CDZ The Medical Marijuana Hoax

[Toronado3800]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

 

[Ima Cat]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

The real reason rightwingnuts like Plantation Jeff Sessions want to deprive people of marijuana, a natural herbal substance, is they don't want people getting funny ideas, like questioning authority or asking impertinent questions like "how'd you know that"? They want people kept docile, unquestioning and subservient.

 

[danielpalos]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

 

[danielpalos]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

The real reason rightwingnuts like Plantation Jeff Sessions want to deprive people of marijuana, a natural herbal substance, is they don't want people getting funny ideas, like questioning authority or asking impertinent questions like "how'd you know that"? They want people kept docile, unquestioning and subservient.

The right wing likes to profit from socialism on a national basis instead of capitalism well regulated; our drug war is proof.

 

[Toronado3800]

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

Agreed. Honestly I'm for legalized pot until folks screw up while stoned and lose their "I can handle pot" card. Same for alcohol.

On the flip side to your statement, think of the money the state could make off legalized coke/crack and heroin? Would that be best for society?

 

[danielpalos]

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

Agreed. Honestly I'm for legalized pot until folks screw up while stoned and lose their "I can handle pot" card. Same for alcohol.

On the flip side to your statement, think of the money the state could make off legalized coke/crack and heroin? Would that be best for society?

laissez-fair, all the way, right wingers.

 

[Syriusly]

No one suggested- except you- making pot as available as cookies and candy-

Are you deliberately disingenuous or just stupid? I never referred to "making pot as available as cookies and candy." Instead I pointed out that pot can be put into cookies and candy that might entice children to eat them. Shame on you, if you are capable of it.

Wow- now you are just flat out lying- here is a snapshot of your exact post:

Your exact words- which I referred to in my post

"yet you want to make it as widely available as cookies and candy"

Your words.

No one has suggested making pot as widely available as cookies and candy- except you- that is your straw man.

Why are you unable to have an honest debate in the Clean Debate Zone?

 

[Syriusly]

No one suggested- except you- making pot as available as cookies and candy-

Are you deliberately disingenuous or just stupid? I never referred to "making pot as available as cookies and candy." Instead I pointed out that pot can be put into cookies and candy that might entice children to eat them. Shame on you, if you are capable of it.

Then as a responsible adult that keeps alcohol away from kids you should keep your cookies and candies away from the kids. Whoops we all know though that most so called responsible adults have a readily open liquor cabinet or beer in the fridge, not to mention their prescription drugs laying on a counter easy to get at.

Are you deliberately disingenuous or just stupid?

No one suggested- except you- making pot as available as cookies and candy-

Are you deliberately disingenuous or just stupid? I never referred to "making pot as available as cookies and candy." Instead I pointed out that pot can be put into cookies and candy that might entice children to eat them. Shame on you, if you are capable of it.

Then as a responsible adult that keeps alcohol away from kids you should keep your cookies and candies away from the kids. Whoops we all know though that most so called responsible adults have a readily open liquor cabinet or beer in the fridge, not to mention their prescription drugs laying on a counter easy to get at.

Are you deliberately disingenuous or just stupid?

How exactly does your post meet the standards of the CDZ?

 

[Syriusly]

The FDA would never allow alcohol or tobacco to be sold if they were new products, so their comparison to pot is inherently flawed. Just because they are widely purchased is no reason to allow pot to be sold at your local 7-Eleven.

Their comparison is 'flawed' because you have no actual answer to them.

Pot - and pot consumption- is as old as tobacco and older than distilled alcohol.

Why exactly do you think that pot should not be treated exactly the same as alcohol and tobacco?

And by 'exactly the same' I mean sold with similar restrictions to alcohol, public usage being similar to alcohol and public smoking treated similarly to public tobacco smoking?

You have yet to make a rational argument against treating rationally. Generally you just want to insult people who you disagree with.

 

[Syriusly]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

Then it is 'addictive' in the same way going over the speed limit is, or perhaps even more apt- gambling and sex.

 

[Syriusly]

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

Agreed. Honestly I'm for legalized pot until folks screw up while stoned and lose their "I can handle pot" card. Same for alcohol.

On the flip side to your statement, think of the money the state could make off legalized coke/crack and heroin? Would that be best for society?

Okay- we are in agreement that we should treat pot and alcohol the same.

Do you think that pot and alcohol are the same as coke and heroin?

