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To reduce this debate to thread title IS trolling. Once again I ask nicely, ON topic. Do NOT troll.Please quit trolling my thread with your off topic antics. There ARE on topic valid points being made here.@Statistikhengst Just a little add here before I drop this subject. You are arguing the CDZ is about content control and my stance is the CDZ is about self control. But we have another problem here as well.
YOU chose to avoid the topic and presented a straw man argument that had nothing to do with content/message. That would be a troll INSIDE the CDZ which is NOT allowed as I understand it.
Your complaint should have been made using the report button and NOT in the thread. If I understand the rules correct. Good day.
Uhm, no.
The CDZ is about honesty and civility in debate.
You were not honest when you characterized the video as "non-partisan". It is anything but non-partisan.
There is no rule against presenting a partisan video in the CDZ. Have at it. Only, you should then be truthful about it. That would not make the video any less relevant, well, assuming that the linkage between the video and your intent in the OP title is there. And sure, the guy in the video can express any opinion he wants to. Where, oh where did I say that he does not have that right?
Furthermore, your OP Title:
The Nuts And Bolts Of The Coming Hillary Defeat
has absolutely nothing to do with the video you use as the basis for your argument. That video attempts to show why Trump is doing well among Republicans. It actually has little to do with Hillary Clinton.
Perhaps you can explain why you pick such a title that is so disjunct in relation to the material you use to support your point.
For these reasons, your OP imo makes little sense and is hard to accept as a serious topic for debate in the CDZ.
Thank you.
Fury
Only, I am not trolling.
As far as I can tell, until now, I am the only one to have completely watched the video you use as the crux of your argument and I also quoted a number of things from that video, word for word. Or, do you wish to claim that those things are not in the video? They are, you know, exactly as I quoted them.
This means that the points I have attacked (not the people, but rather, the points) are as on-topic as can be, because it is material that YOU presented.
Secondly, you have still not explained what your thread title is supposed to have to do with your video excerpt, which you undoubtedly use as the crux for your argument.
Please explain this.
IF you had read the thread you would see that same as usual politics is dying. The video then pointed out how Trump is using THAT to his advantage. The title infers/projects what the downfall on Clinton will be about.To reduce this debate to thread title IS trolling. Once again I ask nicely, ON topic. Do NOT troll.Please quit trolling my thread with your off topic antics. There ARE on topic valid points being made here.@Statistikhengst Just a little add here before I drop this subject. You are arguing the CDZ is about content control and my stance is the CDZ is about self control. But we have another problem here as well.
YOU chose to avoid the topic and presented a straw man argument that had nothing to do with content/message. That would be a troll INSIDE the CDZ which is NOT allowed as I understand it.
Your complaint should have been made using the report button and NOT in the thread. If I understand the rules correct. Good day.
Uhm, no.
The CDZ is about honesty and civility in debate.
You were not honest when you characterized the video as "non-partisan". It is anything but non-partisan.
There is no rule against presenting a partisan video in the CDZ. Have at it. Only, you should then be truthful about it. That would not make the video any less relevant, well, assuming that the linkage between the video and your intent in the OP title is there. And sure, the guy in the video can express any opinion he wants to. Where, oh where did I say that he does not have that right?
Furthermore, your OP Title:
The Nuts And Bolts Of The Coming Hillary Defeat
has absolutely nothing to do with the video you use as the basis for your argument. That video attempts to show why Trump is doing well among Republicans. It actually has little to do with Hillary Clinton.
Perhaps you can explain why you pick such a title that is so disjunct in relation to the material you use to support your point.
For these reasons, your OP imo makes little sense and is hard to accept as a serious topic for debate in the CDZ.
Thank you.
Fury
Only, I am not trolling.
As far as I can tell, until now, I am the only one to have completely watched the video you use as the crux of your argument and I also quoted a number of things from that video, word for word. Or, do you wish to claim that those things are not in the video? They are, you know, exactly as I quoted them.
This means that the points I have attacked (not the people, but rather, the points) are as on-topic as can be, because it is material that YOU presented.
Secondly, you have still not explained what your thread title is supposed to have to do with your video excerpt, which you undoubtedly use as the crux for your argument.
Please explain this.
No, it is not trolling. I asked you a question, which you have still not answered.
What does this OP title:
The Nuts And Bolts Of The Coming Hillary Defeat
have to do with the video you use as the crux for your argument?
