The Pledge of Allegiance

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    I support removing the phrase "under god" from the Pledge. This phrase was not in the pledge of allegiance as originally written by a Methodist minister. It originally read "one nation, indivisible..." The "under god" was added by Dwight Eisenhower during the height of McCarthyism so we would not be godless commies. This is not, has never been "one nation under god" First of all, which "god" are we under? Allah? Yahweh? Jehoveh? How about Buddha? And which version...Catholic? Methodist? Baptist? Mormon? Muslim? Buddhist? My pledging allegiance to one nation under god are we then forced to believe in a god? I'm an agnostic, and I know several people who are Atheists...Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison were all Deists...would be they be expelled today?

    We are not "one nation under god" we are "one nation" so let's pledge to be something we are and instead of something we should not be.
     
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    this country came about because folks wanted religous freedom, so I feel in a way we are bound to it, 'under G-D ' the way I see it is ment to be the supreme being that you answer to. Far as Im concerned different name same being anyway. so would this not make us" one nation under G-D " G-D being that many named supreme being? If you dont believe in a supreme being say the pledge but skip the under G-D, easy enough. the same could be said of the dollar bill.....in G-D we trust......:cof:
     
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    For the record "In God We Trust" did not appear on paper money until the 1950s when Eisenhower put it there...it was in the same package of changes that affected the Pledge, and since this has been beaten to death, I'll bring up something else.

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    Eisenhower put it there? It was sent through congress, all the president did was approve it.

    The "In god we trust" goes back much farther than that when discussing US currency. The whole idea behing placing that on the money started in the 1800's. The first US currency to bear this inscription was in 1864.
     
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    Sorry! but I think it's SICK to remove it - as well as the 10 commandments and everything else!!!!!

    As a kid, we always did the pledge of allegiance!
    the statue of 10 commandments, well, sad too, those that didn't like it, should just not have bothered to look at it.
    Just as the FLAG, not wanting it waved in areas for fear of bothering some - TOUGH! this is OUR Country, this is OUR FLAG, no like - GET OUT!!! it's just a shame that all that is taken out of this Country to cater to some!!! Again, you can look back to 9/11 and those that have asked "how could God let this happen" well, these are some simple reasons why, his name has been taken out of people's lives.
     
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    I'm all for taking the 'indivisible' part out... but maybe that's just my Southern heritage bleeding out! :)
     
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    "Under God" denotes a religious preference or recognition. We, whether you want to recognize it or not, are a nation with a government that chose in it's very beginning to be devoid of religion. You say, they say , I say as this relates to religion is a many times debated subject. Our founding fathers rejected religion as a premise or foundation for our government. Do a little reading, PLEASE.
     
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    Perhaps a little reading is in order: from the Declaration of Independence to the settlement treaty with Britain to the Constitution itself, there are references to divinity, "our Lord" and "their Creator"...

    to whom, do you suppose, they refer???
     
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    Our founding fathers were looking into the future, they were thinking of Franklin D. Roosevelt the creator of the New Deal.
     

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