The Second Greatest Political Lie

3. "What is awful about liberalism?"
It is based on the supremacy of the collective, and the destruction of any who disagree.
In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

You should read it sometime.

What is awful is the way you keep stepping it while you're shoveling your ignorant bullshit!

Chica, Thoreau was a bloody ANARCHIST! You're the one who should be doing the reading and study of On the duty of Civil Disobedience! That is clearly displayed in the first few sentences of his essay:

"I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have." [Emphasis Added]

You really should have read ABOUT Thoreau before implying he was an INDIVIDUALIST according to your definition and misguided understanding. You will, no doubt dance around, disavow any fault, sling ad hominem and deflect from the point proven above to avoid all responsibility for your error, but that will not only show your unsavory side and abhorrence to critical thinking and the naked truth, but again show your penchant for dishonesty and lack of any reasoned sense of ethical conduct!

Were you self-taught?

I'm also an anarchist, but I'm also a capitalist who believes in private property and free exchange.

You need a government to protect private property, so you can't be both.



Somehow, a small mind imagines that the question is whether to have a government, or no government.

One would imagine that even a grade school grad would understand that there are a myriad version of 'government.'

The quote often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, '"That government is best which governs least,' fits my concept best.

Classical liberals....called conservatives today, saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly,...as our Founders did.


Progressives/Liberals have the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve' into the welfare state.


Please don't make such an egregious error again.
 
You need a government to protect private property, so you can't be both.

Do ya? Now you're basing this upon what Gilligan?

I'm basing it on common sense logic and reason that are concepts alien to the humanoids on your planet.

OH! So you have absolutely no basis for your assertion... .

LOL!

Color me SHOCKED!

Gilligan you're helpless.

So you think the right to claim ownership of private property has no need of government enforcement?



Gads....even on Thanksgiving I have to educate you??????

1. Let's remember that liberty and private property are intimately intertwined, and the very antithesis of communism, socialism, 'Occupy Wall Street,' and Obama-politics.



2. Perhaps some know that before it became “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in our Declaration of Independence,John Locke wrote that man has a right to “life, liberty, and property.”
Property Rights Have Personal Parallels - Forbes


3. Under United States law the principal limitations on whether and the extent to which the State may interfere with property rights are set by the Constitution. The "Takings" clause requires that the government (whether state or federal—for the 14th Amendment's due process clause imposes the 5th Amendment's takings clause on state governments) may take private property only for a public purpose, after exercising due process of law, and upon making "just compensation."
Property - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Progressives/Liberals use taxation and regulation to avoid constitutional restrictions.
That is and always has been the danger of big government.
 
In political parlance, a lie is not just something that is not true, but something that is untrue, but serves the purpose of advancing a political agenda.


1. Georges Eugène Sorel (2 November 1847 in Cherbourg – 29 August 1922 in Boulogne-sur-Seine) was a French philosopher and theorist of revolutionary syndicalism. His notion of the power of myth in people's lives inspired Marxists and Fascists, it is, together with his defense of violence, the contribution for which he is most often remembered. Georges Sorel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. His identification of the need for a deliberately-conceived "myth" to sway crowds into concerted action was put to use by the Fascist and Communist movements of the 1920s and after. http://homepage.newschool.edu/het//profiles/sorel.htm

b. "For Sen. [Hillary] Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her "greatness" (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose. "
The case against Hillary Clinton. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine]




2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

a. Communist John Dewey, the one who corrupted education in this country, convinced the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.' And it's values and doctrines formed those called Liberals today.


The benefit to them, of course, is that the uninformed attribute the greatness of the Founders, of America, to them.




3. The "Second Greatest Lie" is also designed to benefit Leftists. It is that the political spectrum has communists on the left, and the Nazis on the right. It is a conscious and carefully crafted lie. And it is because the Left controls the schools and the media that it has been allowed to survive.

This is what a careful study of history shows:
When the worldwide recession, known as the Great Depression, caused many to believe that capitalism had failed, big government command and control economies took control, promising solutions.

The economic plans of Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Franklin Roosevelt were all variations on the same theme.

a. Many government school grads have been trained to see FDR as a demigod.
"Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Wolfgang Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.



This thread will expound on that "Second Greatest Lie."
By doing so, it will explain why Leftist government schools won't teach real history.

