The State of the Black Union

[Asclepias]

This statement says it all. It is inaccurate because free blacks were counted as a whole and slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person strictly for the purposes of congressional enumeration. It begs the question of whether you wished they had been counted as a whole, which in fact, is obviously the case for the below statement. Of course, if they were counted as a whole history would have been bent in favor of the South. The ignorance displayed below was all I needed to demonstrate your omissions of US history as to stoke racial animosity, or perhaps worse, your fundamental misunderstanding of US history. You aren't worth my time if you cant see that the below statement is dead wrong.

Now I see your issue with my statement. Instead of Blacks I should have said Black slaves. I was wrong not to include the word in there. My point in saying that was to point out the hypocrisy in the white power establishment a lot of our schools were named after. Instead of focusing on the point, my omission of one word gave you a small window to move the goal posts instead of addressing that point. You are too funny for words.

If you use false claims so as to make your point I will show why your claims have no merit. This is a legitimate part of argument. You said that "blacks were only considered 3/5ths of a human." This is wrong on a number of counts and mis-framing and omitting most of my argument is not going to make your case.

1. They were not CONSIDERED as 3/5ths a "HUMAN." They were counted as 3/5ths a person during the census for the purposes of congressional enumeration in the House of Representatives. BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!
2. Free blacks, and there were many of them, were counted as a whole. The 3/5ths compromise applied to slaves, not free blacks.
3. You're statement demands that blacks should have been counted as a "whole human" which would have been disastrous for eventual abolition and civil rights.

You are the one complaining that white people are omitting and distorting black history. Yet when it comes to framing falsehoods of black/US history so as to stoke racial animosity in the name of racial solidarity you are guilty as charged. If you can't understand why your statement was a load of crap then you aren't worth anyone's time on historical matters. If your going to criticize someone you should criticize them for legitimate and factual reasons. You do not make up falsehoods so as to dupe and radicalize impressionable young blacks into a black nationalist agenda! Which, of course, is no doubt what you pride yourself in.

On Frederick Douglass and the 3/5ths compromise.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRihWygtLA]The 3/5 Clause Of The Constitution Explained - YouTube[/ame]

1. What exactly is the huge difference in "person" and "human" that confused you enough to move the goal posts?

2. I already stated I was speaking in general terms. Again I apologize for not being specific as that was a very insignificant part of my post as you highlighted.

3. Who told you my statement demanded anything but for you to address the hypocrisy in making heros of people that supported slavery? What I see is that you have to make that leap in order to get off the subject. Curiously you still are avoiding it. The hypocrisy of pointing out what Blacks were naming schools when your founding fathers have schools named after them.

Remember this. I was talking to you, an adult. I was not talking to a child and explaining the 3/5ths compromise. You have ran from the point long enough. Take a stand.

 

[Publius1787]

Now I see your issue with my statement. Instead of Blacks I should have said Black slaves. I was wrong not to include the word in there. My point in saying that was to point out the hypocrisy in the white power establishment a lot of our schools were named after. Instead of focusing on the point, my omission of one word gave you a small window to move the goal posts instead of addressing that point. You are too funny for words.

If you use false claims so as to make your point I will show why your claims have no merit. This is a legitimate part of argument. You said that "blacks were only considered 3/5ths of a human." This is wrong on a number of counts and mis-framing and omitting most of my argument is not going to make your case.

1. They were not CONSIDERED as 3/5ths a "HUMAN." They were counted as 3/5ths a person during the census for the purposes of congressional enumeration in the House of Representatives. BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!
2. Free blacks, and there were many of them, were counted as a whole. The 3/5ths compromise applied to slaves, not free blacks.
3. You're statement demands that blacks should have been counted as a "whole human" which would have been disastrous for eventual abolition and civil rights.

You are the one complaining that white people are omitting and distorting black history. Yet when it comes to framing falsehoods of black/US history so as to stoke racial animosity in the name of racial solidarity you are guilty as charged. If you can't understand why your statement was a load of crap then you aren't worth anyone's time on historical matters. If your going to criticize someone you should criticize them for legitimate and factual reasons. You do not make up falsehoods so as to dupe and radicalize impressionable young blacks into a black nationalist agenda! Which, of course, is no doubt what you pride yourself in.

On Frederick Douglass and the 3/5ths compromise.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRihWygtLA]The 3/5 Clause Of The Constitution Explained - YouTube[/ame]

1. What exactly is the huge difference in "person" and "human" that confused you enough to move the goal posts?

2. I already stated I was speaking in general terms. Again I apologize for not being specific as that was a very insignificant part of my post as you highlighted.

3. Who told you my statement demanded anything but for you to address the hypocrisy in making heros of people that supported slavery? What I see is that you have to make that leap in order to get off the subject. Curiously you still are avoiding it. The hypocrisy of pointing out what Blacks were naming schools when your founding fathers have schools named after them.

Remember this. I was talking to you, an adult. I was not talking to a child and explaining the 3/5ths compromise. You have ran from the point long enough. Take a stand.

More evidence that you will defend such blatant and inaccurate historic assumptions no matter how wrong they turn out to be. This conversation is over. You cannot argue in good faith when the person your arguing with does not concede the most trivial and obvious of facts. If you cannot see the error of your ways in your justification for denouncing the founding fathers, of which there is plenty to criticize but you seem to enjoy making up unwarranted criticisms, then there is no need for us to continue further. You cannot argue honestly with someone who will never concede the truth no matter how obvious it is. It is an exercise in futility, whereas the person you're speaking to loves to talk at you, but hates to listen. Whereas he loves to claim he is right, but will never concede that he is wrong; especially during the times when it is most obvious that he is wrong.

 

[Asclepias]

If you use false claims so as to make your point I will show why your claims have no merit. This is a legitimate part of argument. You said that "blacks were only considered 3/5ths of a human." This is wrong on a number of counts and mis-framing and omitting most of my argument is not going to make your case.

1. They were not CONSIDERED as 3/5ths a "HUMAN." They were counted as 3/5ths a person during the census for the purposes of congressional enumeration in the House of Representatives. BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!
2. Free blacks, and there were many of them, were counted as a whole. The 3/5ths compromise applied to slaves, not free blacks.
3. You're statement demands that blacks should have been counted as a "whole human" which would have been disastrous for eventual abolition and civil rights.

You are the one complaining that white people are omitting and distorting black history. Yet when it comes to framing falsehoods of black/US history so as to stoke racial animosity in the name of racial solidarity you are guilty as charged. If you can't understand why your statement was a load of crap then you aren't worth anyone's time on historical matters. If your going to criticize someone you should criticize them for legitimate and factual reasons. You do not make up falsehoods so as to dupe and radicalize impressionable young blacks into a black nationalist agenda! Which, of course, is no doubt what you pride yourself in.

