The Second American Revolution coming......

[topspin]

this dude has a job watching trees grow for the government and he's railing against Obama. I bet the Irony is lost on you esquiry gramps?

 

[Ravi]

The Second American Revolution coming......

No, it's not, broomstick cowboy.

So if you want to kill your neighbors because you don't like the way they look or act, you're just going to have to do it on your own.

I'm a little bit surprised at such a blithe response coming from you Edi. Do you really believe the mood of the country is so far removed from the possibility right now that the question doesn't even merit consideration?

If so, I wish I was as assured about that fact as you. I would point out that at the time of the American Revolution only about 33% of the colonists were for separation from England and roughly an equal amount were Tories. If we take this as precedent for where a tipping point might be, what do you believe the percentages are now? Perhaps, more to the point what do you suppose the percentages might be if there is frustration at the ballot box in November. For my part, I don't see a decent into violence unless the people's will is frustrated in November and this crazy headlong leap into Socialism (of whatever character) continues.

Spelling descent d e c e n t makes you look stupid, just sayin'.

 

[Tech_Esq]

No, it's not, broomstick cowboy.

So if you want to kill your neighbors because you don't like the way they look or act, you're just going to have to do it on your own.

I'm a little bit surprised at such a blithe response coming from you Edi. Do you really believe the mood of the country is so far removed from the possibility right now that the question doesn't even merit consideration?

If so, I wish I was as assured about that fact as you. I would point out that at the time of the American Revolution only about 33% of the colonists were for separation from England and roughly an equal amount were Tories. If we take this as precedent for where a tipping point might be, what do you believe the percentages are now? Perhaps, more to the point what do you suppose the percentages might be if there is frustration at the ballot box in November. For my part, I don't see a decent into violence unless the people's will is frustrated in November and this crazy headlong leap into Socialism (of whatever character) continues.

Spelling descent d e c e n t makes you look stupid, just sayin'.

Thanks for the correction on the typo, Ravi! You are correct. It makes me look ridiculous.

 

[Tech_Esq]

this dude has a job watching trees grow for the government and he's railing against Obama. I bet the Irony is lost on you esquiry gramps?

You think his job invalidates his opinion? If you have a government job you should be in favor of every lame thing the government does or just generally in favor of growing government?

 

[topspin]

I think that a guy that watches trees for a living has serious job security issues regardless of party. The cuts will likely come faster from republicans, but if teachers are being cut under dems, I wouldn't think tree watchers are all that safe. IMO

 

[bigrebnc1775]

this dude has a job watching trees grow for the government and he's railing against Obama. I bet the Irony is lost on you esquiry gramps?

I said went to college I never said I completed college in my major. I joined the Air Force and completed some of my requirements for a college degree.

 

[Tech_Esq]

I think that a guy that watches trees for a living has serious job security issues regardless of party. The cuts will likely come faster from republicans, but if teachers are being cut under dems, I wouldn't think tree watchers are all that safe. IMO

If there is a coming pendulum swing, I hope that more serious work than trimming a couple of teachers here (why don't we cut administrators and counselors?) or forest service people there. Entire departments need to be cut. Agencies folded into other departments. A massive reorganization and trimming of federal government programs by at least a third if not half, is what needs to happen.

This is a fundamental and philosophical view that goes beyond what one might do for a living right now.

 

[topspin]

I agree, cut the tree watchers first.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think that a guy that watches trees for a living has serious job security issues regardless of party. The cuts will likely come faster from republicans, but if teachers are being cut under dems, I wouldn't think tree watchers are all that safe. IMO

.To gain a degree in forestry you must take a lot of science and botany courses.

 

[topspin]

I think some college is better than none, but I agree with cutting gov spending
10% accross the board and 50% in military

 

[Tech_Esq]

I think some college is better than none, but I agree with cutting gov spending
10% accross the board and 50% in military

For only when we are defenseless and laid open to our attackers will we be truly free. Do you have any idea the privation and misery suffered by people who have wars fought on their land suffer? By that response, it's clear that you don't.

You need to sign up for remedial college.

Your response puts me in mind of an old Polish joke my "Foreign Policy of the USSR" professor told, only with you the punch line makes no sense:

A Polish guy finds a lamp in the woods, cleans it and a Genie pops out.
The typical three wishes are granted. The Polish guy wishes first for the Mogols to come and destroy his country. The wish is granted.

