The Thing Feared Most About Trump...

[Boss]

Say what you will about Donald Trump. The man is a successful business tycoon, everyone recognizes his name and he has made (and lost) fortunes through the years with his business acumen. He is a brash, plain-spoken, often bombastic speaker who doesn't care about what is politically correct. He is not beholden to either political party or any special interest aside from his own self interests. He certainly delivers enough caustic rhetoric for his enemies to feed on and they do... much to their chagrin, it generally tallies up to stronger poll numbers for him when they complain. But that's not the thing they fear most about Trump. None of it is.

The thing feared most about Trump from political strategists of every party, regardless of the candidate they may support, is that he is an anomaly. An unknown quantity. There is absolutely NO political history there. We simply do not know how many actual votes on ballots Trump can obtain. With any other candidate, there are some voting statistics and data to look at. You can analyze what went wrong or right in their campaign, find out how the voters felt about things or what influenced their vote... with Trump we have nothing.

Polls can be very unreliable and misleading. Most political analysts put more stock into where the money is at... who is best at fundraising? However, again with Trump, we simply have an unknown variable. He is funding his own campaign. So there is no voting data and no fundraising data. What Trump can ultimately do is unpredictable, even by the most astute political analyst.

His campaign appearances are off the charts in terms of numbers. No candidate in history has ever produced the kinds of numbers he is generating on a regular basis. Does this mean anything? We don't know. Could Trump bring something to the table that we simply cannot factor? This is the question on every political strategist's mind. We won't know until the votes start coming in and we can look at real numbers of real votes on real ballots. Until then, Trump is a giant question mark. This is what his adversaries fear the most... the great unknown.

Sarah Palin got huge crowds too, and she was only the VP candidate.

How did that work out?

Palin didn't get anything close to what Trump is getting. On her best day, she maybe had 10k.. Trump is getting 20~30k regularly. In contrast, Bernie and Hillary can't get 3k.

As I said, no one in political history has ever generated these kind of crowds... but does that mean anything? I'm not arguing it does or doesn't, I'm saying we don't know. It may just be his celebrity status... it may be something else.

There is no voting data. We simply have no information on how Trump does in terms of actually getting votes. That will be determined soon when the primaries start but as of today... not a single American citizen has ever cast their vote for Donald Trump.

 

[Boss]

His campaign appearances are off the charts in terms of numbers. No candidate in history has ever produced the kinds of numbers he is generating on a regular basis.

Wrong.

Senator Barack Obama drew the largest crowd of his campaign so far on Sunday, addressing an estimated 75,000 people who had gathered here on the banks of the Willamette River.​

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19campaign.html

Donald Trump scored the biggest crowd of any presidential candidate so far this election year Friday, drawing 30,000 raucous, cheering fans to his rally at a college football stadium in Mobile, Ala.​

http://nypost.com/2015/08/22/trump-gets-biggest-crowd-of-any-2016-candidate-so-far/

LMAO... If the NY Times says Obama had 75k it means he probably had 30k.

 

[Toro]

LMAO... If the NY Times says Obama had 75k it means he probably had 30k.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. You've got your rep to defend after being exposed.

 

[Boss]

LMAO... If the NY Times says Obama had 75k it means he probably had 30k.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. You've got your rep to defend after being exposed.

Nah... my rep is fine. Not worried about it. Trump is still in a primary race with a dozen other candidates. If he wins the nomination and his support coalesces more, he will break any record Obama ever dreamed of in terms of crowds... he might have to rent a football stadium. But for now, he is generating larger crowds than Hil and Bern combined. That's probably not going to change.

 

[Timmy]

I'd be one thing if he was a senator. (Imagine him on the floor !) but to have his finger on the button!!! Oi vey !

 

[Boss]

I'd be one thing if he was a senator. (Imagine him on the floor !) but to have his finger on the button!!! Oi vey !

Well... We've always made more of this than what is reality. Trump is just one man. Our system is pretty sound in terms of power... one man can't do anything by himself. Even if that man wants to "fundamentally transform" us... he has to work within the parameters of the power he has.

 

[candycorn]

He's a loose cannon who cannot control what comes out of his mouth.