On Frederick Douglass and the 3/5ths compromise.

The 3/5 Clause Of The Constitution Explained - YouTube

1. What exactly is the huge difference in "person" and "human" that confused you enough to move the goal posts?

2. I already stated I was speaking in general terms. Again I apologize for not being specific as that was a very insignificant part of my post as you highlighted.

3. Who told you my statement demanded anything but for you to address the hypocrisy in making heros of people that supported slavery? What I see is that you have to make that leap in order to get off the subject. Curiously you still are avoiding it. The hypocrisy of pointing out what Blacks were naming schools when your founding fathers have schools named after them.

Remember this. I was talking to you, an adult. I was not talking to a child and explaining the 3/5ths compromise. You have ran from the point long enough. Take a stand.

More evidence that you will defend such blatant and inaccurate historic assumptions no matter how wrong they turn out to be. This conversation is over. You cannot argue in good faith when the person your arguing with does not concede the most trivial and obvious of facts. If you cannot see the error of your ways in your justification for denouncing the founding fathers, of which there is plenty to criticize but you seem to enjoy making up unwarranted criticisms, then there is no need for us to continue further. You cannot argue honestly with someone who will never concede the truth no matter how obvious it is. It is an exercise in futility, whereas the person you're speaking to loves to talk at you, but hates to listen. Whereas he loves to claim he is right, but will never concede that he is wrong; especially during the times when it is most obvious that he is wrong.

What are you babbling about now instead of addressing my point? You moved the goal posts because you didn't like my use of "human" instead of "person". However you cannot explain the significant difference you claim the two terms have. Why not? Please do that after answering my original point regarding your hypocrisy. i dont allow goal post moving until the main point is addressed.

 

[Asclepias]

You see Pubis, when you attack naming African centered schools after Black African heroes you need to have a better reason than they supported Stalin. If you don't then I will point out how silly you are when the founding fathers literally founded this nation on the backs of humans that they bargained down to 3/5ths of a person. In doing so they set into motion the entrenched and convenient notion that Africans were not humans. This applied to free Blacks as well as slaves. Those founding fathers are also the founding fathers of the most exploitative and barbaric racial caste system ever devised on the face of this planet. What Stalin did is nothing compared to what these cats set in motion.

 

[Publius1787]

You see Pubis, when you attack naming African centered schools after Black African heroes you need to have a better reason than they supported Stalin. If you don't then I will point out how silly you are when the founding fathers literally founded this nation on the backs of humans that they bargained down to 3/5ths of a person. In doing so they set into motion the entrenched and convenient notion that Africans were not humans. This applied to free Blacks as well as slaves. Those founding fathers are also the founding fathers of the most exploitative and barbaric racial caste system ever devised on the face of this planet. What Stalin did is nothing compared to what these cats set in motion.

The sad thing is that you really believe that. Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

 

[Asclepias]

You see Pubis, when you attack naming African centered schools after Black African heroes you need to have a better reason than they supported Stalin. If you don't then I will point out how silly you are when the founding fathers literally founded this nation on the backs of humans that they bargained down to 3/5ths of a person. In doing so they set into motion the entrenched and convenient notion that Africans were not humans. This applied to free Blacks as well as slaves. Those founding fathers are also the founding fathers of the most exploitative and barbaric racial caste system ever devised on the face of this planet. What Stalin did is nothing compared to what these cats set in motion.

The sad thing is that you really believe that. Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

The sad thing is that your link is not even credible but thanks for linking that. While this is an impressive list of white culture at work I don't see anything about deaths caused by slavery, Jim crow, police brutality etc here in the US. Looks more like a link trying to prove Stalin was the worst white guy ever. Still think white culture is superior?

 

[Publius1787]

You see Pubis, when you attack naming African centered schools after Black African heroes you need to have a better reason than they supported Stalin. If you don't then I will point out how silly you are when the founding fathers literally founded this nation on the backs of humans that they bargained down to 3/5ths of a person. In doing so they set into motion the entrenched and convenient notion that Africans were not humans. This applied to free Blacks as well as slaves. Those founding fathers are also the founding fathers of the most exploitative and barbaric racial caste system ever devised on the face of this planet. What Stalin did is nothing compared to what these cats set in motion.

The sad thing is that you really believe that. Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

The sad thing is that your link is not even credible but thanks for linking that. While this is an impressive list of white culture at work I don't see anything about deaths caused by slavery, Jim crow, police brutality etc here in the US. Looks more like a link trying to prove Stalin was the worst white guy ever. Still think white culture is superior?

It indeed has always puzzled me why Africans went to Western schools and adopted the socialism they picked up there and applied it upon independence as a means to reject white culture.

But as I have observed before, you have no credibility on even the most obvious of historical matters. I'm sorry I replied.

 

[Asclepias]

The sad thing is that you really believe that. Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

The sad thing is that your link is not even credible but thanks for linking that. While this is an impressive list of white culture at work I don't see anything about deaths caused by slavery, Jim crow, police brutality etc here in the US. Looks more like a link trying to prove Stalin was the worst white guy ever. Still think white culture is superior?

It indeed has always puzzled me why Africans went to Western schools and adopted the socialism they picked up there and applied it upon independence as a means to reject white culture.

But as I have observed before, you have no credibility on even the most obvious of historical matters. I'm sorry I replied.

I'm glad you are sorry. Next time get your flawed arguments together before attempting to debate me. You should really stop trying to move the goal post when you are being shown how silly your logic is.

 

[JQPublic1]

If you believe in white privilege then you must cede that you have black privilege because you could be stuck in Africa right now. Just think of all those privileges you enjoy in white mans civilization that you would be stripped of were you in Africa. You lucky dog! Perhaps we should charge you reparations for the increase in wealth you've acquired as opposed to being poor in Africa?

You're making quite an assumption here! Recent immigrants from Africa seem to have enough money to make the trip and send their children to the best universities in the USA, the UK and number of other western countries. I might add that these Africans are performing as well as or better, academically, than the Asians. An African renaissance has started in some African countries. Obviously its time for a re-evaluation on your part!

Something tells me that these immigrants were not living in squalor as African citizens and they are not living in squalor anywhere they migrate to.. Some have built enclaves based on the Chinatown model; the difference is that crime is reputed to be almost non existent in the Black immigrant communities. Further, it is reported that in some places where they live among American Blacks, African immigrants have assumed a positive role in curbing crime .. Advanced degrees and technical skills empower these Africans to transform communities in myriad positive ways.