The real question is keeping coke and heroin illegal the best way to combat those addictions? Portugal has decriminalized all drug use- and by every measurement it is a success

• less crime
• less addiction
• more addicts getting treatment
• less government money being spent on drug enforcement/prison.

i would love the United States to take an honest look at drug policy and come up with the strategy that is best of Americans- not just a knee jerk reaction to a campaign slogan.

 

[Toronado3800]

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


Sent from my iPad using USMessageBoard.com

I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

Then it is 'addictive' in the same way going over the speed limit is, or perhaps even more apt- gambling and sex.

Yes.

Just like you say. Pot is an addictive external chemical that gets you high. No debate here.

 

[Toronado3800]

I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

Agreed. Honestly I'm for legalized pot until folks screw up while stoned and lose their "I can handle pot" card. Same for alcohol.

On the flip side to your statement, think of the money the state could make off legalized coke/crack and heroin? Would that be best for society?

Okay- we are in agreement that we should treat pot and alcohol the same.

Do you think that pot and alcohol are the same as coke and heroin?

The real question is keeping coke and heroin illegal the best way to combat those addictions? Portugal has decriminalized all drug use- and by every measurement it is a success

• less crime
• less addiction
• more addicts getting treatment
• less government money being spent on drug enforcement/prison.

i would love the United States to take an honest look at drug policy and come up with the strategy that is best of Americans- not just a knee jerk reaction to a campaign slogan.

Do we have any historical experiments we can reference?

I think folks can't handle being alowed to get drunk w/o going driving and killing ppl so I question the effects of a really gooood drug like heroin on em.

 

[skylerholland]

Ever since the 60s and the hippie craze, I never heard anyone claim that pot was good for pain. But since the puking liberals got pot legalized everywhere, it's suddenly the greatest pain killer since aspirin was discovered. Witness all the clueless dead heads who are heavy users.

While the legalization of marijuana may scare some, the benefits are so great that it needs to be implemented everywhere.

A large concern of those opposed to the legalization of marijuana, is that it will be a “Trojan horse,” opening the door for far worse drugs. Legalizing marijuana for medical usage does not mean a free for all of recreational drug usage. The National Institute on Drug Abuse states that majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to other, “harder” substances (Is marijuana a gateway drug?). It cannot be said that usage leads to worse things for a whole group. All users have different biological makeups and life situations that may have pushed them to this. If there is such a concern for marijuana leading to worse things, then other, more common substances need to be looked at as well. The same websites states “alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other more harmful substances.” If it is said that the use of marijuana for medical purposes should not be legalized in fear of it leading to more harmful things… then the same should be said for alcohol and nicotine as well. Ban beer and ban the cigs along with the pot. Marijuana has far better and more important uses that need to be looked at as well.

Once legalized, an actual doctor, not a dealer, will issue you a dispensary card and prescribe medical marijuana to treat seizure disorders, Crohn’s disease, nausea from chemotherapy, muscle spasms caused by multiple sclerosis, and poor appetite and weight loss caused by chronic illnesses like HIV or nerve pain (Medical Marijuana). The most common usage for medicinal marijuana is pain. Cannabis has shown especially effective in combating neuropathic pain from nerve damage and is less habit-forming than opiate drugs (7 uses for medical marijuana). Marijuana also carries virtually no risk of a fatal overdose as opposed to opiates. Legalization of medical marijuana could quite possibly lower the rates of addiction and death in opiate drug users.

If you have a Facebook, I guarantee you at some point you have come across a video of the miracle cannabis works on epileptic seizures. Every video begins the same, someone recording their loved one shaking uncontrollably in jerky, painful movements. They administer a drop or two of a liquid form of cannabis and the patient begins to relax, as their body stops the seizing. Cannabidiol (CBD), a non-psychoactive compound of cannabis (Medical Marijuana and Epilepsy) is what is able to help these patients. Watching how quick CBD affects an epileptic patient and helps them is truly amazing. If there is tons of visual evidence, testimonies, and clinical studies, then why are we not legalizing marijuana to help patients everywhere?

Medical marijuana has many purposes and can help varying patients all over. For some patients, whether epileptic, chemo, or CTE stricken, cannabis is their only answer, and we need to help them.

 

[Hossfly]

Ever since the 60s and the hippie craze, I never heard anyone claim that pot was good for pain. But since the puking liberals got pot legalized everywhere, it's suddenly the greatest pain killer since aspirin was discovered. Witness all the clueless dead heads who are heavy users.

While the legalization of marijuana may scare some, the benefits are so great that it needs to be implemented everywhere.