He lies almost daily and then doubles down on his lies. Then, he demands an apology and threatens to sue.

Basically, he's a spoiled 4th grader.

Show one shred of EVIDENCE that Trump has lied about anything. Go ahead. (while remembering that we have numerous CONFIRMED lies from Hillary Clinton)

He's self funding. Lie
He never declared bankruptcy. Lie
He will make Mexico pay for a wall. Lie
He was in combat in October. Lie. Oh wait, that was your lie.

 

[protectionist]

Lie of the Year goes to..... | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Just as I thought. You have nothing to show.

 

[protectionist]

He's self funding. Lie
He never declared bankruptcy. Lie
He will make Mexico pay for a wall. Lie
He was in combat in October. Lie. Oh wait, that was your lie.

None of those are lies.

Now here's Hillary's >>>

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[Interpol]

Trump supporters like the OP need to get over themselves. No one fears Donald Trump. And no one except for low information voters confuse his bluster for actual policy.

The man is a variation of that Chinese cookie cliche that goes "Your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness." He'll win the GOP nomination because he's an asshole, but lose the general election for the same reason. Average, rational, reasonable people don't want to elect America's first asshole president; no matter what, they want something steadier than that.

 

[protectionist]

Trump supporters like the OP need to get over themselves. No one fears Donald Trump. And no one except for low information voters confuse his bluster for actual policy.

The man is a variation of that Chinese cookie cliche that goes "Your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness." He'll win the GOP nomination because he's an asshole, but lose the general election for the same reason. Average, rational, reasonable people don't want to elect America's first asshole president; no matter what, they want something steadier than that.

They WILL elect him because they NEED him to keep them safe. He will be the Republican nominee, or be a 3rd party candidate with 95% of the Republican vote. Independents (and even some Democrats) will vote for him because they all know that in the end, without him, we are all in danger of nuclear annihilation from the international jihad. No Democrat has any policy to stop it. The idiots are even now supporting the ISIS pipeline. (Syrian refugees) and allowing radical mosques to flourish.

 

[Boss]

Trump supporters like the OP need to get over themselves. No one fears Donald Trump. And no one except for low information voters confuse his bluster for actual policy.

The man is a variation of that Chinese cookie cliche that goes "Your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness." He'll win the GOP nomination because he's an asshole, but lose the general election for the same reason. Average, rational, reasonable people don't want to elect America's first asshole president; no matter what, they want something steadier than that.

First of all, I am a Cruz supporter. Get that through your head before anything else. I'm simply making an observation as someone who has watched politics for more than 40 years. I'm very much not a "low information" voter, I am very informed and can argue circles around you and any liberal argument you'd like to present... any time you're ready.

It is just a flat out lie that no one is fearful of a Trump candidacy. You might like for people to think that but if Trump didn't concern any of you, we wouldn't hear a peep about him. Instead, that's all some of you can post about. Day in and day out, as if your very lives depend on whether or not he wins the GOP nomination.

And honestly, with all due respect, the radical liberal Democrat party are not representative of "average, rational or reasonable people." You're a kool-aid drinker... that's obvious. You are going to sit here and spew lies and rhetoric as fast as your little liberal fingers can type. We already know what your game plan is, we already can predict what you're going to say and do next. You're not fooling anyone and you're not changing any minds. When you chime in on these threads with the same old tired nonsense, you identify yourself as a left wing nutjob.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No one 'fears' anything about Trump – he's a ridiculous clown and not a serious candidate, he won't be the nominee.

What is troubling is the ignorance, fear, hate, and bigotry he's exposed that exists among about a third of republicans.

 

[gipper]

Except for Trump's plans to close the border, stop Muslim immigration, and take out ISIS his policies are full blown progressive left....which I guess means progressives and Ds want the border left open, Muslims allowed in, and ISIS alive.

 

[Seawytch]

Democrats don't fear Trump...Reasonably minded Republicans do (granted, they are minority in the party it seems)

 

[gipper]

Democrats don't fear Trump...Reasonably minded Republicans do (granted, they are minority in the party it seems)

Why don't Dems love Trump? He is a progressive...wants abortion continued, taxes increased on the wealthy, government healthcare for all, etc..........he hold numerous progressive views, yet progs hate him.

