The Strange Alliance Between the Left and Muslim Extremists

[sparky]

That they declare themselves righteous is sufficient for them and they become extremely agitated when challenged on the righteousness and justice of their positions.

such are the woes of those who believe they own the high moral ground FF

~S~

 

[Foxfyre]

such are the woes of those who believe they own the high moral ground FF

~S~

Yep. That was pretty much the core thesis of the OP.

 

[MinTrut]

Fucking lies. The left supports not persecuting people for other’s sins, just like you want to shoot all Mexicans and Black Americans. You fucks now want to shoot every Palestinian at point blank range for vengeance and you’re on here masking as Jew allies when you fucks support American White Nationalists who would exterminate as many as they could. You have nothing to stand on and the Jews in American despise the GOP for its authoritarian hate culture which it remembers well from the past.

Some great points.

But you're punching down.

The Dems are aligned with Israel and it has our nations support in the Mediterranean now.

You were doing so well in your punch-down...

But you won't punch up.

You say the above as though it were somehow a good thing.

The Democrats, like the Republicans, are worse than the Vichy French, and that's quite a low bar to slither under.

Democrat and Republican support of the fascist apartheid Israeli ethno-theocratic terror state is the green light for Israel's ongoing, endless ethnic cleansing and genocide.

If you support the Democrats OR Republicans as they mindlessly back Israel, you support genocide.

 

[citygator]

Some great points.

But you're punching down.

You were doing so well in your punch-down...

But you won't punch up.

You say the above as though it were somehow a good thing.

The Democrats, like the Republicans, are worse than the Vichy French, and that's quite a low bar to slither under.

Democrat and Republican support of the fascist apartheid Israeli ethno-theocratic terror state is the green light for Israel's ongoing, endless ethnic cleansing and genocide.

If you support the Democrats OR Republicans as they mindlessly back Israel, you support genocide.

No one is fixing the Middle East. They’ve been at war forever. The US supports Israel’s right to security and to exist. That is opposed to several stated agendas in the Middle East to destroy Israel. The attack last weekend basically validates Israel’s fears about a Gaza Strip if it gets access to resources. I have no idea what the answer is but only one side has a stated agenda to destroy the other. What is your suggestion?

 

[Foxfyre]

Was getting some paper work done and listening to the radio tonight while Hombre watches the Ranger's baseball game.

And on the radio it was announced that in the last several years, various terrorist factions of the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas, Hezbollah et al) have funded and conducted more than 50,000 terrorist attacks in dozen of countries around the world with Israel winning the honor for having the most terrorist attacks inside their borders.

In that same length of time does anyone know how many terrorist attacks have been committed or funded by Israel? Zero. Nada. None. Zilch.

Now I would like the Leftists and maybe a few Right Wingers to justify their support for or refusal to condemn what Hamas is doing while heaping massive criticism on Israel.

While you're at it, how about making a case for why Israel is wrong to fight back in the current conflict.

 

[surada]

What of those statements in the OP would you say is not true of most leftists? Or most Muslims?

Or are you representative of the accuracy of the thesis of the piece that you can justify your sympatico with Muslim extremists just by ignoring and not acknowledging the significant opposing views promoted by the Left and by Islam?

Islam is conservative, dimwit.

 

[Foxfyre]

Than giving a damn whom they have to support to oppose them. Peace and success are also terrible no-goes, they don´t offer space for violent complaints.
But if you have an actual leftist government that indeed takes care of the people, they show zero interest, realizing people will have to work there.

But how does that explain most of the American left supporting Hamas or at least taking the Palestinian side and ignoring the fact that the Palestinians started this war in the most cruel, hateful, indefensible way possible?

 

[Foxfyre]

Islam is conservative, dimwit.

They are conservative in requiring obedience to the Quran oh brilliant one (cough). They are not at all conservative in taking a live and let live approach, i.e. you stay of my face and business and I'll stay out of yours. They are not at all conservative in recognizing individual unalienable rights or free speech or love your neighbor. They are not at all conservative in promoting and exercising totalitarian government regardless of how they label it.

While fully realizing that all Muslims are not totalitarian/terrorists/jihadists, , to equate those who are with American conservatism is not only dimwitted, but incredibly ignorant. They are absolutely leftist in their methods and politics.

So is that why leftists support them so religiously even though Islam's 'conservative' side supports so many policies the leftists hate except a mutual hatred of Israel?

 

[Bleipriester]

But how does that explain most of the American left supporting Hamas or at least taking the Palestinian side and ignoring the fact that the Palestinians started this war in the most cruel, hateful, indefensible way possible?

Israel has a right-wing government. The American left-wingers are probably constantly exposed to news related to the alleged malice of Israel. They don´t have news on that they or Jews cannot live in the Gaza-Strip (unless they are friendly journalists or donors). It is similar to the right-wingers´ view on Venezuela. Alleged socialism (which they don´t have) caused the crisis in Venezuela, not the US sanctions, according to their news.

 

[eagle1462010]

as well it should FF

but even that finds it's way to justification

my pop was 19 , when he rolled into Dachau

he still struggles with what he saw 70 yrs later

well that equation is lopsided via partisans

they can't be objective, too caught up in the fear and hate spewed out from government sources (all of them)

for ex, those mired in the subjective view our leaders (pix i posted) making time with the devil

while the muslim community thinks the very same (great satan) thing.....

~S~

Would your father want to stand by and allow another Dachau??

If Israel ever loses the muslims would kill every man woman and child.

