dust samples collected near the collapsed World Trade Center complex contained iron oxide and aluminum flakes whose chemical composition was consistent with unburned thermite.

The researchers used a number of techniques to analyze the chips including scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).

The researchers used supposed samples of the dust that spread over lower Manhattan after the WTC buildings collapsed. Several samples that had been kept by residents for years as “souvenirs” of the disaster were given to the researchers between 2006 and 2008, many years after the disaster. This raises serious “chain of custody” issues for the evidence which would almost certainly preclude the samples from being used in a court of law. But assuming the samples were valid, there are many more serious issues with the work of this research group.

First, with regard to the idea that this work was published in a “peer reviewed scientific journal”, it should be noted that the Open Chemical Physics Journal is a pay-to-publish online-only journal that has published a total of 12 articles in its history. They have no track record, and no impact factor in the field. In essence, they are a vanity publisher for scientists who can’t get their work published anywhere else. To call them a peer-reviewed science journal is a real stretch.

Before I get into details about why this work is so poorly done, and why the interpretations of the researchers are so suspect, it is important to state that the thermite argument was put forward by these same researchers years ago, and the idea was fully debunked years ago. See for example here: http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf.

The researchers found unusual looking “red/grey chips” that could be collected with magnets in all of the WTC dust samples given to them. One particularly unusual finding in this research article was that the percentage of "red/gray chips" of supposedly "unreacted thermite" amounted to approximately 0.1% of the total mass of the collected dust. Assuming that most of the "thermite" would have burned when set off, and only a fraction remained unreacted, then the amount of 0.1% of the total dust is astounding. It translates to tens or even hundreds of thousands of tons (assuming many millions of tons of building materials total, see page 23, para 3 of the article).

It is no small coincidence that the major components that the researchers detected in the red and grey chips include iron, aluminum, oxygen, silica, and carbon, since these relate to the primary building materials that the WTC was constructed from. The girders were steel, which rusts to iron oxide, the façade was aluminum, and the floors were concrete. The traces of calcium and sulfur could easily be from wallboard (calcium sulfate), as the authors themselves conclude.

The chips that they analyzed were thin flakes, often only microns thick (a micron is 1/1000 of a millimeter). They all had a grey layer, and a red layer. The grey layers were said to be composed of iron oxide based on the X-ray dispersive spectroscopy, which seems somewhat unusual, since most iron oxide is red in color, not grey (one form of naturally occurring hematite is metallic grey). The red layer of the chips was said to be composed of carbon, with added iron, aluminum, silicon and oxygen, and lesser amounts of sodium, calcium, and potassium. This is not the composition of thermite.

X-ray dispersive spectroscopy can tell you what elements are in a sample, but not what molecules those elements are incorporated into. Any sample of dust from the WTC collapse would contain similar amounts of these elements because those are the primary elements that made up the steel superstructure, concrete flooring, aluminum facade and other building materials (not to mention the aluminum fuselage of the aircraft).

There is no thermite product on earth that is made up of thin sheets of grey layers of iron oxide and red layers of carbon with iron and aluminum oxides. In fact, to burn at high temperatures, thermite must contain large amounts of unoxidized aluminum, rather than aluminum oxide. The researchers did not determine if the aluminum present in their samples was oxidized aluminum, or unoxidized aluminum. The researchers get around the fact that their samples did not look like thermite under the microscope by suggesting that is was a form of "nanotechnology enhanced super-thermite". How could there have been tens of thousands of tons of "nanotechnology enhanced super-thermite" in these buildings?

The researchers also showed that the chips could be ignited, and that they burned at a lower temperature than normal thermite. This is of course not surprising since metals such as aluminum do burn if they are complexed with oxidizing agents, and are heated enough. Rust is an oxidizing agent if heated high enough, and is the oxidizing constituent of many types of thermite.

It is also important to note that thermite is not explosive, and it is difficult to ignite. It also often burns relatively slowly, and not uniformly, making it a very poor choice for building demolition. In building demolition, you need high explosive cutting charges that usually are carefully placed in holes drilled deep into the structures to be severed. Putting a thin coat of thermite onto a structural element, as suggested by the fact that all of the red/grey chips found in the dust samples were very thin flakes, would not result in the reliable cutting of support structures that would be required to bring the WTC down.

