The Perception of Cheating is the Real Danger to Democracy

[Uncensored2008]

Does GOD talk to you???

 

[presonorek]

We don't have national elections. This isn't a discussion. There are 50 separate issues. Cheating in Pennsylvania has nothing to do with cheating in Wisconsin. Cheating in Wisconsin has nothing to do with cheating in Pennsylvania. All 50 states handle their elections however they want. The US Congress, the US Senate, nor the president of the United States can address this bull crap. Even if cheating exists it doesn't matter unless it is happening in your state. What happens in another state is none of your business whatsoever. This is one of those dumb discussion that will last for decades because our country is full of morons.

This is like its sister non-issue, gerrymandering.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Yeah, that doesn't work.

A theory is something that isn't proven.

It is a FACT that courts refused to consider cases for a year.

It's speculation that fear of reprisal by the fascist democrats was the reason - but that the halls of justice were slammed shut for a year is irrefutable fact.



This is why I say you're a mindless hack.

No facts, no argument - just 3rd grade schoolyard taunts.

Fuck off now, you're worthless.

You’re whining about schoolyard taunts?! Lmao. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Fact: You lost.
Fact: You’re going to make up excuses with every one of your losses. You can accept that you simply lost.
Fact: You’re sad that you lost.
Fact: I’m happy that you’re sad.

 

[XponentialChaos]

What I will do for you is to wash your mouth out with cleaning fluid. It needs it. You love the “bitch” word which usually excites the 14 year olds. You use it because you are immature and undeveloped and have no other method to “express” yourself.

Right. But it’s mature to call someone a Nazi over and over.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Election Integrity: 50% Think Cheating Likely in Midterms

Many voters still believe cheating affected the 2020 presidential election, and a majority fear the upcoming midterm elections could be tainted by cheating.

www.rasmussenreports.com

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.

It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.

If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Waiting weeks for the results of a simple midterm election would make anyone suspicious especially when a big state like Florida can deliver voting results on election night.

Because the US seems to run on conspiracy theories, people are so lazy they can't even be bothered to think.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And how "the camera went down in Nevada"...for 9 hours. Sure.

The MSM and Dems won't be able to gaslight this one. People saw what they saw and they understand what they understand.

Derp…
Not a Republican involved with processing ballots anywhere. All cheating Dems.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Oh please. Look at what's happening in AZ and NV and tell me that has anything to do with Trump.

The weakness of the candidates during the mid terms of a Dem president and the perception of the party in general certainly does.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

this stands out to me from OP

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. ..they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

another thing stands out also

Isn't it interesting, all by itself, that the few libs here.. It seems ALL of them came out at once to react to this thread!

Yes, that is interesting, all by itself.. something like the first 10 posts in response are from demonrats..

quite telling IMO

Prove an actual problem exists before suggesting a “fix”. Otherwise you’re just in the weeds screaming at trees.

Perception is what it is because there are those who benefit from you believing so. They pound it into your heads relentlessly.

What’s truly telling is that the actual states don’t find what you claim. Yet you claim it anyway.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

yeh, that's interesting.. why SC doesn't do anything, doesn't take any of thecases.. Do they want us to loss our system of .. the system the Founders set up?

scary

which part of that system do they want to get rid of? The whole thing?

But maybe they are just waiting for the right case.. that kind of thing happened with Roe.. The SC is rather complicated to non-lawyers. But I have studied some law and.. still don't get it.. But I think I will do more Searches on this kind of thing.

Psst… they don’t hear it because it has no merit.

 

[EMH]

To restore "confidence" in dominion machines

Everyone USMB should support a full audit of VA 7


It is precisely those here opposing audits who undermine confidence....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Or as I predicted, no updates on the Piglosi assault. Gone. Disappeared into thin air.

Literally just watched one. Dude is about to be arraigned on federal charges.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It’s not insurrection nor terrorist to declare that the same areas time after time who straggle in with vote computation are doing so by design. It’s reasoning.

Faulty reasoning but…yeah.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Because nothing says our elections are safe and secure when democrats are still “counting votes” on Veterans Day

Only Dems are counting votes?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Democrats want fact checkers for memes, tweets, and satirical Facebook posts, but they see no need to check a claim that a person is a registered voter voting under his own name.

Umm… voters in PA need to request mail in ballots.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The facts say you are wrong.

The overwhelming majority of Trump-backed candidates won their general elections.

In safe districts.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The mules could be IDd. Lets start there. Dominions machines need to be forensiclly audited no excuses. The ballots should be able to be viewed at once. No stalling, results.

Do you think that is going to happen? Not with the scum we have leading country. You voted to destroy this country and it looks like it is going to happen. It will catch up with you.

Why do the machines need to be forensically audited when the hand counts matched multiple times? Do you ever think through any of your allegations or just like the way it sounds?

 

[Seymour Flops]

In safe districts.

Why were they safe, if they were election deniers?

Oh, because Dems did not run voting in those districts.

Psst… they don’t hear it because it has no merit.

They had no way to know that without hearing it.

Election fraud is a hot potato that no court wants to pick up.

But that doesn't prove fraud is non-existent.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Why were they safe, if they were election deniers?

Oh, because Dems did not run voting in those districts.


They had no way to know that without hearing it.

Election fraud is a hot potato that no court wants to pick up.

But that doesn't prove fraud is non-existent.

Safe districts where no Dem would’ve won regardless.
Nothing of merit was presented to the courts.
They said as much.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We don't have national elections. This isn't a discussion. There are 50 separate issues. Cheating in Pennsylvania has nothing to do with cheating in Wisconsin. Cheating in Wisconsin has nothing to do with cheating in Pennsylvania. All 50 states handle their elections however they want. The US Congress, the US Senate, nor the president of the United States can address this bull crap. Even if cheating exists it doesn't matter unless it is happening in your state. What happens in another state is none of your business whatsoever. This is one of those dumb discussion that will last for decades because our country is full of morons.

This is like its sister non-issue, gerrymandering.

Is that what you really think, that what people do in other states doesn't affect me?

My congress people win the election. What good does that do on the national level if they can't get anything passed because they are in the minority party because other states allowed cheating to go on? Of course it matters because our reps don't just vote what goes on in our state. They are voting on national issues like the feeral budget, the military, federal social programs, taxation.

John Festerman will likely be the deciding vote on national matters, and you don't think that affects those of us not living in PA?