The US started the Korean war??

[xomputer]

Norh Korea is bullshitting once again.
The US started the Korean war??
Korean War started in 1950 because of North Korea's ambush invasion, which later developed into a 3 year and 2 months long full-scale war between UN forces that supported South Korea, and the Chinese forces, divided into the democratic camp, and the communist camp, that supported North Korea.
North Korea's provocation resulted in countless casualties from US and Korea, trying to defend liberty and peace. As a result for the sacrifices of the war heroes, Korea exists as it is known to the day.
Everybody knows the truth. I don't understand why North Korea is talking nonsense. Seems like Kim Jong Un gets constipation, if he is not denounced for a day.

 

[hjmick]

North Korea telling tales?

Shocking.

 

[MaryL]

What do you think, xopmputer? Kim jong II has nuclear weapons. He can't feed the poor starving in the north. We all KNOW what is going on here .Tell us what YOU think.

 

[demiurge]

Vietnam War? Sure.

Korean? That's some bubbly insanity burbling to the top there.

 

[georgephillip]

Norh Korea is bullshitting once again.
The US started the Korean war??
Korean War started in 1950 because of North Korea's ambush invasion, which later developed into a 3 year and 2 months long full-scale war between UN forces that supported South Korea, and the Chinese forces, divided into the democratic camp, and the communist camp, that supported North Korea.
North Korea's provocation resulted in countless casualties from US and Korea, trying to defend liberty and peace. As a result for the sacrifices of the war heroes, Korea exists as it is known to the day.
Everybody knows the truth. I don't understand why North Korea is talking nonsense. Seems like Kim Jong Un gets constipation, if he is not denounced for a day.

In August 1945 Japan formally turned over authority in Korea to the Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence led by Lyuh Woon-hyung.

When US forces under General Reed Hodge arrived to accept Japan's surrender, he ordered all Japanese officials to remain at their posts, refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, and eventually banned all public references to Lyuh's organization.

"Yuh Woon-Hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢&#38525, the Chinese characters for 'dream" and "light.'

"He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."

Had the US not intervened, Korea would have united in 1945, and there would've been no need for the Korean War or the profit$ it generated.

 

[Sallow]

Norh Korea is bullshitting once again.
The US started the Korean war??
Korean War started in 1950 because of North Korea's ambush invasion, which later developed into a 3 year and 2 months long full-scale war between UN forces that supported South Korea, and the Chinese forces, divided into the democratic camp, and the communist camp, that supported North Korea.
North Korea's provocation resulted in countless casualties from US and Korea, trying to defend liberty and peace. As a result for the sacrifices of the war heroes, Korea exists as it is known to the day.
Everybody knows the truth. I don't understand why North Korea is talking nonsense. Seems like Kim Jong Un gets constipation, if he is not denounced for a day.

In August 1945 Japan formally turned over authority in Korea to the Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence led by Lyuh Woon-hyung.

When US forces under General Reed Hodge arrived to accept Japan's surrender, he ordered all Japanese officials to remain at their posts, refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, and eventually banned all public references to Lyuh's organization.

"Yuh Woon-Hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢&#38525, the Chinese characters for 'dream" and "light.'

"He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."

Had the US not intervened, Korea would have united in 1945, and there would've been no need for the Korean War or the profit$ it generated.

Bullshit.

 

[georgephillip]

About 4 million people died for bullshit?

"At the Potsdam Conference (July–August 1945), the Allies unilaterally decided to divide Korea—without consulting the Koreans—in contradiction of the Cairo Conference.[44][45][46][47]

"On 8 September 1945, Lt. Gen. John R. Hodge of the United States arrived in Incheon to accept the Japanese surrender south of the 38th parallel.[30] Appointed as military governor, General Hodge directly controlled South Korea as head of the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK 1945–48).[48] He established control by restoring to power the key Japanese colonial administrators and their Korean police collaborators.[13]

"The USAMGIK refused to recognise the provisional government of the short-lived People's Republic of Korea (PRK) because he suspected it was communist. These policies, voiding popular Korean sovereignty, provoked civil insurrections and guerrilla warfare."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Korea_divided_.281945.E2.80.931949.29

 

[demiurge]

it was far more than just the PRK being communists - indeed, they become the basis of the People's Workers Party in North Korea. They were also the designated group designated by the Japanese to handle the change in rulership, which needless to say was not the Japanese occupiers right at the time.

You could far more easily make the case that the Soviet Union caused the split, and they certainly were behind the abrogation of free elecrtions and the following invasion. This one the entire UN was behind the US.

 

[Unkotare]

Had the US not intervened, Korea would have united in 1945.

You really need to think about that one again.