I agree that Africans preform well in US schools. I likewise know based on studies cited by John Hope Franklyn that US blacks have animosity toward Africans who come here an assimilate more with the white population than that of the black population. Christianbook.com: From Slavery to Freedom: A History of African Americans -9th edition: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham: 9780072963786 . In either case, this is easily explainable. African American culture is not African culture. Some African cultures do well here because they don't take things for granted. Some do well here because they can't achieve in their home countries because of violence and corruption. Most do well because they come from the corrupt and politically well connected elites of their home countries which make up the largest amount of foreign African students. In any case, they are the exception and not the rule in Africa. You will note that those who do the best come from whatever country stayed closest to their colonial models. On the whole, however, not even one percent of Africans get the opportunity to go to higher level schools (Forget college) and most live in squalor. The average West African makes less than $400 per year. You can spin it all you want, however, black Africa is among the lowest of the low places to live.

One more thing, if an African who was raised in poverty, violence, and squalor can achieve as you say, then what is the excuse for African Americans?

Africa has the potential to become an emerging economy, however, Africans are going to need to establish security and stave off corruption if they are ever going to hope to advance in the world. As of yet, I don't se it. If they aren't politically well connected or corrupt, they're going to need to rely on our benevolence to get here. That isn't happening to any great extent. Indeed, no one wants to loan them money because they have a record of not paying it back and no one wants to give them aid because they just have more babies they can't afford to feed. Some parts of Africa are advanced (Thank God for European Colonialism!), still most are not. On the whole they have hundreds of years of catching up to do.
Africa Hunger and Poverty Facts
Poverty | Data
Poverty ? Our Africa
Poverty Facts and Stats ? Global Issues
Poverty in Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Africa?s Challenge to End Extreme Poverty by 2030: Too Slow or Too Far Behind? | Brookings Institution

Here Thomas Sowell goes into detail on how some can achieve in one area but not the next. (I'm quite tired, forgive my sentence structure)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_bKJ11O0M]Thomas Sowell - Culture Matters - YouTube[/ame]


Africa?s Challenge to End Extreme Poverty by 2030: Too Slow or Too Far Behind? | Brookings Institution

I think the wording in my signature speaks volumes about the "State of the Black American Union." It appears your "strawman" of an op is conjectural to say the least!

 

[Publius1787]

You're making quite an assumption here! Recent immigrants from Africa seem to have enough money to make the trip and send their children to the best universities in the USA, the UK and number of other western countries. I might add that these Africans are performing as well as or better, academically, than the Asians. An African renaissance has started in some African countries. Obviously its time for a re-evaluation on your part!

Something tells me that these immigrants were not living in squalor as African citizens and they are not living in squalor anywhere they migrate to.. Some have built enclaves based on the Chinatown model; the difference is that crime is reputed to be almost non existent in the Black immigrant communities. Further, it is reported that in some places where they live among American Blacks, African immigrants have assumed a positive role in curbing crime .. Advanced degrees and technical skills empower these Africans to transform communities in myriad positive ways.

I agree that Africans preform well in US schools. I likewise know based on studies cited by John Hope Franklyn that US blacks have animosity toward Africans who come here an assimilate more with the white population than that of the black population. Christianbook.com: From Slavery to Freedom: A History of African Americans -9th edition: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham: 9780072963786 . In either case, this is easily explainable. African American culture is not African culture. Some African cultures do well here because they don't take things for granted. Some do well here because they can't achieve in their home countries because of violence and corruption. Most do well because they come from the corrupt and politically well connected elites of their home countries which make up the largest amount of foreign African students. In any case, they are the exception and not the rule in Africa. You will note that those who do the best come from whatever country stayed closest to their colonial models. On the whole, however, not even one percent of Africans get the opportunity to go to higher level schools (Forget college) and most live in squalor. The average West African makes less than $400 per year. You can spin it all you want, however, black Africa is among the lowest of the low places to live.

One more thing, if an African who was raised in poverty, violence, and squalor can achieve as you say, then what is the excuse for African Americans?

Africa has the potential to become an emerging economy, however, Africans are going to need to establish security and stave off corruption if they are ever going to hope to advance in the world. As of yet, I don't se it. If they aren't politically well connected or corrupt, they're going to need to rely on our benevolence to get here. That isn't happening to any great extent. Indeed, no one wants to loan them money because they have a record of not paying it back and no one wants to give them aid because they just have more babies they can't afford to feed. Some parts of Africa are advanced (Thank God for European Colonialism!), still most are not. On the whole they have hundreds of years of catching up to do.
Africa Hunger and Poverty Facts
Poverty | Data
Poverty ? Our Africa
Poverty Facts and Stats ? Global Issues
Poverty in Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Africa?s Challenge to End Extreme Poverty by 2030: Too Slow or Too Far Behind? | Brookings Institution

Here Thomas Sowell goes into detail on how some can achieve in one area but not the next. (I'm quite tired, forgive my sentence structure)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_bKJ11O0M]Thomas Sowell - Culture Matters - YouTube[/ame]


Africa?s Challenge to End Extreme Poverty by 2030: Too Slow or Too Far Behind? | Brookings Institution

I think the wording in my signature speaks volumes about the "State of the Black American Union." It appears your "strawman" of an op is conjectural to say the least!

That's a lot of EBT cards!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII]Chapter Jackson - It's Free Swipe Yo EBT (Explicit) - YouTube[/ame] .

 

[JQPublic1]

I agree that Africans preform well in US schools. I likewise know based on studies cited by John Hope Franklyn that US blacks have animosity toward Africans who come here an assimilate more with the white population than that of the black population. Christianbook.com: From Slavery to Freedom: A History of African Americans -9th edition: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham: 9780072963786 .

While my admiration for the late great John Hope Franklin remains undiminished, if he indeed said the words you posted and ascribed to him… he erred by using a generalization. Your link was useless as it referred only to a book with no synopsis anywhere on the page referencing what you cited.. Perhaps you would be so kind as to reference the page number and exact quote. That would be helpful.

Meanwhile, try to digest this synopsis and the article linked. The Ethiopian author depicts a different story about his own experiences as an Immigrant.

When Africans immigrate to America, they confront racism, perhaps for the first time. The longer they live in this country and become African-Americans, they realize they are identified more by the color of their skin than by their nationality. Race can complicate the process of assimilation for African immigrants.

MPR: Problems of assimilation​

 

[JQPublic1]

African American culture is not African culture. Some African cultures do well here because they don't take things for granted.

So, you believe American Blacks take things for granted. Well, you could be right. They do take white racism and prejudice for granted. You are living proof that it still exists. Despite the factual basis offered by my premise, millions of native born African Americans still succeed. That BS about “taking things for granted” as a barrier to success doesn’t wash. Recent African immigrants are succeeding here because they are brilliant and full of self esteem. That esteem is bolstered by not having been raised in a majority racist country.

Some do well here because they can't achieve in their home countries because of violence and corruption.