He certainly didn't invent lying. Hell, I dare to say that lying has been around as long as people have possessed the power of speech. Now, if you want to hear nonstop lying, listen to talk radio! What am I saying? That's undoubtedly where you get most of your indoctrination.

By the way, do you recall the name of the person who is attributed to the following statement about a certain cherry tree when, at the age of 6, he was asked by his father what had become of the cherry tree?

"I cannot tell a lie, father, you know I cannot tell a lie! I did cut it with my little hatchet.''

Of course it was George Washington.

Politics has many definitions. I believe one of them is the art of lying. Now, to think that the American revolution was solely a noble cause pushed by people who only possessed the noblest of intentions is a lie in and of itself. But it's a good'un which is one of the reasons that all portraits and statues from the period make all those men look so damn noble and holy. Some of them, quite frankly, were scoundrels.

It is as it's always been.



Let's see....
I wrote this: "In political parlance, a lie is not just something that is not true, but something that is untrue, but serves the purpose of advancing a political agenda."

And you responded with this:
"By the way, do you recall the name of the person who is attributed to the following statement about a certain cherry tree when, at the age of 6, he was asked by his father what had become of the cherry tree?"


Sooooo.....what was the political agenda that the 6 year-old was intending to advance?



(BTW....you would have been correct had you suggested a moral agenda by Mason Locke Weems. Look it up.)
 
3. "What is awful about liberalism?"
It is based on the supremacy of the collective, and the destruction of any who disagree.
In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

You should read it sometime.

What is awful is the way you keep stepping it while you're shoveling your ignorant bullshit!

Chica, Thoreau was a bloody ANARCHIST! You're the one who should be doing the reading and study of On the duty of Civil Disobedience! That is clearly displayed in the first few sentences of his essay:

"I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have." [Emphasis Added]

You really should have read ABOUT Thoreau before implying he was an INDIVIDUALIST according to your definition and misguided understanding. You will, no doubt dance around, disavow any fault, sling ad hominem and deflect from the point proven above to avoid all responsibility for your error, but that will not only show your unsavory side and abhorrence to critical thinking and the naked truth, but again show your penchant for dishonesty and lack of any reasoned sense of ethical conduct!

Were you self-taught?

I'm also an anarchist, but I'm also a capitalist who believes in private property and free exchange.

You need a government to protect private property, so you can't be both.



Somehow, a small mind imagines that the question is whether to have a government, or no government.

One would imagine that even a grade school grad would understand that there are a myriad version of 'government.'

The quote often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, '"That government is best which governs least,' fits my concept best.

Classical liberals....called conservatives today, saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly,...as our Founders did.


Progressives/Liberals have the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve' into the welfare state.


Please don't make such an egregious error again.

Classical liberals learned their lesson, or at least some of them did, when confronted with the Industrial Revolution. That's when it became clear that powerful governments were needed to rein in capitalism.
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.
 
Socialism and democracy are irreconcilable.

Every socialist is a disguised dictator.

From the great Dr. Mises...

Some of us instinctively know these quotes are true. Others of us are not capable of recognizing truth.

The quote is nonsense. Some people instinctively believe nonsense is the truth when it makes them feel good.


I just love your autobiographical posts.
 
You need a government to protect private property, so you can't be both.

Do ya? Now you're basing this upon what Gilligan?

I'm basing it on common sense logic and reason that are concepts alien to the humanoids on your planet.

OH! So you have absolutely no basis for your assertion... .

LOL!

Color me SHOCKED!

Gilligan you're helpless.

So you think the right to claim ownership of private property has no need of government enforcement?

2. Perhaps some know that before it became “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in our Declaration of Independence,John Locke wrote that man has a right to “life, liberty, and property.”
Property Rights Have Personal Parallels - Forbes


.

And to what Locke said, what did our founders say?

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from theconsent of the governed,"

So according to the Founders, YES, the right of owning private property does have the need of government enforcement.

I'm right. You're wrong. Thanks for helping me prove that.
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.

Tariffs are not protectionist? Pardon my French but WTF!!!!! lolol
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.

The founders cannot be said to have supported free markets. You lie.
 
3. "What is awful about liberalism?"
It is based on the supremacy of the collective, and the destruction of any who disagree.
In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

You should read it sometime.

What is awful is the way you keep stepping it while you're shoveling your ignorant bullshit!