It is also interesting that when the red layer of the chips was analyzed by backscattered electron imaging, that the signals for iron and oxygen did not overlap well. If the material was thermite, the iron would be present almost exclusively as iron oxide, and the images for the iron atoms and oxygen atoms should have overlapped very well.

The two things that most Americans can agree on about 9/11 is that the official story is not credible, and that the Bush administration was hiding something. But that’s where agreement ends. Some people believe that explosive cutting charges were planted in the buildings, and detonated in sequence to bring the buildings down in their own footprints. Others believe that nanotechnology enhanced thermite was packed into the buildings, and that it was ignited to weaken the structures until they fell. Still others, like Dr. Judy Wood, believe that the US used directed energy weapons to destabilize the molecular structure of the buildings, thus causing them to collapse into atomic dust.

There are also those that believe the impact of the planes loaded with jet fuel caused fires that weakened the structures, precipitating a fatal catastrophic collapse.

Until new investigations are opened up, and secret intelligence reports are released to the public, the conspiracy theories will have a life of their own, and will be self perpetuating. The controversy will never cease. But it is clear to me that if the people who don’t believe the official story are willing to accept very poor quality data at face value, without scrutiny, then they are hurting their cause of getting to the bottom of what really happened. Progressives hate it when conservatives use suspect data to support ideas like the denial of global warming, or the “safety” of genetically modified foods. But when it comes to their own pet theories, progressives often turn procrustean, accepting any suspect information because it fits with their preconceived notions.

So was it nanotechnology-enhanced super thermite, or matter-disrupting phasers that brought down the WTC? Until new investigations are undertaken, these will be the stuff of internet legends for years to come.



Author's Bio: Dr. John Moffett is a Managing Editor at OpEdNews.com, and is an active research neuroscientist in the Washington, DC area. Dr. Moffett has published numerous scientific articles on the nervous and immune systems. Dr. Moffett's main area of research focuses on the brain metabolite N-acetylaspartate, and an associated genetic disorder known as Canavan disease.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Mofett's not a physicist, plus at the end of the article he even admits that the official 9/11 story isn't credible.

The two things that most Americans can agree on about 9/11 is that the official story is not credible, and that the Bush administration was hiding something.
Nuff said. Perhaps people should write their own peer reviewed study, instead of specious claims without any scientific backing.

Thermite is not just a lump of rust and a lump of aluminum. They are high tech with nanosized particles,only a handful of labs on the planet can make this stuff, so it wasn't just some anomalous finding.

 

[Mr. Jones]

only in your mind. no evidence = no facts [/QUOTE] Perfect example of why the NIST explanation has been torn to shreds.
Proof, facts and scientific studies accompanied by peer reviewed papers are evidence that the 9-11 destruction of the WTC buildings were not, and could not have been fully attributed to fire and gravity alone.
You would have to be an idiot to not realize this by now...of course the only way to keep your mind from suffering the cognitive dissonance you are afraid of experiencing is to continue to ignore the obvious.
You would do well to try to understand the definitions of words you have problems with yourself, as you continue to portray us who do understand facts, and evidence, and proof as the ones who don't understand what we are reading.
Of course when you don't even have the basic mental skills to observe the way the buildings collapsed, and realize that 3 buildings collapsing the way they did in one day, for the first time in history, ...well....that partially explains your handicap.

 

[Wicked Jester]

what kind of fool answers with a little emo-con...building 7 was not hit by a plane..deal with it

True.......A third of it was taken out by a great big building reigning tons of debris on it as it collapsed.....And then of course, there were those pesky fire thingamajigees.

Christ, you twoofer idiots are gullible lil' fools.

 

[eots]

what kind of fool answers with a little emo-con...building 7 was not hit by a plane..deal with it

True.......A third of it was taken out by a great big building reigning tons of debris on it as it collapsed.....And then of course, there were those pesky fire thingamajigees.

Christ, you twoofer idiots are gullible lil' fools.

you once again show your total and complete ignorance, you should truly be embarrassed, NIST concluded that damage from falling debris was not a factor and that the failure of a single column 79 due to fire, initiated the collapse and the failure of this single column under any circumstances would have resulted in a progressive collapse