The view from LONDON...democracy doesnt work in the US.

[Caligirl]

?? what a great irish sounding name... Zak??? Sounds more hillbilly to me.

No, he's evidently the UK's leading psychic. Odd chap, has quite the strange set of beliefs and is very confrontational on message boards. Delightful fellow.

It's your bit about bombing iraqi babies that sounds suspiciously like a giveaway. Now I've no doubt many Brits walk around talking about the US bombing Iraqi babies, but the particular relish you show in your posts seems most suspicious.



And I didn't name him, his mother did, and he could have gone with Paul but for some reason thought Zak was better.

Coming from the boondocks of the midwest, FYI, there are no hillbilly "Zak's." Zeke maybe, but no Zak.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wow, they dont fear death?

That is what life is.... a fear of mortality. People create myths .. ie Religion... to avoid facing the reality of their mortality.

Marines are no different from anyone else.


As for Benny Hill... as i said it was a 1970s comedy for thickoes... Sun readers no doubt.

Democracy doesnt work in uneducated nations... its fine for Germany, italy, france, former eastern bloc... where education is valued and universal... but it doesnt work in the US..... too many uneducated fatties.

You tea drinking snobs have benefitted from our system of higher education.

Especially our schools of dentistry.

 

[midcan5]

Cant believe that grown men and women actually fell for that Bushteam "war on terror"... it literally baffles the mind ... how gullible americans really are.

Fear is a powerful agent and one successful attack along with the constant warnings and anthrax deaths was all it took. I'm not sure admiration is the right word or sentiment, but countries that suffer terrorism but go after the terrorists in a normal manner are to be respected. Our problem was America elected an incompetent man - and they may do the same again if McCain is elected. Sad, but countries, just like people can be hypnotized into stupidity if the situation and the propaganda is powerful enough.


A Conversation With Herman Goering

During the Nuremburg Trials in Germany after World War 2, Nazi leader Herman Goering was interviewed by Gustav Gilbert, an American intelligence officer. Goering said: "Of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. . . . But after all it is the leaders of the country that determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along."

Gustav Gilbert replied: "There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in America only Congress can declare wars."

Goering replied: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the will of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

 

[Ame®icano]

You tea drinking snobs have benefitted from our system of higher education.

Especially our schools of dentistry.

 

[Diuretic]

AND Jack Daniel's.

Thanks to a couple of USAF blokes I used to know in a certain outback town here I o'd'd on JD once - never tried it again

 

[Avatar4321]

Probably not. Perhaps the religiosity of Americans can be traced back to the settlers who were fleeing religious persecution in England and later the rest of Europe. I would think it would take immense courage and very deep belief to put your trust in your religious beliefs and trust in your God, to sail across the Atlantic and settle in a strange country. I know I'm being a bit simplistic but those who had that courage and that belief would have had them in spades and would have passed them down to their children by teaching them those beliefs. Just an idea, probably wrong, but an idea.

It's an accurate viewpoint. Religious freedom is a paramount of liberty. If you cant exercise your faith according to your conscience can you truly be a free man? Even if your faith is nothing, if you arent free to believe it, then you arent free.

 

[Avatar4321]

Sorry mate... but there is NO religion of any sort in the UK or Europe... and there never will be again.

Education ensures that all religion dies.

One day... possibly in 50-100 years.. when americans get education for all and not just those in power..religion will die also. Religion is a tool merely to control the peasants.

You really believe that the presidential candidates have any belief in religion? they are just blah blah ing for the masses of uneducated religious freaks in the US...

If you believe religion is merely a tool to control peasants, then you dont know a damn thing about religion. So seriously why should we listen to someone who clearly cannot see the beauty found in all religions?

 

[Avatar4321]

Its beautiful isn't it? Or haven't you been there?

Beautiful tourist attraction.

Religion has ZERO influence on european politics. We are all secular societies and will remain so, unless there is a mass regression to the sixteenth century...as there appears to have been in the US.

I shall repeat... ALL RELIGION dies with education.