Chica, Thoreau was a bloody ANARCHIST! You're the one who should be doing the reading and study of On the duty of Civil Disobedience! That is clearly displayed in the first few sentences of his essay:

"I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have." [Emphasis Added]

You really should have read ABOUT Thoreau before implying he was an INDIVIDUALIST according to your definition and misguided understanding. You will, no doubt dance around, disavow any fault, sling ad hominem and deflect from the point proven above to avoid all responsibility for your error, but that will not only show your unsavory side and abhorrence to critical thinking and the naked truth, but again show your penchant for dishonesty and lack of any reasoned sense of ethical conduct!

Were you self-taught?

I'm also an anarchist, but I'm also a capitalist who believes in private property and free exchange.

You need a government to protect private property, so you can't be both.



Somehow, a small mind imagines that the question is whether to have a government, or no government.

One would imagine that even a grade school grad would understand that there are a myriad version of 'government.'

The quote often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, '"That government is best which governs least,' fits my concept best.

Classical liberals....called conservatives today, saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly,...as our Founders did.


Progressives/Liberals have the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve' into the welfare state.


Please don't make such an egregious error again.

Classical liberals learned their lesson, or at least some of them did, when confronted with the Industrial Revolution. That's when it became clear that powerful governments were needed to rein in capitalism.


OMG!

The Industrial Revolution was the validation of capitalism!

1. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.”

Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory.



2. Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

3. But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.

Tariffs are not protectionist? Pardon my French but WTF!!!!! lolol



The Constitution did not allow direct taxation of individuals.

You should read it sometime.
 
You need an editor. You should have said "Leftist government schools abjure real history".
Yeah. See? That's better. You should use that word more. Really.

The word "abjure" could be used, but to me it means that something is done under pressure. Leftards are doing it willingly. Am I wrong?
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.

Tariffs are not protectionist? Pardon my French but WTF!!!!! lolol



The Constitution did not allow direct taxation of individuals.

You should read it sometime.

You're in error again, Chica! The enumeration tax of Article I, Section 2 was a direct tax, which was made moot with the adoption of Amendment XVI (1913).

Will you admit your error or :dance::dance::dance::dance:????
 
2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

.

You post THAT lie over and over. The founders did not support free markets. They were protectionist.


False.

Tariffs were a tax to pay for government.

The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861.

Tariffs are not protectionist? Pardon my French but WTF!!!!! lolol



The Constitution did not allow direct taxation of individuals.

You should read it sometime.

You're in error again, Chica! The enumeration tax of Article I, Section 2 was a direct tax, which was made moot with the adoption of Amendment XVI (1913).

Will you admit your error or :dance::dance::dance::dance:????


I'm never wrong.

Take notes:

  1. Through the early 20th century, taxes tended to be low. And higher taxes designed to pay war debts would be paid down quickly and temporary taxes eliminated.
[. Hylton vs United States, 1796...on the constitutionality of a federal carriage tax. "United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that a tax on carriages did not violate the Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 respectively the Article I, Clause 9 requirement for the apportioning of direct taxes. It found the carriage tax was an "excise" instead of a "direct tax" requiring apportionment among the states by population". Hylton v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While earlier decision (Ware v. Hylton) had nullified a state statute, in this case the court refused to nullify a federal statute, in effect giving Congress greater discretion in levying taxes than the ratifiers of the Constitution had intended. So much for federalism.]


  1. As is usual with government policy, taxes crept up over time.
  2. The Civil War produced the first tax on personal income: the Revenue Act of 1861. Interestingly, it was called an ‘indirect’ tax, defined as taxing an ‘event:’ a tax on the event of receiving income….therefore it didn’t have to be ‘apportioned,’ merely imposed uniformly throughout all areas “not in rebellion.”
    1. The tax was moderately progressive, 3% on all income over $800. This meant that most workers didn’t have to pay any tax. Revenue Act of 1861 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  3. The following year, due to a greater need, Congress increased both the rates and the progressivity. The exemption was lowered to $600 @ 3%, and a new 5% on income over $10,000. This, then was the first “progressive,” not flat tax. The law also imposed a duty on paymasters to deduct and withhold the income tax, and to send the withheld tax to the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. Revenue Act of 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1. After the war exemptions were increased, and rates lowered, and in 1872, the tax was abolished.
    2. But, having had a taste of taking and using free money, politicians passed more than 60 bills designed to reinstate the income tax over the next 20 years. David G. Davies, “United States Taxes and Tax Policy,” p. 22.
  4. Socialist, Populist, and Progressive movements paralleled this move, and this desire based on “taxing the rich.” In 1894, the Democrat-controlled Congress passed a bill that included a flat income tax…but part included taxes on income from real estate and personal property, and this triggered a court challenge as a direct tax infracting the Constitution’s apportionment rule,…
    1. Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Company, 157U.S.429(1895),aff'd on reh'g, 158U.S.601(1895), with a ruling of 5–4, was a landmark case in which theSupreme Court of the United Statesruled that the unapportionedincome taxesoninterest,dividendsandrentsimposed by the Income Tax Act of 1894 were, in effect,direct taxes, and were unconstitutional because they violated the provision that direct taxes be apportioned. Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    2. Interesting decision, since the same principles had been upheld vis-à-vis the 1861 Revenue Act…. Springer v. United States,102 U.S. 586(1881),[1]was a case in which theUnited States Supreme Courtupheld the Federalincome taximposed under theRevenue Act of 1864. Springer v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