 

[georgephillip]

it was far more than just the PRK being communists - indeed, they become the basis of the People's Workers Party in North Korea. They were also the designated group designated by the Japanese to handle the change in rulership, which needless to say was not the Japanese occupiers right at the time.

You could far more easily make the case that the Soviet Union caused the split, and they certainly were behind the abrogation of free elecrtions and the following invasion. This one the entire UN was behind the US.

Soviet forces invaded Korea in August of '45, advancing to the 38th parallel by August 10th.
At that time they agreed to a US proposal to stop their advance instead of taking the entire peninsula.

"The Red Army handed power over to the Korean Workers’ Party,(in the north) headed by Kim Il-sung, a legendary guerrilla leader who had fought the Japanese in Manchuria (where there is a large ethnic Korean population)."

Contrast that polcy with US reliance in the south with a majority of big Korean businessmen and landowners who collaborated with Japanese colonial rule. Those "free elections" you mentioned took place after USAMGIK outlawed the PRK Revolutionary Government and PRK Peoples Committees on December 12, 1945 and after a declaration of martial law.

Basic Facts Good People Should Know » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[georgephillip]

Had the US not intervened, Korea would have united in 1945.

You really need to think about that one again.

One of us definitely needs A Pop Quiz on Korea:

"4. At the Yalta Conference in February 1945, U.S. President Roosevelt and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin discussed the postwar future of Korea. Stalin advocated independence as soon as possible. Roosevelt

a. agreed to immediate independence

b. advocated a trusteeship of 20-30 years, citing the positive example of U.S. rule in the Philippines

c. suggested Korea remain a part of the Japanese Empire, to be occupied by Allied forces."

 

[Unkotare]

Your juvenile, simplistic reading of history is all too clearly motivated by your great disappointment that the entire Korean penninsula is not a communist hell hole today. A vibrant, dynamic, prosperous South Korea a stone's throw away from the most backward, repressive, inhumane, failed state on earth directly repudiates your asinine political dreams.

 

[georgephillip]

Your juvenile, simplistic reading of history is all too clearly motivated by your great disappointment that the entire Korean penninsula is not a communist hell hole today. A vibrant, dynamic, prosperous South Korea a stone's throw away from the most backward, repressive, inhumane, failed state on earth directly repudiates your asinine political dreams.

Did you even bother to read my link?

"After the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, Japan acquired control over Korea, annexing it formally in 1910.

"In 1905 Japanese Prime Minister Katsura Tar? met secretly with U.S. Secretary of War William Howard Taft, producing the Taft-Katsura Agreement in which the U.S. recognized Japan’s interests in Korea.

"What did the U.S. receive in return?

a. Japanese agreement to limit emigration to the U.S.

b. Japanese recognition of U.S. colonial rule over the Philippines.

c. Japan’s renunciation to all claims to the Hawai’ian Islands

A Pop Quiz on Korea » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

You have no way of knowing if the entire peninsula would be as prosperous as South Korea is today if Truman had displayed the same commitment to Korean independence that Stalin did in 1945.

I'm sure Wall Street appreciates your ignorance.

 

[Unkotare]

You have no way of knowing if the entire peninsula would be as prosperous as South Korea is today if Truman had displayed the same commitment to Korean independence that Stalin did in 1945.

But you dream/wish/fantasize that it would be the communist paradise you think it should be if only we had abandoned the South and let the dominoes roll on to Japan, right comrade?

 

[Sallow]

About 4 million people died for bullshit?

"At the Potsdam Conference (July–August 1945), the Allies unilaterally decided to divide Korea—without consulting the Koreans—in contradiction of the Cairo Conference.[44][45][46][47]

"On 8 September 1945, Lt. Gen. John R. Hodge of the United States arrived in Incheon to accept the Japanese surrender south of the 38th parallel.[30] Appointed as military governor, General Hodge directly controlled South Korea as head of the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK 1945–48).[48] He established control by restoring to power the key Japanese colonial administrators and their Korean police collaborators.[13]

"The USAMGIK refused to recognise the provisional government of the short-lived People's Republic of Korea (PRK) because he suspected it was communist. These policies, voiding popular Korean sovereignty, provoked civil insurrections and guerrilla warfare."

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Pick up a book on Korean History.

 

[Ringel05]

Vietnam War? Sure.

Korean? That's some bubbly insanity burbling to the top there.

We didn't start the Vietnam War, the Việt Minh did when they rose up against the French, it was a french colony. Unfortunately we honored a treaty to come to the France's aid and unfortunately ended up stuck in what became an American war when the French pulled out. That's not to say we weren't complicit in creating the situation for our involvement, our "containment" policy at the time saw to that.

 

[georgephillip]

You have no way of knowing if the entire peninsula would be as prosperous as South Korea is today if Truman had displayed the same commitment to Korean independence that Stalin did in 1945.

