The sick motivation behind the religious right’s Obamacare sabotage

[Antares]

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:

“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”

snip

While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.

What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.

And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.

Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).

full article:

The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com

instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts

Yes the far left uses a known far left blog religious site for their "facts" and has amnesia over who Jonathan Gruber is..

You're the one with amnesia. We know who Gruber is. When was the last time you mea culpa-ed like this? Ever?

He got caught so he said "I'm sorry".

Big deal, he meant what he said and Obama doubled down with his lies.

Then looks like another one of your spokesmen has no balls, doesn't it?
When are you people going to find someone with a spine?

Here is what YOU and people like you will never understand.

Their back bone is immaterial, it's ours that counts.

And WE know the farce that these people have foisted on the Nation.

YOU?

You don't care and accept all of the lies as "fact" no matter what the truth is.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Can you show where in America any Religious Group sought to force a theocracy on anyone?

Where do you want me to start?

How about Congress?

H.R. 3799 Constitution Restoration Act of 2004

That was an attempt to subvert the Constitution by limiting the power of the SCOTUS and impose your God as the supreme authority in America.

A BILL
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.



Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Constitution Restoration Act of 2004'.

TITLE I--JURISDICTION

SEC. 101. APPELLATE JURISDICTION.

(a) IN GENERAL-

(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable

`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.​

You have no idea what any of that says , do you?

If you think your highlighted sections is attempting to establish a Theocracy you just aren't very bright.

Ironic!

Gratuitous insults are a poor substitute for a factual rebuttal. You completely and utterly failed to refute anything in the text of that bill as sponsored by the religious right.

It is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment and attempts to hamstring the SCOTUS so that it cannot rule against anyone declaring this nation to be a theocracy.

Your lack of honesty and integrity when it comes to admitting that you have just been proven wrong as far as imposing a theocracy in this nation is duly noted.

I'm just going to laugh at you.

It simply states that a) Judges cannot act as activists and b) No one can be punished for acknowledging God while in Public Office.

The Left and apparently you in particular have no idea what honesty or integrity actually is.

Thank you for disqualifying yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I entered the health insurance business in Jun, 1966, just days before Medicare kicked in. I heard it all, before. It is socialism. It will bankrupt the country. It will put private insurance companies out of business. It will be impossible to administer. It must be repealed. it is step toward communism. It unfairly competes with private enterprise. it is unconstitutional., blah, blah, blah.

Now, 48 years later, I am covered by Medicare, and I enjoy the best insurance plan I have ever had in my life (except for some holes in the RX coverage).

I am still waiting for the world to end.....

 

[Antares]

Can you show where in America any Religious Group sought to force a theocracy on anyone?

Where do you want me to start?

How about Congress?

H.R. 3799 Constitution Restoration Act of 2004

That was an attempt to subvert the Constitution by limiting the power of the SCOTUS and impose your God as the supreme authority in America.

A BILL
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.



Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Constitution Restoration Act of 2004'.

TITLE I--JURISDICTION

SEC. 101. APPELLATE JURISDICTION.

(a) IN GENERAL-

(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable

`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.​

You have no idea what any of that says , do you?

If you think your highlighted sections is attempting to establish a Theocracy you just aren't very bright.

Ironic!

Gratuitous insults are a poor substitute for a factual rebuttal. You completely and utterly failed to refute anything in the text of that bill as sponsored by the religious right.

It is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment and attempts to hamstring the SCOTUS so that it cannot rule against anyone declaring this nation to be a theocracy.

Your lack of honesty and integrity when it comes to admitting that you have just been proven wrong as far as imposing a theocracy in this nation is duly noted.

I'm just going to laugh at you.

It simply states that a) Judges cannot act as activists and b) No one can be punished for acknowledging God while in Public Office.

The Left and apparently you in particular have no idea what honesty or integrity actually is.

Thank you for disqualifying yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic. Have a nice day.

Translation:" I better run because I am in over my head".

Run Forest, run.