The question is a simple question. It has nothing to do with you or me as people. It has to do with content.
In Post #17 the OP incorrectly accuses Stat of trolling when he hasn't done anything of the sort. All of his posts have been exactly on topic to the point of quoting the OP word for word.
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In post #18 the OP agrees with post #16 that is a blatant CDZ violation.
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The content of the OP is a violation of the purpose of the CDZ per this ruling by Intense;
Guidelines for the Clean Debate Forum US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Understand that we are not here to run cover for propaganda or soap box preaching, be it left or right.
The OP is nothing but propaganda that is pro-right and anti-left. The linked video is highly inflammatory making allegations that verge on racism.
Unfortunately it is readily apparent that the OP is abusing the CDZ as nothing more than a "soap box" to shut down legitimate criticism as "trolling" while ignoring all too obvious violations of the written CDZ protocols.
This thread should be moved to the Politics forum where it belongs IMO. Looping in the mods so that they make their call.
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The content was his words ON the subject NOT what he said last year NOT what he wrote somewhere else. THAT is OFF TOPIC.Are you saying that you are asking for a mod to close this thread?
Because as far as I can tell, it's still open.
What a shame that you were not honest about the real intentions of your source video.
The content was his words ON the subject NOT what he said last year NOT what he wrote somewhere else. THAT is OFF TOPIC.Are you saying that you are asking for a mod to close this thread?
Because as far as I can tell, it's still open.
What a shame that you were not honest about the real intentions of your source video.
I see nothing in the OP that is even remotely in the spirit of the CDZ at all, and yet, I would be willing to even debate this material, provided that the OP would be honest about the Video source and please provide linkage between that video and a title this is certainly a borderline flame-bait title.
I see nothing in the OP that is even remotely in the spirit of the CDZ at all, and yet, I would be willing to even debate this material, provided that the OP would be honest about the Video source and please provide linkage between that video and a title this is certainly a borderline flame-bait title.
In order for the OP to make the case that his source link is germane to the specious claim of "Hillary's defeat" he would have to prove that "politics as usual" are no longer functioning. That is a patently absurd claim because the evidence that "politics as usual" are still functioning is abundant.
If instead the OP was attempting to prove that Trump is going to bring about her "defeat" he would need to demonstrate that with actual polling data.
Since the OP hasn't done either of the above there is no attempt at a "civil debate" on this topic IMO. All that the OP appears to want (as demonstrated by his response to post #16) are people who agree with his disingenuous OP premise.
But she lies CC she lies.I would think you'd feel right at home there.You know I went to that site and lurked it, mostly because everybody here talks about it. There nothing really there but hate.I think Trump may be a white nationalist and may even post on stormfront! He makes some good points on the immigration issue.Our jobs should go to Americans.
In normal times, Immigration polls at about 3%. Education and jobs are what Americans care about. What he has done was tap into xeneophobia and hatred more than anything else.But now on topic. Americans are tired of being lied to they really are and the number of angry Americans has been growing for years. Trump has touched that base and given it life and by putting the issues forward has validated the thoughts of many Americans.
In all cases, he has yet to come up with a plan that would pass Congress much less work.
I see leadership in her much more than Mr. Trump. There is a difference between being a leader and being a bully. Calling people "loser" and handing out your opponent's cell phone number isn't leadership; they are what are called stunts. At some point, Americans want to know the strategy. Leadership without strategy is what leads to disaster.I think the real question here is do you see leadership? Do you see it in her or him?
A former Secretary of State who is respected worldwide is much more of a leader than one who is insulting to our neighbors.And what kind of leadership?
And the strategy for that is what?Or do you see the civilian style general the quarter back? America USED to lead the world in just about everything. If we expect and truly want to go forward and retake our heritage and promote our future as a nation as a world leader do we wring our hands and do the same old same old? Or do we get fired up again and not only try but do what said impossible.
That's why leadership is important.
I would ask you to back that up with credible evidence and objective facts. I do not recall--it may have happened; I just do not remember it--any nation not willing to meet her when she was SoS. Including China and Russia.And look at who respects her. Third world nations who will respect ANYBODY that hands them a check. That's who respects her.
And look at who does NOT respect her. Russia and China and they compete with us. That IS where you NEED respect from countries that compete with you NOT the world welfare abusers.
