The Most Mysterious Right

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    by Cass R. Sunstein

    "To understand the problem, we must begin with the text of the Second Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.""

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    "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud-- I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. " In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

    It is impossible to understand the current Second Amendment debate without lingering over Burger's words. Burger was a cautious person as well as a conservative judge, and the chief justice of the Supreme Court is unlikely to offer a controversial position on a constitutional question in an interview on national television."

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e8997807-107b-461f-90d2-51a3ef91b508
     
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    I prefer a well armed law abiding populace. Its the only thing that stands between us and the lovely politicians in DC and their wannabe plans for a US oligarchy.
     
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    For over 230 years.....230 years, the citizens of the United States have enjoyed the right to own arms.....long before Mr. Berger was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.....so we'll go with precedent...and don't really need the learned Mr. Berger's personal interpretation...many learned men him have read the Amendment before him and found the intent clear....
     
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    And we had slavery for how long? women's suffrage took how long? separate but equal for how long?

    Equal rights still didn't pass...

    Wrong is wrong no matter how old the stupidity is? It is a good argument for control - all the macho men who need to hug their gun to stay safe can continue to do so.
     
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    Madison did not invent the right to keep and bear arms when he drafted the Second Amendment—the right was pre-existing at both common law and in the early state constitutions.

    Now if you think James Madison wasn't smart enough to draft what he meant in the Kings English...and maybe you're a little smarter, or Mr. Berger for that matter, write your Senator and vote Dim.....
     
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    Do you honestly think that if guns were outlawed, criminals wouldn't have guns?
     
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    See Putin's Russia...
     
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    It's actually pretty easy to understand the debate without Burger's concocted, erroneous interpretation of the Second Amendment.

    The Second Amendment says "the people," not "the state armies," nor "the militia."
     
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    Yes, disturbing.
     
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    How old is a lie? Ignoring the actual language of the Second Amnedment in favor of creative interpretation is as wrong now as the first time it was done.
     

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