The Same Old "Tragedy" Again

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    East Pittsburgh residents demand answers in 17-year-old's death


    Here we have the same repeated story that hits the news with some regularity:

    Unarmed "Black" kid is fatally shot by police...justification unknown...the community is outraged...he was a "sweet" kid, never got into trouble...what a tragedy!

    As a cynical old "White Person," even I have to ask the general question, When is it appropriate for police to use deadly force against someone who is running away from them?

    But this question is never satisfactorily answered.

    Now for my comments: Why did the kid run? He had nothing to do with the police stopping the car. It was probably a traffic violation, and the target of the police was the jitney driver, not the kid/passenger.

    Why did he have a gun (actually, 2 guns)? Although it is common "knowledge" that police carry around spare untraceable guns to deposit at shooting scenes so they can claim that the perp was armed, it is impossible to make that claim here, since the driver is still alive, and in fact is not in custody. Those guns belonged to the "sweet" kid.

    Good kids don't carry multiple unregistered handguns. Innocent people do not reflexively run from police. Many criminals lead exemplary lives when they are not actively perpetrating crimes, so the fact that an accused person "volunteers at the food bank" is not proof of anything with respect to any criminal activity.

    And yet, I guarantee that none of the coverage of this incident will ask those two questions: why did he run, and why was he carrying TWO guns? If he ran because he had a fear that the police are out to get him, then he was badly misinformed. He was 100 times more likely to be shot by another Black Yoot than a policeman...until he fucked up.

    It will be interesting to see what the police explanation turns out to be. The "community" reaction is foregone. Preachers being outraged, a Mother (seldom a father) crying over the grave, a neighborhood grandma saying that the community had to DO SOMETHING. We've seen it all before.
     
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    They pulled the car over because it was gray and had bullet holes in the glass.
    The description given by neighbors who witnessed the drive by shooting.
     
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    The line between those who deserve it and those who don’t has become too blurred. Too many bad cops have gotten away with it over the years, often to cheers.
     
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    By all means, the cops' actions should be thoroughly examined and if wrongful, they should be held accountable. Again, deadly force on someone who is running away? Unless it is an extremely dangerous felon, I don't see it.

    Just want to see someone say, "This kid was starting down the wrong road; too bad he got shot, but it was partly his own fault."

    But I won't hold my breath.
     
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    People like clean, clear cut blame when it comes to these things. They don't want to hear about cascade failures, or chains of events leading to something bad.
     
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    When exactly has it ever been ok to shoot someone in the back that is running away that doesn't have a gun in their hand?

    Isn't that this!?




    This shit has to stop, period.
     
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    The only people who can really say that are the people who know him. And maybe we could say that as strangers had he got arrested, but he was unarmed and shot to death, so the officer made a decision to kill him and that's who is at fault.
     
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    A few further facts come to light. The kid who got shot was not the only passenger in the jitney, a second kid took off and is still at large. The jitney driver has been interviewed and released... not involved with anything. Apparently there are still some eyewitnesses who are still not cooperating.

    The deceased had an empty 9mm clip in his pocket. Reports are that he had gunshot residue on his hands, though this has not been corroborated - crime lab reports have not formally been released. Video exists of the prior drive-by shooting, and reports are that the deceased was the shooter...again, not corroborated yet. The DA is playing this very close to the vest.

    Since this killing, there have been mass demonstrations each night in various venues, chosen to create as much disruption as possible. Outside a Pirate baseball game (on Fireworks night), a popular drinking locale (South Side), a heavily traveled highway (Parkway East). In all cases, the demonstrations have been illegal, relatively peaceful, and un-bothered by the police.

    While this occurred outside the City of Pittsburgh and the Pittsburgh police had NOTHING to do with any of it, it appears that the demonstrators are relying on a weak, leftist, sympathetic mayor in Pittsburgh, who will tolerate this lawlessness rather than being seen as unsympathetic to Knee-Grows.

    The boy's mother is nowhere to be seen in the demonstrations. Indeed none of the demonstrators have any apparent connection to the deceased. The boy's father is nowhere to be seen in the demonstrations, nor is any claimed relative (uncle, aunt, whatever). The "innocent Yoot" meme has been abandoned, in favor of "running away from the police does not warrant a death sentence."

    However, what if the arresting/shooting officer had correctly concluded that the boys running away were the perpetrators of the drive-by shooting fifteen minutes earlier? What if he thought they were still armed and dangerous? He could not have known as he shot that the handguns presumably used in the prior shooting were left lying in the jitney.

    Would that not make the shooting understandable, if not fully justified?

    Apparently, the shooting officer has not been formally "interviewed" yet. Certainly, his lawyer will coach him intensely on this sort of presentation of the situation and his actions.

    No justice, no peace. What is justice?
     
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    No.
     
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    I would rather have drive by shooters shot than innocent people killed by drive by shooters. ..seems like no brainer
     
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