The Second American Revolution coming......

Fine example of your typically paralyzed intellectual capacity.

Care to go over your China can invade the US scenario?

Keep in mind, they do not even have the capability to invade Taiwan

Care to recite for the edification of everyone the military moves of the PLA over the last decade and more to the point the last five years? The increase of the ability of the PLA to engage in offensive warfare. China used to only have defensive capacity, except for raw numbers and a doubtful C4i to control them. This is less and less the case.

It is doubtful that the Chinese would engage in a zero-sum game like a direct war with us. That is not culturally, the way the Chinese mind works. It is more likely that they would engage in systematic and relentless undermining of our systems rather than direct attack. Some of those activity would involve direct violence, but most would not.

The primary mission of the Chinese military is to keep 1.5 billion Chinese under control. As a military power China does not come close to the US. One ancient carrier to 11 US Super Carriers?

Nuclear capability, Naval strength, Air power, Command and Control, tactics, training, electronic warfare, Information warfare, Intel....China pales by comparison to the US
 
Care to go over your China can invade the US scenario?

Keep in mind, they do not even have the capability to invade Taiwan

Care to recite for the edification of everyone the military moves of the PLA over the last decade and more to the point the last five years? The increase of the ability of the PLA to engage in offensive warfare. China used to only have defensive capacity, except for raw numbers and a doubtful C4i to control them. This is less and less the case.

It is doubtful that the Chinese would engage in a zero-sum game like a direct war with us. That is not culturally, the way the Chinese mind works. It is more likely that they would engage in systematic and relentless undermining of our systems rather than direct attack. Some of those activity would involve direct violence, but most would not.

The primary mission of the Chinese military is to keep 1.5 billion Chinese under control. As a military power China does not come close to the US. One ancient carrier to 11 US Super Carriers?

Nuclear capability, Naval strength, Air power, Command and Control, tactics, training, electronic warfare, Information warfare, Intel....China pales by comparison to the US

A static analysis that does not account for any of the current vital missions that the US forces are currently engaged it. This analysis if only valid of one believes that the only form that war with China can take is something akin to World War II.

As I said in my previous post, the Chinese do not think in those terms. The are not a "chess" culture. Their game of strategy is Go. Conflict is dealt with as a Go player would resolve it, not as a chess player would resolve it. Direct conflict is not rewarded in Go. It usually results in wasting too many resources for very little gain. Avoiding direct conflict and achieving gain at your opponent's expense, is rewarded. Witness Chinese drilling rigs off Florida. Chinese oil exploration and exploitation in Africa.

Again, that's not to say that China will not engage in direct hostile action with us including putting some kind of troops on US soil, but thinking of that as a fleet v. fleet exercise would be and incorrect understanding of the likely form.

In any case, the real barrier to invasion is logistics rather that tactical advantage of one side or another.
 
Care to recite for the edification of everyone the military moves of the PLA over the last decade and more to the point the last five years? The increase of the ability of the PLA to engage in offensive warfare. China used to only have defensive capacity, except for raw numbers and a doubtful C4i to control them. This is less and less the case.

It is doubtful that the Chinese would engage in a zero-sum game like a direct war with us. That is not culturally, the way the Chinese mind works. It is more likely that they would engage in systematic and relentless undermining of our systems rather than direct attack. Some of those activity would involve direct violence, but most would not.

The primary mission of the Chinese military is to keep 1.5 billion Chinese under control. As a military power China does not come close to the US. One ancient carrier to 11 US Super Carriers?

Nuclear capability, Naval strength, Air power, Command and Control, tactics, training, electronic warfare, Information warfare, Intel....China pales by comparison to the US

A static analysis that does not account for any of the current vital missions that the US forces are currently engaged it. This analysis if only valid of one believes that the only form that war with China can take is something akin to World War II.

