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The Jews were never cruel to the Palestinians, they just did what they had to do to survive the Palestinians' determination to destroy Jews/Israel. In the last 100 years, there has never been a minute when the so called Palestinians were willing to live in peace with Jews/Israel. You consistently try to justify Palestinian violence against Jews, and then pretend to lament the consequences of those actions.Where was your family from? Ukraine, Poland, Russia????
I used to think the reason the Jews were so cruel to the Palestinians was because of how they were treated in Europe.
No group would, and that's why Israel is destroying Hamas and rejecting a Palestinian state because the genocide of the Jews has consistently been the ambition of the Palestinians leaderships since 1920's. Consider the Grand Mufti's pact with Hitler to jointly kill all the Jews in the ME and Hamas' consistent boast about wanting to capture all of Israel, or the airheads and terrorists who chant 'from the river to the sea' or the wild enthusiasm that greets every murder of every Jew by the Palestinian public, or you, a consistent advocate for the ethnic cleansing and murders of the Jews of the ME. No people who hoped to survive would do anything different from what Israel is doing now.
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No people who hoped to survive would do anything different from what Israel is doing now.
The conflict began in 1920 when the British took over and the Arabs tried to kill or frighten away all the Jews in Palestine and ethnically cleanse all the ancient Jewish villages in Judea and Samaria, and it continued when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Berlin to sign a pact with Hitler to kill all the Jews in the ME and when the Arab League promised a genocide of all the Jews if they declared a state in 1948, and it has continued to Hamas and their passionate admirers in the West Bank when they raped, tortured and murdered all the Israeli civilians they could find. From 1920 right down to today, the Palestinians have had one single goal for which they are willing to sacrifice their children generation after generation, and that goal is to destroy all the Jews in Palestine. The Nakba is their expression off grief that their genocidal ambitions in 1948 were unsuccessful.You're ignoring the fact that this conflict began long before Israel helped form Hamas.
Palestine's native Nakba survivors suffered the same loss of life and property as Holocaust survivors only they have received decades of torment instead of decades of reparations $.
People who try to justify Zionist genocide and land theft ignore the core reality that ever since the invasion of foreign Zionist terrorist gangs, Israel and its Zionist terrorists have never wanted peace. (1)
It has wanted Palestine's native residents dead and / or gone and the current Gaza Genocide proves that.
The same can be said of Palestine's native residents.
Do they have less of a right to survive because they're not the "Right" ethnic group?
(1) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291
EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.
Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.
The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise.
In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED
Palestine's native Nakba survivors suffered the same loss of life and property as Holocaust survivors only they have received decades of torment instead of decades of reparations $.
The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise.
– a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.
I remain entirely confused as to why Jews living Palestine should be any different than Arab Palestinians living in Israel. Why is this an obstacle to peace?The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project.
Wake up, Israel dis not exist before 1947adSo we agree the Palestinians have never been willing to live in peace with Israel, or before 1948 with the Jews,
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.and that means talk of two states is nonsense.
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Tod, the reason is simple enough, it is not nor was it ever Jewish land.Arabs didn't want land for peace, why shouldn't the Jews build settlements on Jewish land?
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Tod, the reason is simple enough, it is not nor was it ever Jewish land.
The truth will set you free
Now prove me wrong or crawl back into that crack hole you came from.
Ps no offense intended or implied, just a little dry humor.
The Jews had no ancestral homeland. Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?ancient Jewish villages
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-I remain entirely confused as to why Jews living Palestine should be any different than Arab Palestinians living in Israel. Why is this an obstacle to peace?
Arabs didn't want land for peace, why shouldn't the Jews build settlements on Jewish land?
The conflict began in 1920 when the British took over and the Arabs tried to kill or frighten away all the Jews in Palestine and ethnically cleanse all the ancient Jewish villages in Judea and Samaria, and it continued when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Berlin to sign a pact with Hitler to kill all the Jews in the ME and when the Arab League promised a genocide of all the Jews if they declared a state in 1948, and it has continued to Hamas and their passionate admirers in the West Bank when they raped, tortured and murdered all the Israeli civilians they could find. From 1920 right down to today, the Palestinians have had one single goal for which they are willing to sacrifice their children generation after generation, and that goal is to destroy all the Jews in Palestine. The Nakba is their expression off grief that their genocidal ambitions in 1948 were unsuccessful.
That is the context in which everything else has happened.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk
I think that you're forgetting that the Arabs' fulfillment of the terms of the McMahon Agreement of 1915 entitled them to Palestine (1) where they had lived long before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (2)
The machinations of Zionist lobbies and international bankers in London that brought about the Balfour Agreement is largely responsible for the existing conflict and the simple act of "entitled" foreign Jews stealing Arab land continues to fuel Palestinian resistance to foreign, Zionist genocide.
Even a cursory study of Zionist - National Socialist relations show much more co operation between Zionists and Nazis than between the Arabs and Germany's National Socialist government with the Haavara Agreement as just one example:
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After all, there were high ranking Jews in the Nazi party (3) and about 150,000 full and mixed Jews in HItler's military. (4)
(1). "The McMahon Agreement"
The McMahon Agreement - History Learning Site
The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East...
EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED
(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19
Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
(3). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent
EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
(4). “Hitler's Jewish Army”
EXCERPTS "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval.
Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including:
Two field marshals, Fifteen generals, Two full generals,
Eight lieutenant generals, Five major generals, "commanding up to 100,000 troops."
In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross." CONTINUED
Ironically, the excerpt you cited is from the Jewish source, Haaretz(1) and clearly articulates the reasons that Right Wing Zionists prefer conflict over peace because conflict allows them to steal more land.
I think that you're forgetting that the Arabs' fulfillment of the terms of the McMahon Agreement of 1915 entitled them to Palestine
I think that you're forgetting that the Arabs' fulfillment of the terms of the McMahon Agreement of 1915 entitled them to Palestine (1) where they had lived long before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (2)
The machinations of Zionist lobbies and international bankers in London that brought about the Balfour Agreement is largely responsible for the existing conflict and the simple act of "entitled" foreign Jews stealing Arab land continues to fuel Palestinian resistance to foreign, Zionist genocide.
Even a cursory study of Zionist - National Socialist relations show much more co operation between Zionists and Nazis than between the Arabs and Germany's National Socialist government with the Haavara Agreement as just one example:
View attachment 885544
After all, there were high ranking Jews in the Nazi party (3) and about 150,000 full and mixed Jews in HItler's military. (4)
(1). "The McMahon Agreement"
The McMahon Agreement - History Learning Site
The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East...
EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED
(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19
Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
(3). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent
EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
(4). “Hitler's Jewish Army”
EXCERPTS "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval.
Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including:
Two field marshals, Fifteen generals, Two full generals,
Eight lieutenant generals, Five major generals, "commanding up to 100,000 troops."
In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross." CONTINUED
As always, your post is irrelevant to the issue at hand: that since 1920 there has never been a minute when the so called Palestinians were willing to live in peace with Jews/Israel, and have been consistently plotting a genocide of the Jews. Without peace, there can be no Palestinian state, and that means Israel must maintain security control over the territories until such time the Palestinians decide to live in peace with Israel.