 

[blackhawk]

Almost everyone who buys their own insurance and does not get it through their employer has seen their rates increase many if not all who have plans through a government exchange have a deductible of between 4000 and 8000 dollars meaning you have to pay that amount out of your own pocket in the calendar year before the plan pays anything and that is not likely to happen so these people might have insurance on paper but not in any practical or useful way. There is also a big issue coming up before the Supreme Court regarding Obamacare subsidies and the exchanges the law was written that only people who signed up through the state exchanges could get subsidies but when states didn't set up exchanges the Obama administration on it's own declared you could get them through the federal exchanges as well which was never part of the law if the high court rules against this many people will see their rates increase and others will lose their plans as they will no longer be able to afford them. This is just from the individual mandate part of Obamacare we still have no idea what kind of messes will come from the employer mandate of the plan as it has not been implemented yet if past history is any indication it wont help a law that only has a 38% approval rating.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I entered the health insurance business in Jun, 1966, just days before Medicare kicked in. I heard it all, before. It is socialism. It will bankrupt the country. It will put private insurance companies out of business. It will be impossible to administer. It must be repealed. it is step toward communism. It unfairly competes with private enterprise. it is unconstitutional., blah, blah, blah.

Now, 48 years later, I am covered by Medicare, and I enjoy the best insurance plan I have ever had in my life (except for some holes in the RX coverage).

I am still waiting for the world to end.....

This is different Gruber called obamacare supporters stupid.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I entered the health insurance business in Jun, 1966, just days before Medicare kicked in. I heard it all, before. It is socialism. It will bankrupt the country. It will put private insurance companies out of business. It will be impossible to administer. It must be repealed. it is step toward communism. It unfairly competes with private enterprise. it is unconstitutional., blah, blah, blah.

Now, 48 years later, I am covered by Medicare, and I enjoy the best insurance plan I have ever had in my life (except for some holes in the RX coverage).

I am still waiting for the world to end.....

Medicare has been a massive boon to the elderly. I hate to imagine what the economic burden would have been on Boomers trying to juggle paying for college educations, mortgages and the healthcare of their aging parents when they they lost their jobs and 401k's in 2008.

It would have been an economic catastrophe that would have literally killed off millions because they would never have been able to meet the cost of those out of control medical bills.

 

[MaxGrit]

Libtards are disgusting slimes.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:

“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”

snip

While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.

What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.

And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.

Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).

full article:

The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com

instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts

I didn't get past the first half of your first paragraph.
Bragging about the success of people now being able to afford insurance for the first time without adding the facts that SOMEONE ELSE is actually paying for their coverage in part or all through their MUCH HIGHER costs is disenguinous at best.

You also left out that fact that most of those getting discounted or free coverage can no longer find full time employment specifically because of the law. And to add insult to injury their pay has been cut by 25%


The bill is a total fucking disaster that straddles the middle class with the cost & the poor with a loss in hours at work.

I pray to God (and I'm not a believer) that this disaster is reversed when a REAL leader takes the Oval Office

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:

“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”

snip

While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.

What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.

And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.

Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).

full article:

The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com

instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts

Yes the far left uses a known far left blog religious site for their "facts" and has amnesia over who Jonathan Gruber is..

You're the one with amnesia. We know who Gruber is. When was the last time you mea culpa-ed like this? Ever?

He got caught so he said "I'm sorry".

Big deal, he meant what he said and Obama doubled down with his lies.

And he didn't even actually apologize. He said he was sorry for calling Americans stupid knowing full well that the real offense was lying to the American people. After his non apology, he then proceeded to thumb his nose again at America by obstructing Congress's investigation, refusing to answer question. Evil people don't know how to apologize because they're never sorry for the pain they inflict on others.

 

[Antares]

The ONLY thing he was sorry about was getting caught.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The ONLY thing he was sorry about was getting caught.

Correct he not sorry for what he said he still feels that way.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't believe the religious right has a "sick motivation" to sabotage the PPACA. My observation of the religious right is they're mostly not very smart and easily biddable. Of course my experience with the religious right is limited, mostly to those who post on this message board, and most of them are quite dumb.

 

[Antares]

I don't believe the religious right has a "sick motivation" to sabotage the PPACA. My observation of the religious right is they're mostly not very smart and easily biddable. Of course my experience with the religious right is limited, mostly to those who post on this message board, and most of them are quite dumb.

The author simply is moronic in his logic, that's not what Ernst was intimating.