The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ Coyote, et al,

You have this backwards.

• UK MEMORANDUM NAMES COMMISSION AS SUCCESSOR GOVERNMENT •
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.

What treaty gave Palestinian land to Israel?

(COMMENT)

It was NOT "Palestinian Land." (This ownership claim is often made by pro-Palestinians.) The Armistice Argeements were between the belligerents. The peace treaties cover those engagements.

All Arab Palestinians want to box-up the treaties, because they have explicite findings on the International boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

It was NOT "Palestinian Land

Then whose was it?

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

We've gone over this a zillion times.

Then whose was it?
Link?

(COMMENT)

The territory was in the hands of the Allied Powers for final dispsition. In the case of 15 May 1948, it transitioned from the care of the UK as its Mandatory to the UN Palistine Commission working under the Security Council in the accomplishment of the Step Preparatory for Independence of Israel. The Arab Higher Committee (Palestinian) rejected any participation in the Steps Preparatory to Independence; their decision → in keeping with the all the previous rejections of participation in nation building since 1922 (three just in the first year).

It was becoming something beyond the abiity of the Arab Palestinians to grasp. Since you cannot grasp that, it makes no matter as long as you understand that it was not under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians (ever).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

We've gone over this a zillion times.

Then whose was it?
Link?

(COMMENT)

The territory was in the hands of the Allied Powers for final dispsition. In the case of 15 May 1948, it transitioned from the care of the UK as its Mandatory to the UN Palistine Commission working under the Security Council in the accomplishment of the Step Preparatory for Independence of Israel. The Arab Higher Committee (Palestinian) rejected any participation in the Steps Preparatory to Independence; their decision → in keeping with the all the previous rejections of participation in nation building since 1922 (three just in the first year).

It was becoming something beyond the abiity of the Arab Palestinians to grasp. Since you cannot grasp that, it makes no matter as long as you understand that it was not under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians (ever).

Most Respectfully,
R

In the case of 15 May 1948, it transitioned from the care of the UK as its Mandatory to the UN Palistine Commission working under the Security Council in the accomplishment of the Step Preparatory for Independence of Israel.

That was part of resolution 181 that was not implemented.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, you have to read this very closely. They use small words.

That was part of resolution 181 that was not implemented.

(COMMENT)

I've emphasized the most important sentence.

UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/169
17 May 1948

PALESTINE COMMISSION ADJOURNS SINE DIE


The Palestine Commission, at its 75th Meeting today, adjourned sine die. The action came at 4:06 P.M. after a thirty-five minute meeting. The first meeting of the Commission had been on January 9.

In adjourning the Commission, Dr. Karel Lisicky (Czechoslovakia), the Chairman said: "We disperse with our conscience clear. We have no fear about the judgment of history."

It was the general view of the Commission members that the General Assembly resolution of last November 29 remained intact and that therefore the Commission was not and could not be legally dissolved.

The text of the General Assembly resolution adopted last Friday night as it refers to the Commission reads:

• 
  "The General Assembly,
  
  "Having adopted a resolution providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities,
  
  "Resolves to express its full appreciation for the work performed by the Palestine Commission in pursuance of its mandate from the General Assembly."
  

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

Dr. Paul Diez de Medina (Bolivia) said that the Assembly last Friday did only two things. First, he said, "it appointed a mediator between the parties and that in itself is reaffirmation of partition." The second part of the reference to the Commission expressed appreciation for the work performed, and that, he said, was also reaffirmation for partition.

Dr. Lisicky said that "in view of the fact that we legally cannot disband ourselves, we shall be dead under the legal fiction that we continue."

It was pointed out that at a later stage the Assembly might decide to revive the Commission, or a similar body.

There were a number of outstanding matters still before the Commission and Per Federspiel (Denmark) said that a number of legal decisions had been made either by the Commission or the former Mandatory and that it should be quite clear where matters were left.

Dr. Lisicky and Dr. Morgan paid tribute for all members of the Commission to the work of the Secretariat, and Dr. Lisicky thanked the members of the Commission. Dr. Ralph Bunche, Principal Secretary of the Commission, in turn, said the Secretariat was happy to have worked with the Palestine Commission. The meeting then adjourned sine die.
Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

I know that the Arab Palestinians like to ignore any official communica that does not conform to their version of history. But this peice of misinformation you spread is easily refuted. The Pro-Palestinian arguement is based on the mistaken belief that BOTH the Jewish and Arab sides had to approve and accept. That is simply not the case.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, you have to read this very closely. They use small words.

That was part of resolution 181 that was not implemented.

(COMMENT)

I've emphasized the most important sentence.

UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/169
17 May 1948

PALESTINE COMMISSION ADJOURNS SINE DIE


The Palestine Commission, at its 75th Meeting today, adjourned sine die. The action came at 4:06 P.M. after a thirty-five minute meeting. The first meeting of the Commission had been on January 9.

In adjourning the Commission, Dr. Karel Lisicky (Czechoslovakia), the Chairman said: "We disperse with our conscience clear. We have no fear about the judgment of history."

It was the general view of the Commission members that the General Assembly resolution of last November 29 remained intact and that therefore the Commission was not and could not be legally dissolved.

The text of the General Assembly resolution adopted last Friday night as it refers to the Commission reads:

• 
  "The General Assembly,
  
  "Having adopted a resolution providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities,
  
  "Resolves to express its full appreciation for the work performed by the Palestine Commission in pursuance of its mandate from the General Assembly."

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

Dr. Paul Diez de Medina (Bolivia) said that the Assembly last Friday did only two things. First, he said, "it appointed a mediator between the parties and that in itself is reaffirmation of partition." The second part of the reference to the Commission expressed appreciation for the work performed, and that, he said, was also reaffirmation for partition.

