The Pledge of Allegiance

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    Thanks MtnBiker, you are certainly on point here. I would love to see what authority anyone claims that this country is supposed to be "devoid" of religion.

    If I may, "When in the course of human events it become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal stations to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them. A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they declare the causes which compel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with..."

    Oh Psycho, have you got that one?

    Or, possibly, this one:

    "And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God."


    Or this one still:


    "but not without resorting once more to the benign Parent of the Human Race in humble supplication that, since He has been pleased to favor the American people with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquillity, and dispositions for deciding with unparalleled unanimity on a form of government for the security of their union and the advancement of their happiness, so His divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend..."

    I could go on..perhaps with that little law, written by our founding fathers in 1789 which sets up our judiciary and requires them to swear before GOD.

    And, yet, I feel no need to go on for my point is now proven that the founding fathers clearly had no intention of making the country "devoid" of religion.
     
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    Ok...where to start. First off, the idea of separation of church and state has been in this country since it was founded. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison led the fight in Virginia to eliminate any favors for the Christian religion. As far as the religious references in documents, yes the Declaration of Independence contains many religious references. When one is trying to stir up support for a rebellion, one must use strong propaganda, and that is what Jefferson did. This is not now, nor has it ever been a "Christian nation". There have been Jews here for well over 200 years, Catholics and Protestants lived side by side in colonial times. The first amendment was specifically designed to keep government out of religion and religion out of government. Dwight Eisenhower forced the change in the pledge through a congress terrified by McCarthyism. Theodore Roosevelt tried to remove In God We Trust from American coins both because he believed it was unconstitutional (the constitution makes NO reference to anything religious except for the date "in the year of our lord") and also because it was sacriligious. Our country need not be devoid of religion, our government does.
     

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