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What is objectionable about informing people how to sign up for healthcare?It's such a raging success they had to crawl in bed with A BIG CORP to advertise it. so who IS MAKING THE MONEY?
Of course Obamacare ads coming to receipts from 7-Eleven and other stores US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Can you show where in America any Religious Group sought to force a theocracy on anyone?
Where do you want me to start?
How about Congress?
H.R. 3799 Constitution Restoration Act of 2004
That was an attempt to subvert the Constitution by limiting the power of the SCOTUS and impose your God as the supreme authority in America.
A BILL
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Constitution Restoration Act of 2004'.
TITLE I--JURISDICTION
SEC. 101. APPELLATE JURISDICTION.
(a) IN GENERAL-
(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable
`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.
You have no idea what any of that says , do you?
If you think your highlighted sections is attempting to establish a Theocracy you just aren't very bright.
Can you show where in America any Religious Group sought to force a theocracy on anyone?
Where do you want me to start?
How about Congress?
H.R. 3799 Constitution Restoration Act of 2004
That was an attempt to subvert the Constitution by limiting the power of the SCOTUS and impose your God as the supreme authority in America.
A BILL
To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Constitution Restoration Act of 2004'.
TITLE I--JURISDICTION
SEC. 101. APPELLATE JURISDICTION.
(a) IN GENERAL-
(1) AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28- Chapter 81 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable
`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.
You have no idea what any of that says , do you?
If you think your highlighted sections is attempting to establish a Theocracy you just aren't very bright.
Ironic!
Gratuitous insults are a poor substitute for a factual rebuttal. You completely and utterly failed to refute anything in the text of that bill as sponsored by the religious right.
It is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment and attempts to hamstring the SCOTUS so that it cannot rule against anyone declaring this nation to be a theocracy.
Your lack of honesty and integrity when it comes to admitting that you have just been proven wrong as far as imposing a theocracy in this nation is duly noted.
oh brother, Billions of dollars to set it up, 1000's of new government employees we get to pay and only 6million has signed on and they call that A RAGING SUCCESS
unbelievable. they could of just went on welfare or Medicaid
Sadly even those that got insurance have had to recognize that insurance doesn't mean they get actual care.Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, that will only continue to get worse. Saying that obamacare is a success because some people were able to get insurance is like saying the Titanic's maiden voyage was a success because they made it all the way to the iceberg.
What sabotage Gruber slipped up and told the truth about it. Pelosi said we must pass the bill before we can see what is in it. The whole bill was based on deception and it dying on it's own.
'As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example,the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:
“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”'
Ignorant, reactionary nonsense.
It's perfectly appropriate and desirable for government to provide assistance to those in need.
It ensures assistance is provided in a consistent, accountable manner that private entities are unable to provide alone. Indeed, there currently exists a policy where public and private sectors work together to assist those in need, this cooperation between the two has always existed and works efficiently.
'As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example,the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:
“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”'
Ignorant, reactionary nonsense.
It's perfectly appropriate and desirable for government to provide assistance to those in need.
It ensures assistance is provided in a consistent, accountable manner that private entities are unable to provide alone. Indeed, there currently exists a policy where public and private sectors work together to assist those in need, this cooperation between the two has always existed and works efficiently.
Yep.
We pay for it.
Why should people be forced to support the 1% but not allowed to help their own situations?
Because they were lied to. Even if they got health insurance those who pay more for insurance than they did now find out that they still can't get actual health care.What sabotage Gruber slipped up and told the truth about it. Pelosi said we must pass the bill before we can see what is in it. The whole bill was based on deception and it dying on it's own.
Another welfare freeloading hypocrite chimes in.
Why is it okay for you to cheat hard working, tax paying, HONEST Americans? But not okay for them to get health insurance?
The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:
“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”
snip
While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.
What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.
And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.
Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).
full article:
The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com
instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts
Yes the far left uses a known far left blog religious site for their "facts" and has amnesia over who Jonathan Gruber is..
The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:
“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”
snip
While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.
What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.
And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.
Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).
full article:
The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com
instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts
Yes the far left uses a known far left blog religious site for their "facts" and has amnesia over who Jonathan Gruber is..
You're the one with amnesia. We know who Gruber is. When was the last time you mea culpa-ed like this? Ever?
Because they were lied to. Even if they got health insurance those who pay more for insurance than they did now find out that they still can't get actual health care.What sabotage Gruber slipped up and told the truth about it. Pelosi said we must pass the bill before we can see what is in it. The whole bill was based on deception and it dying on it's own.