He renews this wish for the second and third wish. After the Mongols had decimated Poland for the third time the Genie shows back up and says, "I know I'm not supposed to ask, but don't you love your country?" The Pole replies, "Yes, of course." The Genie asks, "Then why did you have the Mongol horde destroy it three times." The Pole replied, "Because the Mongols had to cross Russia six times to do it."

Unfortunately for you TS, you just want your country destroyed without any compensation.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think some college is better than none, but I agree with cutting gov spending
10% accross the board and 50% in military

OK it is my opinion that the federal government should do their job and leave the domestic agenda to each individual state to govern as it chooses

 

[topspin]

esquire your a tard gramps,
we spend more than the next two countries combined.
WTF do we need bases in Germany and France for 60yrs after WWII.
Fuck you and the military industrial complex you whine for.

 

[Tech_Esq]

esquire your a tard gramps,
we spend more than the next two countries combined.
WTF do we need bases in Germany and France for 60yrs after WWII.
Fuck you and the military industrial complex you whine for.

I think you need to check your figures on the PLA. In addition, their currency is cooked. With your big bad accounting degree, you ought to be able to figure out how.

We have no bases in France, WTF are you talking about? We've closed many of the bases in Germany except to ones we've sunk a ton of money into already. We are a part of NATO and we have a treaty obligation to participate. It would be much more expensive to transport armor over to Europe for training exercises a few times a year than to keep it there. In addition, being in Europe with our NATO allies provides us opportunities to work and train with those allies so if there is a war, we stand some chance of actually winning it.

Now, can we discuss numbers of troops in Europe, sure. There is definitely room for that. Are there places that we could draw down, absolutely. I think the Base Realignment and Closing Commission is doing that every year for the last 10 years or more. Walter Reed Army Hospital is closing this year. Several in the DC area have been closed and realigned and more are happening in the next couple of years. All to the good.

Maybe you just don't understand what you're saying. You are saying you want "end strength" in the military reduced by a MASSIVE amount. Operating costs cut MASSIVELY. That means no more training (or very little). When there is training, it will be simulated, no real bullets down range, you just pretend. This makes your force soft and sucky. Weapons systems will need to be moth-balled (like capital ships) and cannibalized (no money for spares). Within two or three years the force will be hollowed out and decimated like no military force could ever do.

This is what you would like to see happen. (Of course all of that leaves aside the two wars we are trying to fight, but I'm sure you would like us to surrender).

 

[topspin]

I'm saying at 50% of current spending we are still way stronger than country #2.
Currently is offensive spending not defense, nobody is stupid enough as an army to attack us.

 

[Tech_Esq]

I'm saying at 50% of current spending we are still way stronger than country #2.
Currently is offensive spending not defense, nobody is stupid enough as an army to attack us.

What do you suppose the military capability of China is? Why do you think it's so weak? Do you have any idea what the magnitude of 1.3 Billion people is? Not to mention what their current industrial capacity is.

Do you recognize this formula? Pp = P + I + L (S x W)?

If not, you might bone up on International Politics. You also need improvement in Military Science. It used to be that the Oceans protected us. Counting on that now is sheer wishful thinking an folly. We've already suffered mightily from a ragtag group of twenty people. Imagine was 100 people split into 50 two man sniper teams attacking major US cities could do. Economic paralysis.

 

[topspin]

OMG we are all so scared of China bombing us. Geezz do you work in the defense industry?

 

[Tech_Esq]

OMG we are all so scared of China bombing us. Geezz do you work in the defense industry?

Never mind. You clearly don't know enough to have this discussion. Have a good day.

 

[topspin]

yeah, cause I'm the only one who wants military spending slashed.
I know we cleary piss away too much of Americans tax payers dollars, only a moron thinks this doesn't apply to the military.
You have a good day too

 

[Dr.Traveler]

OMG we are all so scared of China bombing us. Geezz do you work in the defense industry?

Never mind. You clearly don't know enough to have this discussion. Have a good day.

Tech,

You surely do agree though that there are places where Military spending can be cut, or at the very least reassigned. Its a well known fact that the Pentagon has a hard time cutting orders on *obsolete* military hardware if it happens that the gear is made in the home district of a powerful Congressman. Military spending on unnecessary military bases, obsolete or malfunctioning equipment, etc remains one of the most popular forms of pork.

I do believe that we have to keep our technological advantage. I'm a big supporter of the JTF fighter, despite the cost of the project. I'd just like to see cuts in military spending in places where its clear the base or project is 100% pork and 0% useful.