Kinda like the good ol days when the KKK did the same thing to Blacks here.
Corruption, though, is not limited to Africa…the USA has always shown signs of corruption too. Moreover, white and Asian immigrants come here for the same reasons:
they cannot achieve in their home countries because of political ideology, violence and/or corruption!

But what is behind this global corruption and poverty. Some experts say it’s the work of the US backed IMF and the World Bank. Loans to developing nations are made through these agencies with usurious rates attached as well as economically debilitating demands.

Most do well because they come from the corrupt and politically well connected elites of their home countries which make up the largest amount of foreign African students.

Regardless of where they come from, its their cognitive ability that counts. Besides, African immigrants are model minorities everywhere they go. Crime among them is virtually non existent. There are no signs of the corruption you seem to postulate so obsessively.

In any case, they are the exception and not the rule in Africa.

Perhaps you ought to break it down by country. Africa is a diverse continent!

You will note that those who do the best come from whatever country stayed closest to their colonial models.

I don’t know that to be true and I doubt if you do!

On the whole, however, not even one percent of Africans get the opportunity to go to higher level schools (Forget college) and most live in squalor.

No citation? But if true, who knows what talent the world is missing out on because of it!?

The average West African makes less than $400 per year. You can spin it all you want, however, black Africa is among the lowest of the low places to live.

Again, you generalize Africa as a collective of poor Blacks when in fact some African countries have a GDP higher than those of some Western nations.


South Africa, Egypt and Nigeria rank above Belgium, Sweden, Austria and Switzerland in GDP ( Purchasing Power).

Even the Congo, where the darkest Blacks live, is #135 on the list with a GDP over 18 Billion dollars. That puts them ahead of Iceland #148; Malta #152; Monaco#166; Liechtenstein#179; and Jersey#170.

The ten lowest ranked countries are not even in Africa. Most are S.E. Asian or in Oceania.
I am not yet prepared to call you a liar but your information seems to have come from faulty sources!

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

 

[Publius1787]

African American culture is not African culture. Some African cultures do well here because they don't take things for granted.

So, you believe American Blacks take things for granted. Well, you could be right. They do take white racism and prejudice for granted. You are living proof that it still exists. Despite the factual basis offered by my premise, millions of native born African Americans still succeed. That BS about “taking things for granted” as a barrier to success doesn’t wash. Recent African immigrants are succeeding here because they are brilliant and full of self esteem. That esteem is bolstered by not having been raised in a majority racist country.

Foreigners on the whole take education more seriously than both white and black Americans. What can I say but the obvious? We take education for granted. This doesn't change the fact that blacks don't take their education as seriously as whites or as Africans do. Indeed, many foreigners come to this country from families with no education and do better than the native born population. What's the excuse for American blacks? Racism? Discrimination? If that is the case than why doesn't the same excuse apply to foreigners who do much better than American blacks? The answer is obvious.

Some do well here because they can't achieve in their home countries because of violence and corruption.

Kinda like the good ol days when the KKK did the same thing to Blacks here.
Corruption, though, is not limited to Africa…the USA has always shown signs of corruption too. Moreover, white and Asian immigrants come here for the same reasons:
they cannot achieve in their home countries because of political ideology, violence and/or corruption!

But what is behind this global corruption and poverty. Some experts say it’s the work of the US backed IMF and the World Bank. Loans to developing nations are made through these agencies with usurious rates attached as well as economically debilitating demands.

WTF, corruption is not nearly as bad here as it is in Africa. Not even close! Have you ever been to Africa? Bribery and corruption is a way of life from the highest government official to the local police officer. I speak from experience. What the hell are you talking about?

The IMF? Do you have any clue how many times a slew of African countries have been forgiven in their debts? It's kinda hard to get a loan when you have a proven record of not paying them back. Just ask Nkrumah about the validity of that statement!

Regardless of where they come from, its their cognitive ability that counts. Besides, African immigrants are model minorities everywhere they go. Crime among them is virtually non existent. There are no signs of the corruption you seem to postulate so obsessively.

Indeed, Africans are peaceful as little lambs when they are in the minority. This doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of African students that come here are from the governing elite classes who are more often than not politically well connected and corrupt.

Perhaps you ought to break it down by country. Africa is a diverse continent!

You addressed Africans. You want me to break it down? If this is the case you should have noted the specific countries that apply to your argument, however, don't crack at me for addressing the same thing you were.

I don’t know that to be true and I doubt if you do!

Having been to two African countries and studied African history, African political systems, and African economies in college, I can safely say that I am correct.

On the whole, however, not even one percent of Africans get the opportunity to go to higher level schools (Forget college) and most live in squalor.

No citation? But if true, who knows what talent the world is missing out on because of it!?

Your citation Worldmapper: The world as you've never seen it before

No doubt they are losing out. However, before education must come security, stability, less corruption, and more rule of law.

The average West African makes less than $400 per year. You can spin it all you want, however, black Africa is among the lowest of the low places to live.

Again, you generalize Africa as a collective of poor Blacks when in fact some African countries have a GDP higher than those of some Western nations.

South Africa, Egypt and Nigeria rank above Belgium, Sweden, Austria and Switzerland in GDP ( Purchasing Power).

Even the Congo, where the darkest Blacks live, is #135 on the list with a GDP over 18 Billion dollars. That puts them ahead of Iceland #148; Malta #152; Monaco#166; Liechtenstein#179; and Jersey#170.

The ten lowest ranked countries are not even in Africa. Most are S.E. Asian or in Oceania.
I am not yet prepared to call you a liar but your information seems to have come from faulty sources!

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

You must truly be ignorant of the fact that GDP does not translate to a successful, or even influential, nation. Nevertheless, lets use you're model by breaking it down to GDP PER CAPITA and see if we can detect some differences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita


#2 Liechtenstein
#4 Monaco
#5 Jersey
#7 Switzerland
#11 Austria
#14 Sweden
#16 Iceland
#19 Belgium
#37 Malta

#83 South Africa: Whites built that economy by the way and it is quickly being ruined. Oh, and I've been to South Africa.
#101 Egypt
#129 Congo Rep
#143 Nigeria: I've been to this one too by the way.
#DEAD LAST: Congo Dem Rep

Bottom 10 Counties in GDP Per Capita: ALL FROM AFRICA!!!

186 South Sudan
187 Malawi
188 Central African Republic
189 Eritrea
190 Niger
191 Liberia
192 Burundi
193 Somalia
194 Zimbabwe
195 Congo, Dem. Rep.