As I said in my previous post, the Chinese do not think in those terms. The are not a "chess" culture. Their game of strategy is Go. Conflict is dealt with as a Go player would resolve it, not as a chess player would resolve it. Direct conflict is not rewarded in Go. It usually results in wasting too many resources for very little gain. Avoiding direct conflict and achieving gain at your opponent's expense, is rewarded. Witness Chinese drilling rigs off Florida. Chinese oil exploration and exploitation in Africa.

Again, that's not to say that China will not engage in direct hostile action with us including putting some kind of troops on US soil, but thinking of that as a fleet v. fleet exercise would be and incorrect understanding of the likely form.

In any case, the real barrier to invasion is logistics rather that tactical advantage of one side or another.

Our advantage has always been logistics. Thousands of miles of ocean will do that

No question China can challenge us economically. However, their economy must support five times the people. They still have 500 million peasants and lack infrastructure, medical care and educational facilities in the provinces
 
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The primary mission of the Chinese military is to keep 1.5 billion Chinese under control. As a military power China does not come close to the US. One ancient carrier to 11 US Super Carriers?

Nuclear capability, Naval strength, Air power, Command and Control, tactics, training, electronic warfare, Information warfare, Intel....China pales by comparison to the US

A static analysis that does not account for any of the current vital missions that the US forces are currently engaged it. This analysis if only valid of one believes that the only form that war with China can take is something akin to World War II.

As I said in my previous post, the Chinese do not think in those terms. The are not a "chess" culture. Their game of strategy is Go. Conflict is dealt with as a Go player would resolve it, not as a chess player would resolve it. Direct conflict is not rewarded in Go. It usually results in wasting too many resources for very little gain. Avoiding direct conflict and achieving gain at your opponent's expense, is rewarded. Witness Chinese drilling rigs off Florida. Chinese oil exploration and exploitation in Africa.

Again, that's not to say that China will not engage in direct hostile action with us including putting some kind of troops on US soil, but thinking of that as a fleet v. fleet exercise would be and incorrect understanding of the likely form.

In any case, the real barrier to invasion is logistics rather that tactical advantage of one side or another.

Our advantage has always been logistics. Thousands of miles of ocean will do that

No question China can challenge us economically

Military logistics are absolutely a strong point of the US, currently. Less so after a good hollowing out. However, the Chinese take much more to heart than we von Clausewitz' admonition that "War is a continuation of politics by other means." It's all a continuum to the Chinese who will avoid direct conflict if possible while absorbing both that which will make them strong and that which will make us weak. The Joint Chiefs have testified for over a decade that the next 50 years will be characterized by conflict with other Nation-States over the availability of resources. China is shoring up their resource position while we act like idiots wandering in the streets.

They are engaged in an active and potent conflict with us right now and we're too slow to understand the threat let alone counter it with our own moves. They currently are the prime mover in this game and we're not even participating in most of it. In 10 or 20 years we'll realize just how injured we've become, but that day has not come yet. When it does, we'll probably attack. In 20 years, where will the PLA's building effort be? They've stolen enough technology to be competitive. Making it work is another challenge, but they have time. They always have time.

And, to respond to an earlier comment, they don't need stealth technology to keep their people in line. A MiG 2 would be sufficient for that. T-54s work just fine against unarmed peasants. Advanced armor, 5th generation fighter jets, aircraft carriers, these are all things that are responding to an external world, not and internal need.
 
A static analysis that does not account for any of the current vital missions that the US forces are currently engaged it. This analysis if only valid of one believes that the only form that war with China can take is something akin to World War II.

As I said in my previous post, the Chinese do not think in those terms. The are not a "chess" culture. Their game of strategy is Go. Conflict is dealt with as a Go player would resolve it, not as a chess player would resolve it. Direct conflict is not rewarded in Go. It usually results in wasting too many resources for very little gain. Avoiding direct conflict and achieving gain at your opponent's expense, is rewarded. Witness Chinese drilling rigs off Florida. Chinese oil exploration and exploitation in Africa.

