There is no rapture, Jesus is not coming back in the clouds

[Campbell]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~Thomas Jefferson~

 

[irosie91]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

the preachers who preach this stuff are nuts and out to make money off of it. The rapture happened, it was the destruction of the temple that Jesus was talking about. The son of man in the clouds was Titus.
Time to wake up and end this end of days gloom and doom.

By Josephus :

Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner (22) [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."

Book V1 Chapt 5 Section 3, 24 http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-6.htm

Actually the few remaining members of the little flock( Luke 12:32)144,000-Rev 14:3) will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The great multitude will remain on earth and be brought through Har-mageddon. Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

What book of the bible did Josephus write?

oh yeah. None of them.

So why is what he says relevant to God's plan for the future?

oh yeah. It's not.

Who do you think wrote parts of the bible, if you read Josephus , you might even think he is Paul. We know Matthew, Mark, Luke and Paul (most likely mainly Philo) were fictional pen names.

I have read Josephus, and I don't think he's Paul, lol.

And no, we don't know Matthew, mark, Luke and Paul are pen names, where do you get this nonsense? lolol. ..

you are right----Josephus is not Paul. who matthew and mark were is very obscure-----but chances are they were
people. Luke was a greek. Gee----even I know this stuff
and barely care. Do not worry about THE END----if THE END comes-----you will not have anything about which to worry the next day

 

[JakeStarkey]

Einstein did not say he did not believe in God, only the type of God that is created by some men.

Jefferson clearly believed in deity, even called himself a Christian in a sect of one.

 

[Indeependent]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

 

[irosie91]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

"lake of fire"??? ------it's a pagan construct -----lots and lots of pagan religions use this imagery. Maybe a burning oil field stimulated the idea. It is also important to remember Solomon-------HEVEL HEVEL ---ALL IS HEVEL (hevel actually means "garbage". In contemporary English he----
"IT'S ALL SHIT"

 

[irosie91]

Einstein did not say he did not believe in God, only the type of God that is created by some men.

Jefferson clearly believed in deity, even called himself a Christian in a sect of one.

it is clear that he did not believe in the DANTE-ESQUE ---lake of fire and all those other attractions in the carnival called
THE INFERNO. For a really HELL OF A HELL-----see islam

 

[irosie91]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

 

[Campbell]

Einstein did not say he did not believe in God, only the type of God that is created by some men.

Jefferson clearly believed in deity, even called himself a Christian in a sect of one.

Horse Shit!!! All you have to do is produce the quotes in which he said that. I'll not hold my breath because I've read his stuff on religion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

 

[Campbell]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

 

[JakeStarkey]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

Oh, they accept the OandNTs, yes, as long as, they would say, they are properly translation, and of course, serving the right for themselves to do the correct translation.

They also have other holy scriptures, the which would make Mohammed jealous.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

That's all that is needed. Jefferson said he was a true disciple of Jesus. Nothing more said. He believed in deity. He would have thought atheism a preposterous notion of specious thinking by weak minded men.

 

[JakeStarkey]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

 

[irosie91]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

 

[irosie91]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

Oh, the accept the OandNTs, yes, as long as, they would say, they are properly translation, and of course, serving the right for themselves to do the correct translation.

They also have other holy scriptures, the which would make Mohammed jealous.

the golden plates? ------can you tell me the Mormon take on
muhummad?

 

[HaShev]

This will be right on topic while addressing some off topic comments made.

Many already know Hell- Gehinnom in Judaism is describing what life in the wrong path away from that essence we call G-d would be like. That's why they paint a picture of the burning trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem as it's similarity. A life liken to war torn areas with burning tires, trash scattered, people and buildings tattered and all residing outside the kingdom.

But what many don't know is the term for being cast out the kingdom was called being dead or in the pits (of society). Sort of like in the TV show Big Bang Theory when Howard calls his friend "dead to him" for snagging what he considered was his new girlfiend.
He outcasts the 2 of them and refuses to aclnowledge them. But what happens when he accepts them back? He says they came back to him, they are alive, it's a miracle.
In Biblical times it was called resurrection and coming back from the dead to merely be welcomed back into society or inside the kingdoms walls through repentance or someone arguing your case. You were as Howard put it "no longer dead"- to them.
It's possible that the rich young man Lazarus was cast out -"dead to them" and brought back when Theudas(made part of Jesus image) pled for his lovers return from exhile.
IT'S an easy story to confuse or manipulate.
I say they used it for the later if it was not fully fabricated in the first place.

 

[irosie91]

This will be right on topic while addressing some off topic comments made.

Many already know Hell- Gehinnom in Judaism is describing what life in the wrong path away from that essence we call G-d would be like. That's why they paint a picture of the burning trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem as it's similarity. A life liken to war torn areas with burning tires, trash scattered, people and buildings tattered and all residing outside the kingdom.

But what many don't know is the term for being cast out the kingdom was called being dead or in the pits (of society). Sort of like in the TV show Big Bang Theory when Howard calls his friend "dead to him" for snagging what he considered was his new girlfiend.
He outcasts the 2 of them and refuses to aclnowledge them. But what happens when he accepts them back? He says they came back to him, they are alive, it's a miracle.
In Biblical times it was called resurrection and coming back from the dead to merely be welcomed back into society or inside the kingdoms walls through repentance or someone arguing your case. You were as Howard put it "no longer dead"- to them.
It's possible that the rich young man Lazarus was cast out -"dead to them" and brought back when Theudas(made part of Jesus image) pled for his lovers return from exhile.
IT'S an easy story to confuse or manipulate.
I say they used it for the later if it was not fully fabricated in the first place.

hashev------it is a matter of language and usage, -----as you know. I grew up knowing ONLY ENGLISH. No education in any religion-----except visits to the sunday school in the church basement with a friend. ------but regarding the bible
(OT and NT) even I had a slight edge over my sunday school
playmates based on language usage by my American born
grandmother who was also fluent and literate in Yiddish. The
manner in which American Christians misconstrue the words
of both books-----still fascinates me. Another issue is "traditional interpretation" People who grow up with
the yearly Christmas play re-enactment of the baby born in
the manger-----(which----in fact, I did---but it had no more reality to me than did FLASH GORDON and the Easter bunny) will hold onto their early impressions for life

 

[guno]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

That's all that is needed. Jefferson said he was a true disciple of Jesus. Nothing more said. He believed in deity. He would have thought atheism a preposterous notion of specious thinking by weak minded men.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

 

[JakeStarkey]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

My father's mother was a major player in the San Fran Eastern Star a long, long time ago.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

That's all that is needed. Jefferson said he was a true disciple of Jesus. Nothing more said. He believed in deity. He would have thought atheism a preposterous notion of specious thinking by weak minded men.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

He is talking about the miracles that priest craft overlaid on Christianity. Jefferson was no atheist, no agnostic. No knowledgeable person accepts instruction from one whose hole card is malignant in nature, guno.