GDP is not purchasing power! The GDP is simply the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a year, or other given period of time. For example: a country with 1,000,000 people that each produce the equivalent of $10 does not have the same purchasing power as a small island country with 5 people on it who produce $1,000,000 each. You would look at the GDP and see that one country has a GDP of $10,000,000 and the other has a GDP of $5,000,000 and gleefully exclaim that the country with the larger GDP has more purchasing power, when in reality, the country with the largest GDP can't feed/educate/fund itself and the country with less GDP not only can feed itself but can spend more for social programs and defense as well. This is why your GDP example is laughable and the fact that you couldn't see this before you posted your RIDICULOUS response is boggling to the mind and now you've placed me in a position in which I am forced to question your education!

Consumer spending + Investment (Private) + Government Spending + (Exports - Imports) = GDP

GDP Per capita, however, is a standard of living indicator. It takes into account GDP per head. Indeed, it is VERY misleading to compare the GDP's of a populous poor country to a less populous rich country. Welcome to Economics 101 for dummies!

You want to play this game with me and indicate that I'm a liar? But then again, perhaps I am a liar. As it turns out I lied about the average income for West Africans. I said it was $400. In reality it is $309 (See below). My use of old data was indeed misleading. As it turns out the situation favors my argument even more than I thought.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXT...agePK:34370~piPK:42768~theSitePK:4607,00.html

The average yearly income for each person in West Africa is $309. This compares with an average yearly income for each person in Sub-Saharan Africa of $470.

In 1999, it was estimated that $800 million that could have been used for development was instead diverted into conflicts.

West Africa is lagging in efforts to meet the Millennium Development Goals
•Over 55 percent of West Africans life on less than $1 a day;
•Life expectancy at birth is only 46 years;
•Secondary school enrollment is at 20 percent;
•Forty-two percent of adults are illiterate;
•Malnutrition affects 29 percent of children under the age of five.

Basic Services Underdeveloped
•Only about 10 percent of the overall population has access to electricity. In rural areas this figure can be as low as 1 percent.
•The area also has among the world's lowest penetration for telecommunications services. Only 3.39 percent of people had access to a telephone as of late last year, compared to a world average of around 36 percent.
•In 2002, only about 63 percent of ECOWAS' 245 million people had access to a safe water supply.

Conflict Five countries in West Africa are currently affected by conflict. They are Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.

In 2003, 65 percent of West Africa's population lived in countries severely affected by conflict.

Over the past 15 years, nine of the 15 members of ECOWAS have experienced conflict ranging from high intensity civil wars to violence during elections.

One of the most common reasons advanced for the prevalence of conflict is weak governance. The area accounts for more than 70 percent of military coups in Africa. There is a high degree of illicit trade in diamonds and timber, which can be directly related to the conflict. In Liberia it is estimated to be more than $60 million a year and Sierra Leone more than $25 million.

Conflict in Cote d'Ivoire has been particularly damaging for the region. It serves as a regional hub for landlocked countries in the region, meaning that neighboring countries depend heavily on it for imports and exports. For example 43 percent of Mali's exports and 77 percent of Burkina Faso's exports are shipped through Abidjan.

Maintaining peace in the region is seen as a prerequisite for improving its development outcomes.

 

[Publius1787]

I agree that Africans preform well in US schools. I likewise know based on studies cited by John Hope Franklyn that US blacks have animosity toward Africans who come here an assimilate more with the white population than that of the black population. Christianbook.com: From Slavery to Freedom: A History of African Americans -9th edition: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham: 9780072963786 .

While my admiration for the late great John Hope Franklin remains undiminished, if he indeed said the words you posted and ascribed to him… he erred by using a generalization. Your link was useless as it referred only to a book with no synopsis anywhere on the page referencing what you cited.. Perhaps you would be so kind as to reference the page number and exact quote. That would be helpful.

Meanwhile, try to digest this synopsis and the article linked. The Ethiopian author depicts a different story about his own experiences as an Immigrant.

When Africans immigrate to America, they confront racism, perhaps for the first time. The longer they live in this country and become African-Americans, they realize they are identified more by the color of their skin than by their nationality. Race can complicate the process of assimilation for African immigrants.

MPR: Problems of assimilation​

Franklin, John H., and Evelyn B. Higginbotham. From Slavery to Freedom. 9th ed. (New York: McGraw Hill, 2011) pp. 632-633. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Freedom-John-Hope-Franklin/dp/0072963786]From Slavery to Freedom: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Higginbotham: 9780072963786: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

"Both Afro Caribbean and African immigrants boast greater median incomes than African Americans, a fact that some scholars attribute to their higher educational attainment and also to both immigrant groups' willingness to accept positions in nursing care and other service occupations in which African Americans are not generally employed.
Black people in the United States can hardly be viewed as a unified body. They have competing interests and conflicting loyalties and ethnic identities. Much of the tension between African Americans and African-descended immigrant groups (Afro Caribbeans and Africans) centers on issues of employment and social mobility. ...
Black immigrants report that they experience less discrimination than do African Americans. ... ...
Scholars note that black immigrants often view African Americans as lazy and racially hypersensitive, while African Americans resent the upward social mobility of immigrants."

Indeed, isn't it funny that there is no "discrimination barrier" for Africans, and yet, African Americans will swear up and down that the reason they cant succeed is because of racism? In the above passage John Hope Franklin spells out exactly why blacks do not attain the status of Africans in the United States: because blacks think everything is about racism and Africans ignore such bull shit and achieve far beyond African Americans. For African Americans, the barrier is largely self imposed by perceived racism that does not exist! Like American whites, Africans view African Americans as lazy and hypersensitive to perceived racism. Africans are therefore much more likely to assimilate into white culture than they are African American culture. Indeed, Africans have an equal seat at the white table while African Americans are so busy bitching about the fact that they cant sit at the table that they never stop to think about what they need to do to get there. And all they need to do is mimic Africans who ignore the race baiting propaganda, value education, and are willing to bust their asses to get to the table.

The studies Franklyn cites as evidence are in the bibliography on pages 675-676. I own the 7th 8th and 9th editions of his book! It is the go to resource on African American history among colleges today!

 

[Asclepias]

I agree that Africans preform well in US schools. I likewise know based on studies cited by John Hope Franklyn that US blacks have animosity toward Africans who come here an assimilate more with the white population than that of the black population. Christianbook.com: From Slavery to Freedom: A History of African Americans -9th edition: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham: 9780072963786 .

While my admiration for the late great John Hope Franklin remains undiminished, if he indeed said the words you posted and ascribed to him… he erred by using a generalization. Your link was useless as it referred only to a book with no synopsis anywhere on the page referencing what you cited.. Perhaps you would be so kind as to reference the page number and exact quote. That would be helpful.

Meanwhile, try to digest this synopsis and the article linked. The Ethiopian author depicts a different story about his own experiences as an Immigrant.

