There is no rapture, Jesus is not coming back in the clouds

[koshergrl]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

Actually the few remaining members of the little flock( Luke 12:32)144,000-Rev 14:3) will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The great multitude will remain on earth and be brought through Har-mageddon. Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

What book of the bible did Josephus write?

oh yeah. None of them.

So why is what he says relevant to God's plan for the future?

oh yeah. It's not.

Who do you think wrote parts of the bible, if you read Josephus , you might even think he is Paul. We know Matthew, Mark, Luke and Paul (most likely mainly Philo) were fictional pen names.

I have read Josephus, and I don't think he's Paul, lol.

And no, we don't know Matthew, mark, Luke and Paul are pen names, where do you get this nonsense? lolol. ..

koshergrl is a very ignorant socon, who believes in literalism. That is stupid as the hardliner Muslims. No, Josephus was not Paul. And, yes, koshergrl does not understand who wrote the New Testament.

Fakey knows I have him on ignore. He takes the opportunity to lie about me because he knows I won't respond and he hopes that people will believe his idiotic prattling.

Unfortunately, NOBODY believes him. We all understand that if he takes the time to type something out, it's a lie. Even noobs aren't taken in after the first 24 hours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

 

[Indeependent]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

 

[Indeependent]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

 

[Votto]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

The Pope has already told us that Trump is going to hell for wanting to build a border wall.

Meanwhile, Hillary wants taxpayers to pay for abortions and not a peep from the left winged Pope.

 

[Indeependent]

Nothing koshergrl says is relevant to Jesus or His love for mankind. She hates. Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

The Pope has already told us that Trump is going to hell for wanting to build a border wall.

Meanwhile, Hillary wants taxpayers to pay for abortions and not a peep from the left winged Pope.

Every extreme develops an equal and opposite extreme.
The Global, er, Asian, Economy has wreaked a lot of havoc and the Pope see more of it than we do.
Even though he gets to leave in a limousine.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The silly anti-Godists cannot show in even one place that Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

 

[Indeependent]

Why, when we have Obama and Hillary to save us?

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

 

[koshergrl]

wth is a socon???

 

[JakeStarkey]

You just made me realize that JS rejects Trump for being a "racist" but LOVES Jesus even though Jesus is sending trillions of people to the Eternal Lake of Fire.

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

 

[Indeependent]

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

 

[Indeependent]

Show me where Jesus says anything of the sort.

You can find many stupid Christians who say it.

kg does not have me on ignore, because she hates me and has to know what I say about her.

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

Do you follow TNT?
If not, what Scripture DO you follow?

 

[HaShev]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

the preachers who preach this stuff are nuts and out to make money off of it. The rapture happened, it was the destruction of the temple that Jesus was talking about. The son of man in the clouds was Titus.
Time to wake up and end this end of days gloom and doom.

By Josephus :

Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner (22) [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."

Book V1 Chapt 5 Section 3, 24 http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-6.htm

Actually the few remaining members of the little flock( Luke 12:32)144,000-Rev 14:3) will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The great multitude will remain on earth and be brought through Har-mageddon. Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

1) earlier copies have no mention of Jesus, only after Eusebius the great liar forger do you see the pasages seemingly out of context of Josephus writings magically appear in later copies.
2)Josephus being a Jew would not use the word Ghost at the end of that.
We don't believe in Ghosts, teach it, nor would he have a word in his vocabulary being translated as such.
Which brings us to 3.
3)being a Jew he'd use the Hebrew name for the character, like he did all the other christ figures which were combined into creating the Jesus image.
Only a Christian writer would use the term Jesus and Christ since Josephus was not a follower he would not call him the christ like he never called the other christs.

Regarding the OP about Rapture:
Since they plagiarized the OT to place him fallaciously in everything in order to get Jews to convert to Baal's son, they did so using Daniel 7 acct in Theslonians.
The problem is the Romans creating this farce did not know the slang or poetic terms of the Hebrew writers thus concocted some rediculously silly expectations based on these mistakes.
One being confusing the term
" Clouds" meaning= gathering of temple priests as being literal clouds in the sky.
Daniel therefore is actually accounting a realistic event not a fantasty one.
He says son of man would come with or out of 'clouds' (gathering of temple hosts). Therefore Theslonians coming up to the clouds to see the Moshiach means coming up to the Temple in Mount Zion to hear and see Moshiach and meet him with the hosts at his temple. Where is that temple, not in Rome, but in YeruShalem. Therefore there has to be an "overturning" of the authority according to these descriptions back to the Shiloh =ONE WHOSE RIGHT IT IS.
Dan later describes this as Michael
(Dan 12:1-4).
So here we have the MIKdash in his name in the holy city in his name(Shalem is Michael) which is why Theslonians says by the call of the voice of the arch(top) Angel (prophet -messenger-reflection)=Michael.

 

[HaShev]

Coming out of clouds also refers to coming out of the Kohanim (Aaronic priesthood) lineage which make up the gathering hosts.

scrolls: lQS lX, ll which seems to be fragment omitted from 4QSe(4Q259) states Moshiach coming from the lineage of Aaron=a Kohanim.
But this is common sense that the head priest comes out of the gathering of Kohanim which in poetic description as slang were called "clouds" for their puffy white robes appeared like clouds when gathered.

 

[ninja007]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What Does the Bible Say About Lake Of Fire?.
Never pose such a simple challenge in the Internet Age.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

Do you follow TNT?
If not, what Scripture DO you follow?

You follow TNT? Oh, my, those folks are as stupid as anti-Godists.

 

[JakeStarkey]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

Show us where Jesus said millions are going into a lake of fire.

See? You have lost already.

Way more than millions since even TODAY the vast majority of humans don't believe in the Calvary.
Are you that stupid?

Once again JS has no answer to the simplest flaw in his argument.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

 

[Campbell]

Well one the thing the internet proves is you can write and say anything you want and upload it to print.

The bible had already proven that. An entire epistle of ancient horse shit right there for everyone to marvel about. It's amazing what lies mankind will fabricate when other folk's money is what they're after!