Another welfare freeloading hypocrite chimes in.
Why is it okay for you to cheat hard working, tax paying, HONEST Americans? But not okay for them to get health insurance?
Prove it.What sabotage Gruber slipped up and told the truth about it. Pelosi said we must pass the bill before we can see what is in it. The whole bill was based on deception and it dying on it's own.
Another welfare freeloading hypocrite chimes in.
Why is it okay for you to cheat hard working, tax paying, HONEST Americans? But not okay for them to get health insurance?
The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is now in its fourth year, and the numbers point to a solid success. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people can afford health insurance for the first time, and millions more still have health insurance because now they can’t be dropped by their insurance company for getting sick. The once-astronomical growth of costs has slowed substantially, and in some markets is even decreasing.
The ACA isn’t a perfect solution, but its successes deserve to be celebrated. And they’re especially notable in light of the fact that the law has had to run (and is still facing) a gauntlet of the most ferocious opposition that’s ever confronted any major piece of legislation: a blizzard of lawsuits, filibusters, attack ads spreading ludicrous scare tactics, lockstep opposition from conservative politicians. Even now, refusenik Republicans are deliberately impeding it by refusing to set up their own state exchanges or expand Medicaid in states they control. The Republicans have tried so hard to make Obamacare fail because its success undermines their creed that government can never accomplish great things or make society a better place to live. As evidence of this, a new talking point has become the conservative refrain: that it should never have been the government’s job to aid the needy at all, and that people should instead turn to private charity, like churches, for help. For example, the Republican senator-elect from Iowa, Joni Ernst, has said:
“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”
snip
While most evangelical churches proclaim that they want people to convert voluntarily, their actions show otherwise. When given the chance to coerce their audience, they’ll do so gleefully, as we’ve seen in prison ministries all over the country where inmates are given special rewards and privileges in exchange for their cooperation with religious indoctrination.
What they want, in short, is a captive audience. If government charity were to be cut off, the churches wouldn’t be able to come close to supplying the wants of everyone, and so they’d have strong incentive to impose stringent conditions on the people they did help. Only the most faithful, the most compliant, the most submissive would be able to get through the door.
And that’s precisely the state of affairs that the religious right yearns for. What they want is to build a theocracy from the ground up, where the poor and the needy are abjectly dependent on a church that can yank away the necessities of life if it judges them insufficiently compliant, and so the masses will have no choice but to be corralled and steered. Even today, we can see this conservative vision put into practice, and witness the terrible consequences that result when it blocks the government from helping the needy. Consider Mississippi, which is both the most religious and has the most churches per capita of any U.S. state. If rosy visions like Ernst’s were true, Mississippi would be the best place in the country to live. But in reality, it’s the poorest and (by life expectancy) sickest state.
Nowhere in the U.S. needs healthcare reform more badly than Mississippi does; and at the same time, no other place seems less likely to get it, thanks to anti-liberal, anti-Obama fervor that that still burns white-hot. There was once a time when conservative politicians believed that government had a role in fixing these kinds of problems. According to a report by Sarah Varney in Politico, as recently as 2007, Mississippi’s Republican state government was planning its own health insurance exchange (paralleling the similar system created by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts).
full article:
The sick motivation behind the religious right 8217 s Obamacare sabotage - Salon.com
instead of attacking the source please try to refute with facts
Yes the far left uses a known far left blog religious site for their "facts" and has amnesia over who Jonathan Gruber is..
You're the one with amnesia. We know who Gruber is. When was the last time you mea culpa-ed like this? Ever?
He got caught so he said "I'm sorry".
Big deal, he meant what he said and Obama doubled down with his lies.
obama got liar of the year for obamacare 2013 gruber said because of no transparency it was passed.Because they were lied to. Even if they got health insurance those who pay more for insurance than they did now find out that they still can't get actual health care.What sabotage Gruber slipped up and told the truth about it. Pelosi said we must pass the bill before we can see what is in it. The whole bill was based on deception and it dying on it's own.
Another welfare freeloading hypocrite chimes in.
Why is it okay for you to cheat hard working, tax paying, HONEST Americans? But not okay for them to get health insurance?
Really? Want to post some links to corroborate or just continue to blow bullshit? That's all you got, TipsyTwat. Bullshit.
Yeah, and she got caught lying about it, too!!!!!obamacare has been such a resounding failure that a congresswoman castigated Josh Gruber as to how obamacare caused her husband's death. She did it live on national television. One story of many.