The arab world can lose many battles, Wars. Israel cant lose 1. They will all die and they know it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Israel has a right-wing government. The American left-wingers are probably constantly exposed to news related to the alleged malice of Israel. They don´t have news on that they or Jews cannot live in the Gaza-Strip (unless they are friendly journalists or donors). It is similar to the right-wingers´ view on Venezuela. Alleged socialism (which they don´t have) caused the crisis in Venezuela, not the US sanctions, according to their news.

Does Israel have a right wing government though? In what way?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It seems mystifying how the American and European left can so strongly support Hamas and other components of a "Muslim Brotherhood' no matter how they carry out their manifestos:

"The left supports women’s rights and full equality in the workplace and public sphere. Militant Muslims oppose them.

The left supports gay rights and gay marriage. Militant Muslims toss gays off buildings. None would dare hold a public march in Pakistan, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

The left supports abortion rights. Militant Muslims oppose them.

The left supports religious freedom, including the right to reject religion altogether. Militant Muslims believe heretics should be executed.

The left rallies against book banning. Militant Muslims embrace it for any book they believe insults Islam or supports Israel.

The left opposes the death penalty. Militant Muslims endorse it and praise their governments for using it."

The only answers I can come up with is a) Hatred of Israel and b) lack of any moral center in the current and previous conflicts.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/10/15/the_sick_alliance_between_the_left_and_muslim_extremists_149901.html

Not strange at all when they all want the same things: Death to America, Death to Israel

 

[Foxfyre]

Not strange at all when they all want the same things: Death to America, Death to Israel

Well both the left and right love their kids, mom and apple pie too. But it is policy differences that has the left and right at moral, philosophical and political odds in America.

How is it that the left can so damn Americans for being un-PC or un-woke or pro-traditional family/morals/culture and ignore Islamic policy and beliefs that are diabolically opposed to everything the left preaches?

Is it they have no real convictions or principles or values but hatred of America and Israel is the primary driver? I really don't want to think that but. . .

 

[Bleipriester]

Does Israel have a right wing government though? In what way?

Read here:

Israel moves sharply to right as Netanyahu forms new coalition

Weeks of negotiations conclude with what will be the most rightwing and anti-Arab government in country’s history

www.theguardian.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well both the left and right love their kids, mom and apple pie too. But it is policy differences that has the left and right at moral, philosophical and political odds in America.

How is it that the left can so damn Americans for being un-PC or un-woke or pro-traditional family/morals/culture and ignore policy and beliefs that are diabolically opposed to everything the left preaches?

Is it they have no real convictions or principles or values but hatred of America and Israel is the primary driver? I really don't want to think that but. . .

I'm not saying it ALL, but it's reached a critical mass and it just going to take one spark to set the whole thing off. I mean I NEVER thought Id live to see the day when people CHEERED on Hamas in the streets on America. We the People have been too complacent, too quiet for far too long. It's not up to the Feckless Republican Party and it sure as Hell not up to Trump to set things right. The "Elites" who believe they are our Leaders rather than our representatives, need an attitude adjustment

 

[José]

I think I'm gonna start a new thread entitled:

The strange idea of racist Jews and super patriotic american clowns according to which people who don't believe in the separation between church and state doesn't have a right to fight for their stolen homeland.

Ahmed Yassin
Hamas' founder​

Ahmed Yassin was born in al-Jura, a small village near the city of Ashkelon, in the British Mandate of Palestine.

He and his entire family fled to Gaza, settling in al-Shati Camp after his village was ethnically cleansed by the Israeli Defense Forces during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

Ahmed Yassin - Wikipedia

 

[Foxfyre]

Read here:

Israel moves sharply to right as Netanyahu forms new coalition

Weeks of negotiations conclude with what will be the most rightwing and anti-Arab government in country’s history

www.theguardian.com

And other sources say that Netanyahu replaced a hard right government.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm not saying it ALL, but it's reached a critical mass and it just going to take one spark to set the whole thing off. I mean I NEVER thought Id live to see the day when people CHEERED on Hamas in the streets on America. We the People have been too complacent, too quiet for far too long. It's not up to the Feckless Republican Party and it sure as Hell not up to Trump to set things right. The "Elites" who believe they are our Leaders rather than our representatives, need an attitude adjustment

Among recent federal leaders though, Trump was the only one who had any clout who told it like it is however un-PC or unpopular that was. Everybody else right of center mutters PC stuff or tepid/timid criticisms. And the left are so squishy on any kind of values or principles and put political power first and foremost, who knows what they really think about much of anything?

 

[Foxfyre]

such are the woes of those who believe they own the high moral ground FF

~S~

I suppose sparky. I honestly believe those who put value on concepts that founded America and allowed it to correct its mistakes and become a great nation did hold the moral high ground. They didn't claim it or even really invent the system they chose. They just believed in values, principles, moral centers that have sustained our civilization in positive ways that leftist ideology never had, never could, never will. Their great experiment has stood the test of time.

And the American left and other left and Islamic extremists hold pretty much every single one of those values, principles, moral center in high disdain to the point they will resort to verbal, political, physical violence to tear it all down.

 

[Bleipriester]

And other sources say that Netanyahu replaced a hard right government.

Also true. Bennet is more right-wing than Netanyahu but his views on Israel´s security differ from Netanyahu´s.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

Head of the Israeli right-wing coalition party Jewish Home and Minister of Education Naftali Bennett criticized the stiff security policy which he said is the main risk and "constantly leads people towards conflict". He stressed that the main threat is posed by "intellectual rigor" and not by...

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