But you dream/wish/fantasize that it would be the communist paradise you think it should be if only we had abandoned the South and let the dominoes roll on to Japan, right comrade?

How do you know a majority of Koreans would have chosen communism?

"In anticipation of Japan’s defeat in the Second World War, Yuh organized in 1944 the Korean Restoration Brotherhood (조선건국동맹, Joseon Geon-guk Dongmaeng), a nationwide underground organization.

"When Japan finally surrendered to the Allies on August 15, 1945 and Deputy Governor General Abe transferred his government to Yuh in exchange for safeguard of Japanese in Korea, it enabled him to promptly form the Committee for Preparation of Korean Independence (조선 건국 준비 위원회, Joseon Geon-guk Junbi Wiwonhoe).

"In September 1945, Yuh proclaimed the establishment of the Korean People's Republic and became its vice-premier. In October, he stepped down under pressure from the United States Military Government, and organized the People's Party of Korea, becoming its chairman."

"For the following months of the anti-trusteeship movement and other political changes, Yuh took a line of action in concert with the communists.

"When a movement to unify the political left and the political right arose in May 1946, Lyuh represented the center-left and occupied a position on the center between the left and the right.

"Yuh’s political stance was, however, attacked by both the extreme right and the extreme left, and his efforts to pursue a centrist position was made increasingly untenable by the political realities of the time.

"On July 19, 1947, Yuh was assassinated in Seoul by a 19-year-old man named Han Chigeun, a recent refugee from North Korea and an active member of a nationalist right-wing group. Yuh's death was widely mourned."

Maybe you can explain the moral calculus that allowed a US general to deny millions of Koreans an opportunity to choose their own form of government?

Yuh Woon-Hyung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

About 4 million people died for bullshit?

"At the Potsdam Conference (July–August 1945), the Allies unilaterally decided to divide Korea—without consulting the Koreans—in contradiction of the Cairo Conference.[44][45][46][47]

"On 8 September 1945, Lt. Gen. John R. Hodge of the United States arrived in Incheon to accept the Japanese surrender south of the 38th parallel.[30] Appointed as military governor, General Hodge directly controlled South Korea as head of the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK 1945–48).[48] He established control by restoring to power the key Japanese colonial administrators and their Korean police collaborators.[13]

"The USAMGIK refused to recognise the provisional government of the short-lived People's Republic of Korea (PRK) because he suspected it was communist. These policies, voiding popular Korean sovereignty, provoked civil insurrections and guerrilla warfare."

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Pick up a book on Korean History.

Amaze me (some more) with your fucking ignorance:

"The Korean peninsula, peopled by one of the world’s most homogeneous ethnic groups, and united from the seventh century through 1945, is now divided into two nations due primarily to the actions of the Truman administration and the U.S. military.

"This is something upon which South and North Koreans agree.

"The facts are laid out well by historian Bruce Cumings in his magisterial two-volume work, The Origins of the Korean War."

Basic Facts Good People Should Know » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[Unkotare]

You have no way of knowing if the entire peninsula would be as prosperous as South Korea is today if Truman had displayed the same commitment to Korean independence that Stalin did in 1945.

But you dream/wish/fantasize that it would be the communist paradise you think it should be if only we had abandoned the South and let the dominoes roll on to Japan, right comrade?

How do you know a majority of Koreans would have chosen communism?

LOL! Do you really think that's how communists work? You can't be that naive.

 

[georgephillip]

Vietnam War? Sure.

Korean? That's some bubbly insanity burbling to the top there.

We didn't start the Vietnam War, the Việt Minh did when they rose up against the French, it was a french colony. Unfortunately we honored a treaty to come to the France's aid and unfortunately ended up stuck in what became an American war when the French pulled out. That's not to say we weren't complicit in creating the situation for our involvement, our "containment" policy at the time saw to that.

Chomsky might argue the French started that war:

"The direct U.S. attack against South Vietnam followed our support for the French attempt to reconquer their former colony, our disruption of the 1954 'peace process,' and a terrorist war against the South Vietnamese population.

"This terror had already left some 75,000 dead while evoking domestic resistance, supported from the northern half of the country after 1959, that threatened to bring down the regime that the U.S. had established.

"In the following years, the U.S. continued to resist every attempt at peaceful settlement, and in 1964 began to plan the ground invasion of South Vietnam.

"The land assault took place in early 1965, accompanied by the bombing of North Vietnam and an intensification of the bombing of the south, at triple the level of the more publicized bombing of the north. The U.S. also extended the war to Laos and Cambodia."

Invasion Newspeak: U.S. & USSR, by Noam Chomsky

It seems to me the US invasions and occupations of Korea and Vietnam were just more "busine$$ a$ u$ual" for "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world:"