There is NO religion in europe.
...unless you count the traditional, spiritual, personal hobby that a few people have and never seek to enforce upon others?...thats kind of cute and very harmless.... and as i said the churches in Italy (where i lived for 5 years amongst numerous other nations) are utterly amazing. Didnt however meet one italian in those 5 years who was religious... just as i never did in france or the UK. Ireland was a little different due to irish vs british (never a religious war) nationalism... but that is now only for the over 50s.

You know for a very "educated" person, you seem completely naive when it comes to religion in Europe which is kind of ironic since you live there.

Europe has to worry regressing back to the 8th century with all the Islamic immigrants moving in. You may want to ignore it all you want, but its happening.

 

[Avatar4321]

Sorry about the Royal marines...but your posts were of such poor quality..that i didnt really read them thoroughly.

As for BH... as i said.. i dont believe in democracy for the UK or the US...too many uneducated thickoes. Sun readers in my mind are not worthy of a vote...so popularity amongst these dregs doesnt count in my mind.

Not one intelligent person in the uk found Benny Hill slapstick yawning funny.

Well if you are indicative of the education level in the UK than Im sad to say I agree that there are too many uneducated thickoes (whatever the hell a thicko is).

This is what you get from public education no matter what country you go to.

 

[editec]

You simply cannot have a serious debate with these people... All you can do is pity them......and try hard not to laugh at them.

Mate the person kicking your ass here is a fellow UKer.

If you want a serious debate, try posting something seriously worth our time debating.

 

[jla1178]

Ask someone in the UK what there religion is...may as well ask them what their hair colour is.

"Their". And editted, too. How...uneducated!

 

[MichaelCollins]

Fear is a powerful agent and one successful attack along with the constant warnings and anthrax deaths was all it took. I'm not sure admiration is the right word or sentiment, but countries that suffer terrorism but go after the terrorists in a normal manner are to be respected. Our problem was America elected an incompetent man - and they may do the same again if McCain is elected. Sad, but countries, just like people can be hypnotized into stupidity if the situation and the propaganda is powerful enough.


A Conversation With Herman Goering

During the Nuremburg Trials in Germany after World War 2, Nazi leader Herman Goering was interviewed by Gustav Gilbert, an American intelligence officer. Goering said: "Of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. . . . But after all it is the leaders of the country that determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along."

Gustav Gilbert replied: "There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in America only Congress can declare wars."

Goering replied: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the will of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Excellent post. The last paragraph sums up the US completely..... dont think it would work in educated nations though. Cant see any European public falling for such obvious tactics in this day and age... its just the US has that large constituency of blind thickoes..who follow follow.

 

[Bootneck]

"Their". And editted, too. How...uneducated!

Oh dear! The pompous Mr Collins hoist by his own petard!

Hey, Collins, before you pick up others on grammar and spelling, you should make sure you possess the ability yourself.

Now you can see why people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Never mind, though. Credibility takes another plunge, but don't fret. At least you've established number one spot for laughing stock of the boards.

 

[Luissa]

The view from London and perhaps most of Europe is that the US is split right down the middle.

The US is a dichotomy in many areas... most notably... it has an educated minority and a vast swathe of uneducated masses in the midwest and south.

Generally speaking, am i correct in assuming that the Democrat voters tend to be educated and reasonable and the Republican voters tend to be brainwashed religious nuts who are very easily manipulated..by such inventions as the "war on terror" (only believed in the US)....ohhhh be very afraid of the big bad terrorist..only a backward simpleton like GW can protect you!

Has it not come to a stage now ...where in a country that a substantial number of people believe in creationism...adam and steve etc and the world is 6000 years old.. that selective democracy should be enforced?

ie.. thick americans should not be allowed to vote. It was this way years ago and also in third world countries...and surely any country that has religion is third world? especially this evangelical stone age nonsense. Thick americans must be denied the vote.


After all this thick mass of religious nuts was created so that the repulicans could get into power....create fear ... and justify a huge industrial war machine from which they could personally become billionaires.

I watched a program where a lady was praying for her projector at some christian recuiting youth camp and then they cut to talking to her in her kitchen and there was a picture of George W on her refridgerator!

 

[Navy1960]

First, if you could actually comprehend what you read, you'd notice that I am very much for government and believe in a tempered free market, that I called a 'fair market'.