Might prove once again that the big left media can easily influence progs and Ds.

 

[Seawytch]

Democrats don't fear Trump...Reasonably minded Republicans do (granted, they are minority in the party it seems)

Why don't Dems love Trump? He is a progressive...wants abortion continued, taxes increased on the wealthy, government healthcare for all, etc..........he hold numerous progressive views, yet progs hate him.

Might prove once again that the big left media can easily influence progs and Ds.

Right...so explain to me again how he has dominated the GOP field since the get go?

 

[gipper]

Democrats don't fear Trump...Reasonably minded Republicans do (granted, they are minority in the party it seems)

Why don't Dems love Trump? He is a progressive...wants abortion continued, taxes increased on the wealthy, government healthcare for all, etc..........he hold numerous progressive views, yet progs hate him.

Might prove once again that the big left media can easily influence progs and Ds.

Right...so explain to me again how he has dominated the GOP field since the get go?

That's easy. He is not owned by the billionaire class like most other candidates. He wants to close the border, fix trade policies, and stop terrorism. He speaks his mind unlike the liar Cankles and most of the others.

These things mean something to some Americans.

 

[Fueri]

Say what you will about Donald Trump. The man is a successful business tycoon, everyone recognizes his name and he has made (and lost) fortunes through the years with his business acumen. He is a brash, plain-spoken, often bombastic speaker who doesn't care about what is politically correct. He is not beholden to either political party or any special interest aside from his own self interests. He certainly delivers enough caustic rhetoric for his enemies to feed on and they do... much to their chagrin, it generally tallies up to stronger poll numbers for him when they complain. But that's not the thing they fear most about Trump. None of it is.

The thing feared most about Trump from political strategists of every party, regardless of the candidate they may support, is that he is an anomaly. An unknown quantity. There is absolutely NO political history there. We simply do not know how many actual votes on ballots Trump can obtain. With any other candidate, there are some voting statistics and data to look at. You can analyze what went wrong or right in their campaign, find out how the voters felt about things or what influenced their vote... with Trump we have nothing.

Polls can be very unreliable and misleading. Most political analysts put more stock into where the money is at... who is best at fundraising? However, again with Trump, we simply have an unknown variable. He is funding his own campaign. So there is no voting data and no fundraising data. What Trump can ultimately do is unpredictable, even by the most astute political analyst.

His campaign appearances are off the charts in terms of numbers. No candidate in history has ever produced the kinds of numbers he is generating on a regular basis. Does this mean anything? We don't know. Could Trump bring something to the table that we simply cannot factor? This is the question on every political strategist's mind. We won't know until the votes start coming in and we can look at real numbers of real votes on real ballots. Until then, Trump is a giant question mark. This is what his adversaries fear the most... the great unknown.

Yep, I heard yesterday on liberal talking head radio that the phone polls are actually under representing his support.

Apparently this is true because a certain demographic, those with a college education, will not admit they will support him when asked by a human, however when the question is posed via a click through menu his support goes up by ~10%.

The assertion being that those people are embarrassed by their support and won't vocalize it, and yet do support him and therefore answer differently to the machine based poll.

I'll find the study if I can later....

ETA: pretty sure this was Tom Hartman. Heard it while rolling around on my lunch break...

 

[Seawytch]

Democrats don't fear Trump...Reasonably minded Republicans do (granted, they are minority in the party it seems)

Why don't Dems love Trump? He is a progressive...wants abortion continued, taxes increased on the wealthy, government healthcare for all, etc..........he hold numerous progressive views, yet progs hate him.

Might prove once again that the big left media can easily influence progs and Ds.

Right...so explain to me again how he has dominated the GOP field since the get go?

That's easy. He is not owned by the billionaire class like most other candidates. He wants to close the border, fix trade policies, and stop terrorism. He speaks his mind unlike the liar Cankles and most of the others.

These things mean something to some Americans.

And yet it's not Democrats supporting him, it's the GOP base.

Democrats aren't afraid of Trump...they're rooting for him. Goldwater deserves to have his record loss put to rest.