MPR: Problems of assimilation​

Franklin, John H., and Evelyn B. Higginbotham. From Slavery to Freedom. 9th ed. (New York: McGraw Hill, 2011) pp. 632-633. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Freedom-John-Hope-Franklin/dp/0072963786]From Slavery to Freedom: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Higginbotham: 9780072963786: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

"Both Afro Caribbean and African immigrants boast greater median incomes than African Americans, a fact that some scholars attribute to their higher educational attainment and also to both immigrant groups' willingness to accept positions in nursing care and other service occupations in which African Americans are not generally employed.
Black people in the United States can hardly be viewed as a unified body. They have competing interests and conflicting loyalties and ethnic identities. Much of the tension between African Americans and African-descended immigrant groups (Afro Caribbeans and Africans) centers on issues of employment and social mobility. ...
Black immigrants report that they experience less discrimination than do African Americans. ... ...
Scholars note that black immigrants often view African Americans as lazy and racially hypersensitive, while African Americans resent the upward social mobility of immigrants."

Indeed, isn't it funny that there is no "discrimination barrier" for Africans, and yet, African Americans will swear up and down that the reason they cant succeed is because of racism? In the above passage John Hope Franklin spells out exactly why blacks do not attain the status of Africans in the United States: because blacks think everything is about racism and Africans ignore such bull shit and achieve far beyond African Americans. For African Americans, the barrier is largely self imposed by perceived racism that does not exist! Like American whites, Africans view African Americans as lazy and hypersensitive to perceived racism. Africans are therefore much more likely to assimilate into white culture than they are African American culture. Indeed, Africans have an equal seat at the white table while African Americans are so busy bitching about the fact that they cant sit at the table that they never stop to think about what they need to do to get there. And all they need to do is mimic Africans who ignore the race baiting propaganda, value education, and are willing to bust their asses to get to the table.

The studies Franklyn cites as evidence are in the bibliography on pages 675-676. I own the 7th 8th and 9th editions of his book! It is the go to resource on African American history among colleges today!

There is a discrimination barrier for Africans as well. They don't have to wrestle with the centuries of mental damage Black people in this country have to deal with so there are going to be way less self imposed barriers but make no mistake about it, they face the same issues. The mentality they have is that they are going to run over it or go around it. They have the resources and they have options. I am working with several African organizations so I would know way better than any source you can pull up. Here is some more of your non existent discrimination.

Bank of America ordered to pay $2.2 million to 1,000 black job seekers it discriminated against - NY Daily News

 

[Publius1787]

While my admiration for the late great John Hope Franklin remains undiminished, if he indeed said the words you posted and ascribed to him… he erred by using a generalization. Your link was useless as it referred only to a book with no synopsis anywhere on the page referencing what you cited.. Perhaps you would be so kind as to reference the page number and exact quote. That would be helpful.

Meanwhile, try to digest this synopsis and the article linked. The Ethiopian author depicts a different story about his own experiences as an Immigrant.

MPR: Problems of assimilation​

Franklin, John H., and Evelyn B. Higginbotham. From Slavery to Freedom. 9th ed. (New York: McGraw Hill, 2011) pp. 632-633. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Freedom-John-Hope-Franklin/dp/0072963786]From Slavery to Freedom: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Higginbotham: 9780072963786: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

"Both Afro Caribbean and African immigrants boast greater median incomes than African Americans, a fact that some scholars attribute to their higher educational attainment and also to both immigrant groups' willingness to accept positions in nursing care and other service occupations in which African Americans are not generally employed.
Black people in the United States can hardly be viewed as a unified body. They have competing interests and conflicting loyalties and ethnic identities. Much of the tension between African Americans and African-descended immigrant groups (Afro Caribbeans and Africans) centers on issues of employment and social mobility. ...
Black immigrants report that they experience less discrimination than do African Americans. ... ...
Scholars note that black immigrants often view African Americans as lazy and racially hypersensitive, while African Americans resent the upward social mobility of immigrants."

Indeed, isn't it funny that there is no "discrimination barrier" for Africans, and yet, African Americans will swear up and down that the reason they cant succeed is because of racism? In the above passage John Hope Franklin spells out exactly why blacks do not attain the status of Africans in the United States: because blacks think everything is about racism and Africans ignore such bull shit and achieve far beyond African Americans. For African Americans, the barrier is largely self imposed by perceived racism that does not exist! Like American whites, Africans view African Americans as lazy and hypersensitive to perceived racism. Africans are therefore much more likely to assimilate into white culture than they are African American culture. Indeed, Africans have an equal seat at the white table while African Americans are so busy bitching about the fact that they cant sit at the table that they never stop to think about what they need to do to get there. And all they need to do is mimic Africans who ignore the race baiting propaganda, value education, and are willing to bust their asses to get to the table.

The studies Franklyn cites as evidence are in the bibliography on pages 675-676. I own the 7th 8th and 9th editions of his book! It is the go to resource on African American history among colleges today!

There is a discrimination barrier for Africans as well. They don't have to wrestle with the centuries of mental damage Black people in this country have to deal with so there are going to be way less self imposed barriers but make no mistake about it, they face the same issues. The mentality they have is that they are going to run over it or go around it. They have the resources and they have options. I am working with several African organizations so I would know way better than any source you can pull up. Here is some more of your non existent discrimination.

Bank of America ordered to pay $2.2 million to 1,000 black job seekers it discriminated against - NY Daily News

Franklyn made similar observations as you. So your telling me that blacks are barred from "centuries of mental damage" that is somehow magically passed from their parents to their kids? I would call that a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame white people for a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame racism for a self imposed barrier. Although, I will agree with you that the difference of success between Africans and African Americans is culture. African Americans have a culture that promotes victimhood, and African culture promotes education and advancement once they find a place secure enough to where such things are possible. As opposed to todays Africa, even the 1960's South would have been a better option, and thus, It could be a matter od perception and experience. Nevertheless, Africans do better than African Americans under the exact same system, the exact same economy, the exact same government, and the exact same circumstances. If "mental damage from past discrimination" is what's holding African Americans back then it is a self imposed barrier and they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Asclepias]

Franklin, John H., and Evelyn B. Higginbotham. From Slavery to Freedom. 9th ed. (New York: McGraw Hill, 2011) pp. 632-633. From Slavery to Freedom: John Hope Franklin, Evelyn Higginbotham: 9780072963786: Amazon.com: Books



Indeed, isn't it funny that there is no "discrimination barrier" for Africans, and yet, African Americans will swear up and down that the reason they cant succeed is because of racism? In the above passage John Hope Franklin spells out exactly why blacks do not attain the status of Africans in the United States: because blacks think everything is about racism and Africans ignore such bull shit and achieve far beyond African Americans. For African Americans, the barrier is largely self imposed by perceived racism that does not exist! Like American whites, Africans view African Americans as lazy and hypersensitive to perceived racism. Africans are therefore much more likely to assimilate into white culture than they are African American culture. Indeed, Africans have an equal seat at the white table while African Americans are so busy bitching about the fact that they cant sit at the table that they never stop to think about what they need to do to get there. And all they need to do is mimic Africans who ignore the race baiting propaganda, value education, and are willing to bust their asses to get to the table.