Second, the Soviet Union came to an end about 17 years ago. The current Russian government isn't communist or socialist. It is a capitalist democracy. I realize that you are a bit slow, but 17 years behind the times is a bit much. Do you ever watch the news?

Third, I know quite a few people that grew up in the Soviet Union, some of which think that the standard of living in the Soviet Union was in many ways better than that in the United States. These include Russians, Lithuanians and Polish.

I realize that you are a brainwashed troll and that the second and third statements above contradict everything that you've been programmed to believe. Please try not to have a tizzy.

You know nothing about the standard of living in the Soviet Union any more than you seem to be able to comprehend that it doesn't exist anymore.

Tempered free market? Let see if I can understand this for a moment, you believe that the market should be so tightly regulated so that the mean old corporations won't go about doing mean and nasty things and the government will take care of everyone and still allow you to go and buy a starbucks coffee with your assistance check? Wonderful concept, if your lazy and want the government to wipe your backside for you and think because you suck oxygen, your owed something in life.

As for The Russian Federation I'm well aware the Soviet Union does not exist anymore. However, whats in a name and a pretty flag? You say it's a democracy, give me a break on that one, thats a good joke. I guess you didn't see the last elections there? What happened to anyone who opposed Putins hand picked successor? They didn't end up in jail did they, with their homes and bank accounts taken from them ? Or was this all propaganda made to make the rest of the world mad at poor old Vladimer the ex KGB agent? This is the same country that owns both of the largest news media outlets in the country is it not? So in an election you think I would be able to buy me some time on old Vlad's channel? I think not. As for the country itself. you must be kidding or reading too many of those let's get back to the glory days web sites.

Russia GDP 13.3 trillion USA 31.31 trillion
Russia pci 5280.00 US USA 31,870.00 US
Russia inflation 78% USA 2.2 %

World Bank *

Do you happen to know what country is the largest user of former soviet nuclear warheads that have been retooled for use in nuclear reactors for peaceful purposes? That would be the United States. Even we contribute to their GDP.

So don't go off runnnig your mouth about how great your friends say it is there, when the rest of the world know's the only people in Russia well off are the elite's , but rather than call them party bosses they just now call them CEO's or Mr. Prime Minister. I won't debate the merits of the Soviet system with someone like you, because you obviously don't know a whole lot, or your friends are kids that never had to stand in a bread line or sneak late at night to red square and buy a pair of black market jeans because they were banned there.

I did happen to read both paragraphs and understood them very well and can see how a person like you would understand them as well. Your the type that wants the rest of us to support you and thinks we all owe you something because your born, it's why you find a system like that so appealing, because your afraid to get off your lazy ass make your own way in life and want the rest of us to do it for you. It is why I despise communist so much.

 

[MichaelCollins]

You know for a very "educated" person, you seem completely naive when it comes to religion in Europe which is kind of ironic since you live there.

Europe has to worry regressing back to the 8th century with all the Islamic immigrants moving in. You may want to ignore it all you want, but its happening.

LMAO .... they actually believe the BUSHTEAM propaganda...

They could have created any enemy and these fools would have fallen for it.

Lets bomb the eskimos now!¬

FEAR THOSE EVIL ESKIMOS... THE IGLOO OF EVIL.

 

[Luissa]

LMAO .... they actually believe the BUSHTEAM propaganda...

They could have created any enemy and these fools would have fallen for it.

Lets bomb the eskimos now!¬

FEAR THOSE EVIL ESKIMOS... THE IGLOO OF EVIL.

Palin calls them the f***in eskimos and the aborinals artic arabs!

 

[MichaelCollins]

Palin calls them the f***in eskimos and the aborinals artic arabs!

Should get her alot of votes then in the hillbilly republican heartland of religious right wing nuts.

 

[Seraph]

Sorry mate... but there is NO religion of any sort in the UK or Europe... and there never will be again.

Isn't Italy in Europe?

And Spain, Portugal and lots of eastern European countries where religion is strong.

 

[editec]

The Church of England is the officially established Christian church[3] in England.

End of discussion