  5. The Progressives were horrified! They had been focused on forcing the “money class” to pay “in proportion to their ability to pay…’ which, essentially was the first half of “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1. The Progressives launched a campaign designed to reverse this decision, and that culminated with the ratification of the 16th Amendment, in 1913.
 
Here, summarized, is PoliticalChic's style of argument:

Hitler was a Nazi. Hitler loved dogs.

FDR loved dogs.

Therefore, FDR was a Nazi.

That's the logic you lefties are using over and over.

Hitler called himself national socialist.

But Hitler hated communists, therefore Hitler cannot be socialist.
 
In political parlance, a lie is not just something that is not true, but something that is untrue, but serves the purpose of advancing a political agenda.


1. Georges Eugène Sorel (2 November 1847 in Cherbourg – 29 August 1922 in Boulogne-sur-Seine) was a French philosopher and theorist of revolutionary syndicalism. His notion of the power of myth in people's lives inspired Marxists and Fascists, it is, together with his defense of violence, the contribution for which he is most often remembered. Georges Sorel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. His identification of the need for a deliberately-conceived "myth" to sway crowds into concerted action was put to use by the Fascist and Communist movements of the 1920s and after. http://homepage.newschool.edu/het//profiles/sorel.htm

b. "For Sen. [Hillary] Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her "greatness" (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose. "
The case against Hillary Clinton. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine]




2. The 'Greatest Lie" is the one that the modern Liberals tell. They claim that those called Liberals today are the liberals who founded this great nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' whose vision included . individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. That's why they wrote out a detailed Constitution.

a. Communist John Dewey, the one who corrupted education in this country, convinced the Socialist Party to change its name to 'Liberal.' And it's values and doctrines formed those called Liberals today.


The benefit to them, of course, is that the uninformed attribute the greatness of the Founders, of America, to them.




3. The "Second Greatest Lie" is also designed to benefit Leftists. It is that the political spectrum has communists on the left, and the Nazis on the right. It is a conscious and carefully crafted lie. And it is because the Left controls the schools and the media that it has been allowed to survive.

This is what a careful study of history shows:
When the worldwide recession, known as the Great Depression, caused many to believe that capitalism had failed, big government command and control economies took control, promising solutions.

The economic plans of Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Franklin Roosevelt were all variations on the same theme.

a. Many government school grads have been trained to see FDR as a demigod.
"Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Wolfgang Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.



This thread will expound on that "Second Greatest Lie."
By doing so, it will explain why Leftist government schools won't teach real history.

Excellent and in detailed FACTS. but with the low info citizens in this day and age. that is too much for them to take in. and secondly they don't what to believe the cold ugly facts about the party they belong. dumbing down in our education has worked wonders for the Progressive/commie/socialist/democrat party. that's why I think we are too far gone to be saved as a free country and free people. we are starting to see it on our college campuses as we speak. it's just so sad to watch it, but I have over the last 50 years. I feel bad for what my and all our children is going to have to live with. I tell mine I fought as hard as I could to save them a free country and not give them a Tyrant Government.
 
You need an editor. You should have said "Leftist government schools abjure real history".
Yeah. See? That's better. You should use that word more. Really.

The word "abjure" could be used, but to me it means that something is done under pressure. Leftards are doing it willingly. Am I wrong?

Yes you are but don't worry about it. There's a backstory to my post. It's so funny to me I was laughing out loud as I wrote it. I really amuse myself sometimes. If PoliChick has a sense of humor even she might have had a chuckle.
 

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