The studies Franklyn cites as evidence are in the bibliography on pages 675-676. I own the 7th 8th and 9th editions of his book! It is the go to resource on African American history among colleges today!

There is a discrimination barrier for Africans as well. They don't have to wrestle with the centuries of mental damage Black people in this country have to deal with so there are going to be way less self imposed barriers but make no mistake about it, they face the same issues. The mentality they have is that they are going to run over it or go around it. They have the resources and they have options. I am working with several African organizations so I would know way better than any source you can pull up. Here is some more of your non existent discrimination.

Bank of America ordered to pay $2.2 million to 1,000 black job seekers it discriminated against - NY Daily News

Franklyn made similar observations as you. So your telling me that blacks are barred from "centuries of mental damage" that is somehow magically passed from their parents to their kids? I would call that a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame white people for a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame racism for a self imposed barrier. Although, I will agree with you that the difference of success between Africans and African Americans is culture. African Americans have a culture that promotes victimhood, and African culture promotes education and advancement once they find a place secure enough to where such things are possible. As opposed to todays Africa, even the 1960's South would have been a better option, and thus, It could be a matter od perception and experience. Nevertheless, Africans do better than African Americans under the exact same system, the exact same economy, the exact same government, and the exact same circumstances. If "mental damage from past discrimination" is what's holding African Americans back then it is a self imposed barrier and they have no one to blame but themselves.

There is nothing magical about it. Its not brain surgery. I beat my kid, chance are he will beat his and the cycle will continue until someone breaks it. In addition racism is passed from one generation to the next as well so whites are also infected by the virus. I teach my child white people are inferior chances are they will grow up and teach theirs the same thing. I would think you were educated enough to understand that concept? What is your take on Patty Hearst? Was she innocent due to being brainwashed or was she knowingly participating in illegal activities?

Now an African coming over to the US may experience the same exact racism but he will be in a much better position to circumvent it due to knowing his history and not having the years of dealing with the institutionalized racism in the country. There is a reason the US locks up a larger percentage of its Black people than South Africa did at the height of apartheid. There is a reason Nixon stated to his right hand man the way to control Black people was to come up with a system without appearing to do so. There is a reason Reagan announced the war on drugs before the crack epidemic hit. There is a reason the CIA looked the other way while those drugs were brought into this country. Looking at history the white power structure has always set up systems to control Black people. Why would I think they are not still doing the same thing?

 

[Publius1787]

There is a discrimination barrier for Africans as well. They don't have to wrestle with the centuries of mental damage Black people in this country have to deal with so there are going to be way less self imposed barriers but make no mistake about it, they face the same issues. The mentality they have is that they are going to run over it or go around it. They have the resources and they have options. I am working with several African organizations so I would know way better than any source you can pull up. Here is some more of your non existent discrimination.

Bank of America ordered to pay $2.2 million to 1,000 black job seekers it discriminated against - NY Daily News

Franklyn made similar observations as you. So your telling me that blacks are barred from "centuries of mental damage" that is somehow magically passed from their parents to their kids? I would call that a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame white people for a self imposed barrier. You cannot blame racism for a self imposed barrier. Although, I will agree with you that the difference of success between Africans and African Americans is culture. African Americans have a culture that promotes victimhood, and African culture promotes education and advancement once they find a place secure enough to where such things are possible. As opposed to todays Africa, even the 1960's South would have been a better option, and thus, It could be a matter od perception and experience. Nevertheless, Africans do better than African Americans under the exact same system, the exact same economy, the exact same government, and the exact same circumstances. If "mental damage from past discrimination" is what's holding African Americans back then it is a self imposed barrier and they have no one to blame but themselves.

There is nothing magical about it. Its not brain surgery. I beat my kid, chance are he will beat his and the cycle will continue until someone breaks it. In addition racism is passed from one generation to the next as well so whites are also infected by the virus. I teach my child white people are inferior chances are they will grow up and teach theirs the same thing. I would think you were educated enough to understand that concept? What is your take on Patty Hearst? Was she innocent due to being brainwashed or was she knowingly participating in illegal activities?

Now an African coming over to the US may experience the same exact racism but he will be in a much better position to circumvent it due to knowing his history and not having the years of dealing with the institutionalized racism in the country. There is a reason the US locks up a larger percentage of its Black people than South Africa did at the height of apartheid. There is a reason Nixon stated to his right hand man the way to control Black people was to come up with a system without appearing to do so. There is a reason Reagan announced the war on drugs before the crack epidemic hit. There is a reason the CIA looked the other way while those drugs were brought into this country. Looking at history the white power structure has always set up systems to control Black people. Why would I think they are not still doing the same thing?

I get what you're saying. Blacks chose to smoke crack and the CIA should be punished because you say they allowed crack to enter into the united States. So instead of the crack smoker you blame the CIA. Got it!

Once again you demonstrate that black dysfunction is completely self imposed. thank you.

 

[JQPublic1]

No doubt they are losing out. However, before education must come security, stability, less corruption, and more rule of law.

Agreed! Except corruption seems to be one of the driving forces of Capitalism. Perhaps those African nations affected will learn to refine their corruption as Westerners have done!

Again, you generalize Africa as a collective of poor Blacks when in fact some African countries have a GDP higher than those of some Western nations. The rebuttal I posted previously was inaccurate and I apologize to all who read it. GDP per capita is what I meant to post but instead posted information concerning GDP(ppp). Having posted on this topic in the past I should have known better. Here is the permalink to that post:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/290333-so-much-for-the-africans-are-dumb-notion-28.html#post7178835

You must truly be ignorant of the fact that GDP does not translate to a successful, or even influential, nation. Nevertheless, lets use you're model by breaking it down to GDP PER CAPITA and see if we can detect some differences. List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#2 Liechtenstein
#4 Monaco
#5 Jersey
#7 Switzerland
#11 Austria
#14 Sweden
#16 Iceland
#19 Belgium
#37 Malta

#83 South Africa: Whites built that economy by the way and it is quickly being ruined. Oh, and I've been to South Africa.
#101 Egypt
#129 Congo Rep
#143 Nigeria: I've been to this one too by the way.
#DEAD LAST: Congo Dem Rep

Bottom 10 Counties in GDP Per Capita: ALL FROM AFRICA!!!