Again, that's not to say that China will not engage in direct hostile action with us including putting some kind of troops on US soil, but thinking of that as a fleet v. fleet exercise would be and incorrect understanding of the likely form.

In any case, the real barrier to invasion is logistics rather that tactical advantage of one side or another.

Our advantage has always been logistics. Thousands of miles of ocean will do that

No question China can challenge us economically

Military logistics are absolutely a strong point of the US, currently. Less so after a good hollowing out. However, the Chinese take much more to heart than we von Clausewitz' admonition that "War is a continuation of politics by other means." It's all a continuum to the Chinese who will avoid direct conflict if possible while absorbing both that which will make them strong and that which will make us weak. The Joint Chiefs have testified for over a decade that the next 50 years will be characterized by conflict with other Nation-States over the availability of resources. China is shoring up their resource position while we act like idiots wandering in the streets.

They are engaged in an active and potent conflict with us right now and we're too slow to understand the threat let alone counter it with our own moves. They currently are the prime mover in this game and we're not even participating in most of it. In 10 or 20 years we'll realize just how injured we've become, but that day has not come yet. When it does, we'll probably attack. In 20 years, where will the PLA's building effort be? They've stolen enough technology to be competitive. Making it work is another challenge, but they have time. They always have time.

And, to respond to an earlier comment, they don't need stealth technology to keep their people in line. A MiG 2 would be sufficient for that. T-54s work just fine against unarmed peasants. Advanced armor, 5th generation fighter jets, aircraft carriers, these are all things that are responding to an external world, not and internal need.

Chinas strength is still numbers. Most of those bodies are needed to keep the people under control. By comparison, none of our military is used to keep our people under control

China is currently buying more toys for their military. But the hardware is just the tip of the iceberg. You still need training, logistics, tactics and a world class command structure to use them properly. Otherwise they are just parade pieces
 
Our advantage has always been logistics. Thousands of miles of ocean will do that

No question China can challenge us economically

Military logistics are absolutely a strong point of the US, currently. Less so after a good hollowing out. However, the Chinese take much more to heart than we von Clausewitz' admonition that "War is a continuation of politics by other means." It's all a continuum to the Chinese who will avoid direct conflict if possible while absorbing both that which will make them strong and that which will make us weak. The Joint Chiefs have testified for over a decade that the next 50 years will be characterized by conflict with other Nation-States over the availability of resources. China is shoring up their resource position while we act like idiots wandering in the streets.

They are engaged in an active and potent conflict with us right now and we're too slow to understand the threat let alone counter it with our own moves. They currently are the prime mover in this game and we're not even participating in most of it. In 10 or 20 years we'll realize just how injured we've become, but that day has not come yet. When it does, we'll probably attack. In 20 years, where will the PLA's building effort be? They've stolen enough technology to be competitive. Making it work is another challenge, but they have time. They always have time.

And, to respond to an earlier comment, they don't need stealth technology to keep their people in line. A MiG 2 would be sufficient for that. T-54s work just fine against unarmed peasants. Advanced armor, 5th generation fighter jets, aircraft carriers, these are all things that are responding to an external world, not and internal need.

Chinas strength is still numbers. Most of those bodies are needed to keep the people under control. By comparison, none of our military is used to keep our people under control

China is currently buying more toys for their military. But the hardware is just the tip of the iceberg. You still need training, logistics, tactics and a world class command structure to use them properly. Otherwise they are just parade pieces

1. They don't need them now.
2. When they do need them, they'll have plenty to support their strategy.
3. It won't be WW III
4. They'll sell what they do have to client states that will be an ever increasing pain, especially when they have advanced weapons.
5. Imagine Venezuela with a Stealth bomber (or stealth anything for that matter). Cuba same thing.

China's thinking....."why should the US live in a nice quiet part of the world, let's spice it up for them."

The PLA has more than enough people to supply the interior force and still have the largest military in the world left over. You are correct that the new equipment is just coming on line and not smoothly either. But, that doesn't really matter to either us or them. They'll keep doing it until it's good enough.
 

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