Dr. Lisicky said that "in view of the fact that we legally cannot disband ourselves, we shall be dead under the legal fiction that we continue."

It was pointed out that at a later stage the Assembly might decide to revive the Commission, or a similar body.

There were a number of outstanding matters still before the Commission and Per Federspiel (Denmark) said that a number of legal decisions had been made either by the Commission or the former Mandatory and that it should be quite clear where matters were left.

Dr. Lisicky and Dr. Morgan paid tribute for all members of the Commission to the work of the Secretariat, and Dr. Lisicky thanked the members of the Commission. Dr. Ralph Bunche, Principal Secretary of the Commission, in turn, said the Secretariat was happy to have worked with the Palestine Commission. The meeting then adjourned sine die.
Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

I know that the Arab Palestinians like to ignore any official communica that does not conform to their version of history. But this peice of misinformation you spread is easily refuted. The Pro-Palestinian arguement is based on the mistaken belief that BOTH the Jewish and Arab sides had to approve and accept. That is simply not the case.

Most Respectfully,
R

I know, you have posted this many times. But facts on the ground and other documents say otherwise. Like neither Britain nor the Security Council would implement it. The US withdrew its support and was offering different suggestions. Of all the things that had to be done, none of it was done.

You can post that as many times as you want but resolution 181 didn't happen.

 

[watchingfromafar]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

 

[watchingfromafar]

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

 

[rylah]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

 

[rylah]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

Yep P F Tinmore , so simple and still nothing to refute.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

 

[Hollie]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

Aren’t you the clown who insists that the Treaty of Lausanne created your imagined “country of Pally’land”?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

Aren’t you the clown who insists that the Treaty of Lausanne created your imagined “country of Pally’land”?

No.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

Whatever the reason, pro-Palestinians like the organism HAMAS, wants to be truthful, or in the case --- they want to be truthful again; but simply cannot make it.

Aren’t you the clown who insists that the Treaty of Lausanne created your imagined “country of Pally’land”?

No.

(OBSERVATIONS)

While • Posting 33 • RE: One State only goes back to the beginning of 2015, you've made the exact same point many times before then and many time after; as in • Posting 126 • RE: Israel's Independence Day!.

Each of these examples triggered a long debate, as have the ones that came before and the one's that came after.

I'm not saying there is a case of the Pinocchio Syndrome; but, I'm chuckling from the sidelines.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

Whatever the reason, pro-Palestinians like the organism HAMAS, wants to be truthful, or in the case --- they want to be truthful again; but simply cannot make it.

Aren’t you the clown who insists that the Treaty of Lausanne created your imagined “country of Pally’land”?

No.

(OBSERVATIONS)

While • Posting 33 • RE: One State only goes back to the beginning of 2015, you've made the exact same point many times before then and many time after; as in • Posting 126 • RE: Israel's Independence Day!.

Each of these examples triggered a long debate, as have the ones that came before and the one's that came after.

I'm not saying there is a case of the Pinocchio Syndrome; but, I'm chuckling from the sidelines.


Most Respectfully,
R

I read Tinmore's response and was left suffering an FPM episode (Face Palm Moment).

 

[rylah]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference,

Where did it say that?

 

[rylah]

So, I ask. WHAT territory does the Arab Palestinian have sovereignty???

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference,

Where did it say that?

In the part where it incorporates the Balfour Declaration, and converts it into a binding act of international law:

San Remo Resolution – 25 April 1920

It was agreed –

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the procès-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd] November, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

All of Palestine

International law and Israeli settlements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[15] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The majority of legal scholars hold the settlements to violate international law, while others have offered dissenting views supporting the Israeli position.[2]

International law and Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

Personally I believe these illegal settlements should be bombed out of existence'.

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference,

Where did it say that?

In the part where it incorporates the Balfour Declaration, and converts it into a binding act of international law:

San Remo Resolution – 25 April 1920

It was agreed –

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the procès-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd] November, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine;

Indeed.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference,

Where did it say that?

In the part where it incorporates the Balfour Declaration, and converts it into a binding act of international law:

San Remo Resolution – 25 April 1920

It was agreed –

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the procès-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd] November, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine;

Indeed.

It was the rights of Jews to live in Gaza, TransJordan, Hebron, all of Judea and Samaria, and the Jewish Quarter (mark the name of the Quarter) which were forcefully surrendered by the Jews by many attacks from 1920 to 1948.

Your "indeed" is beyond meaningless when faced with what actually happened between those years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This clown thinks that San Remo was a land treaty.

First of all I don't understand what land treaty are You looking for, between Jews and Israel?

That's not what H.Grief presents, basically I think he summed it up in the end:
Sovereignty was transferred to the Jewish nation over all of Palestine in 2 steps:
tire 1 - From the defeated Central Powers to the Principled Allied Powers at the end of WW!
tire 2 - At the San Remo conference that sovereignty was then devolved to each national beneficiaries of the Mandates. Palestine was a class A Mandate together with Iraq and Syria.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference, combined with art.22 of the League of Nations the two together formed sovereignty over Palestine, and that was given to the Jewish nation.

The sovereignty was vested with the Jewish people from April 24 1920 at San Remo Conference,

Where did it say that?

In the part where it incorporates the Balfour Declaration, and converts it into a binding act of international law:

San Remo Resolution – 25 April 1920

It was agreed –

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the procès-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd] November, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine;

Indeed.

It was the rights of Jews to live in Gaza, TransJordan, Hebron, all of Judea and Samaria, and the Jewish Quarter (mark the name of the Quarter) which were forcefully surrendered by the Jews by many attacks from 1920 to 1948.

Your "indeed" is beyond meaningless when faced with what actually happened between those years.

All of those attacks happened after the Zionist invasion.