186 South Sudan
187 Malawi
188 Central African Republic
189 Eritrea
190 Niger
191 Liberia
192 Burundi
193 Somalia
194 Zimbabwe
195 Congo, Dem. Rep.

Thanks for being civil. I appreciate that! The following information is what I intended to post in the first place. I realize that the distribution of wealth in these countries is rarely equitable; that even goes for the USA . But the GDP charts show that some African countries are hanging in there and are not all at the bottom of the economic scale when it comes to economic viability or potential. This link shows ratings from three entities: The IMF, the World Bank and the CIA.
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Note that the CIA chart lists Botswana as having a per capita GDP of 17,100 with Gabon close by with 16,800. Both are rated higher than Mexico, Turkey, Iran, and a number of “so-called Caucasian “ countries. Two African countries , one in mid-west Africa, out distances all of sub-Saharan Africa GDP per capita: Equatorial Guinea and Seychelles. Both of these African countries are also ranked above Greece, Slovakia, Portugal, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary and even Russia.

You want to play this game with me and indicate that I'm a liar? But then again, perhaps I am a liar. As it turns out I lied about the average income for West Africans. I said it was $400. In reality it is $309 (See below). My use of old data was indeed misleading. As it turns out the situation favors my argument even more than I thought.

Your data is STILL misleading. If you are using GDP per capita to support your premise non eof the three charts show that! Only one African nation shows a GDP per capita rating less than 500. Indeed it is the Dem.Rep. Congo. The three 2012 charts show 390; 422 and 400 respectively, not 309. That being the case, if you are now using GDP per capita to compute the average income for West Africans, you are wrong. If you have some other economic barometer in your arsenal to support your $309 figure please share it with us

In 1999, it was estimated that $800 million that could have been used for development was instead diverted into conflicts.

So, that $800 million came from where? The IMF and WB sharks?

Conflict Five countries in West Africa are currently affected by conflict. They are Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.

In 2003, 65 percent of West Africa's population lived in countries severely affected by conflict.

Over the past 15 years, nine of the 15 members of ECOWAS have experienced conflict ranging from high intensity civil wars to violence during elections.

One of the most common reasons advanced for the prevalence of conflict is weak governance.

Maybe! It could also be due to the effects of outside influence.

The area accounts for more than 70 percent of military coups in Africa. There is a high degree of illicit trade in diamonds and timber, which can be directly related to the conflict. In Liberia it is estimated to be more than $60 million a year and Sierra Leone more than $25 million.

Describe this “illicit trade.” Who decides if that trade is illicit or not?

Conflict in Cote d'Ivoire has been particularly damaging for the region. It serves as a regional hub for landlocked countries in the region, meaning that neighboring countries depend heavily on it for imports and exports. For example 43 percent of Mali's exports and 77 percent of Burkina Faso's exports are shipped through Abidjan.

Maintaining peace in the region is seen as a prerequisite for improving its development outcomes.

Seen by whom? Outside agitators or African agents of the IMF and World Bank? Weapons sales must be brisk in the region.

 

[JQPublic1]

Foreigners on the whole take education more seriously than both white and black Americans. What can I say but the obvious? We take education for granted. This doesn't change the fact that blacks don't take their education as seriously as whites or as Africans do. Indeed, many foreigners come to this country from families with no education and do better than the native born population. What's the excuse for American blacks? Racism? Discrimination? If that is the case than why doesn't the same excuse apply to foreigners who do much better than American blacks? The answer is obvious. .

Did you even read the post to you are answering? You refuse to address the innate intelligence that is necessary to accomplish what African immigrants have accomplished academically.

By implication, it seems the introduction of white blood into the American Black’ gene pool has dumbed some of them down! After all, the white overseers on the plantation weren’t the brightest whites around. That doesn’t mean the southern gentility didn’t take the opportunity to impregnate their favorite slave women as well.

Couple that with constant inculcations of Black inferiority and it takes a toll. Young African immigrants probably haven’t been exposed the kind of racism that has permeated the social fabric of the USA for so long and neither have Asians. Yet, miraculously, millions of American Blacks stoically weathered the storm and succeeded anyway

Does that help to answer your questions?

BTW those foreigners, as you said, “do better than the native born population.” You did include White students in the meaning of that phrase didn’t you?

WTF, corruption is not nearly as bad here as it is in Africa. Not even close! Have you ever been to Africa? Bribery and corruption is a way of life from the highest government official to the local police officer. I speak from experience. What the hell are you talking about?

The very nature of western capitalism stokes the fires of corruption.. Even as you attempt to deny the pervasiveness of America‘s brand of corruption, the Republican governor of Virginia is being investigated for taking more than $150,000 in cash and gifts from the CEO of Star Scientific. This is no isolated example! Time and time again scandals of this nature are brought to light. How many former mayors of Chicago are in prison right now for corruption? In regards to USA corruption , Leo Gerard sums it up like this and I concur:

Capitalist theory asserts that CEOs rise to the top based on merit and moxey and deserve million dollar pay packages. Turns out, though, capitalism doesn’t really work that way. Conniving Jonnies rule the business world. First they ditched the philosophy that corporations are equally responsible to America, shareholders, workers, customers and communities. Then they enshrined CEOs as corporations’ primary beneficiaries, thus golden parachutes awarded to failed and fired executives. In the real world, CEOs rise to the top based on cronyism and corruption.

The two countries that you visited might have people who exhibited similar characteristics but you overstepped your limits by attempting to judge every country in Africa by your rather narrow perspective.

Also I doubt if “corruption” as you define it would be publicly exhibited…so how were you able to witness it? Or is it all hearsay?

Capitalism Failed; Cronyism and Corruption Rule

The IMF? Do you have any clue how many times a slew of African countries have been forgiven in their debts? It's kinda hard to get a loan when you have a proven record of not paying them back. Just ask Nkrumah about the validity of that statement!

That wasn’t the issue! Is it not true that Usury and extreme austerity are key tools of the IMF when granting loans? Both the IMF and the world Bank are like wolves in sheep’s clothing. They loan money with the nefarious intention of draining all the monetary assets of the victim nations to repay the loan and the accompanying extremely high interest rates. Many African nations were corrupted by something called the Strategic Adjustment Program: a brainchild of the IMF and the WB.

That doesn’t change the fact that the overwhelming majority of African students that come here are from the governing elite classes who are more often than not politically well connected and corrupt.

I have already shown how corrupt America is so don’t patronize me and the readers here with allegations of Pan-African corruptness!

You addressed Africans. You want me to break it down? If this is the case you should have noted the specific countries that apply to your argument, however, don't crack at me for addressing the same thing you were

Weren’t you the one using broad generalizations when you started this thread?

THE LINK THAT MATTERS