A large concern of those opposed to the legalization of marijuana, is that it will be a “Trojan horse,” opening the door for far worse drugs. Legalizing marijuana for medical usage does not mean a free for all of recreational drug usage. The National Institute on Drug Abuse states that majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to other, “harder” substances (Is marijuana a gateway drug?). It cannot be said that usage leads to worse things for a whole group. All users have different biological makeups and life situations that may have pushed them to this. If there is such a concern for marijuana leading to worse things, then other, more common substances need to be looked at as well. The same websites states “alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other more harmful substances.” If it is said that the use of marijuana for medical purposes should not be legalized in fear of it leading to more harmful things… then the same should be said for alcohol and nicotine as well. Ban beer and ban the cigs along with the pot. Marijuana has far better and more important uses that need to be looked at as well.

Once legalized, an actual doctor, not a dealer, will issue you a dispensary card and prescribe medical marijuana to treat seizure disorders, Crohn’s disease, nausea from chemotherapy, muscle spasms caused by multiple sclerosis, and poor appetite and weight loss caused by chronic illnesses like HIV or nerve pain (Medical Marijuana). The most common usage for medicinal marijuana is pain. Cannabis has shown especially effective in combating neuropathic pain from nerve damage and is less habit-forming than opiate drugs (7 uses for medical marijuana). Marijuana also carries virtually no risk of a fatal overdose as opposed to opiates. Legalization of medical marijuana could quite possibly lower the rates of addiction and death in opiate drug users.

If you have a Facebook, I guarantee you at some point you have come across a video of the miracle cannabis works on epileptic seizures. Every video begins the same, someone recording their loved one shaking uncontrollably in jerky, painful movements. They administer a drop or two of a liquid form of cannabis and the patient begins to relax, as their body stops the seizing. Cannabidiol (CBD), a non-psychoactive compound of cannabis (Medical Marijuana and Epilepsy) is what is able to help these patients. Watching how quick CBD affects an epileptic patient and helps them is truly amazing. If there is tons of visual evidence, testimonies, and clinical studies, then why are we not legalizing marijuana to help patients everywhere?

Medical marijuana has many purposes and can help varying patients all over. For some patients, whether epileptic, chemo, or CTE stricken, cannabis is their only answer, and we need to help them.

Good. Maybe someday soon maryjane will be used to cure cancer, sinusitus , bad breath and crotch rot.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

Well I thought about the same thing, but in as the DEA has caused my pain Doc to cut my meds by 50 percent I have been having pain very hight in the past 4 months and I found out that they have it in pill form. Going to try it at least once if it works I will be glad to give up the drug.
BYW these meds have no thc in them so getting high does not happen. I'll post my opinion.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What ever makes the person feel better.

Are you really going to throw dying people in prison for smoking a damn leaf? Now who's the big government fascist?

 

[IsaacNewton]

Hmmm yeah, why would anyone think chemicals were good to reduce pain. There is no proof of this according to 4 people with an agenda here.

 

[Picaro]

I agree and disagree on some points.

Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol. Both are terribly addictive.

Both get you high and as a function both can kill some mental and physical pain.

Far as using pot for pain relief.....we have a problem with many pain pills in this country. I'm not going to tell someone with a ruptured disc not to pop some Vicodin though and heck, now that I'm a bit older and know almost as many Vicodin gals as stoner chicks I'm not sure I wouldn't rather them smoke pot to kill pain.

I'll give you that pot is a fun, hip pain killer though......perhaps we need an unaffiliated doctor to check up on prescribing doctors? Perhaps each doctor can only give a patient soo many refills?

Neither alcohol nor marijuana are physically addictive.

[emoji849]


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I am not going to argue physically vs mentally addictive. All I know is habitual users go through some trouble to get high for something they are not "addicted" to.

rational addiction; i would rather be euphoric when about my chores than not. my chores tend to get done more often, when I am more euphoric about it.

That is a good name then.

Pot is soo rationally addictive ppl throw away multi million dollar salaries and risk going to jail for it.

California recently legalized it, and we are expecting revenue of around a billion a year.

Legalize slavery and make even more. Same with pedophilia; why not be the next Thailand? They rake in lots of dough from that.

 

[Picaro]

Obvious to anyone with a still functioning brain:

Kennedy: Medicinal marijuana is a ‘Trojan horse’ for the recreational drug industry

Well I thought about the same thing, but in as the DEA has caused my pain Doc to cut my meds by 50 percent I have been having pain very hight in the past 4 months and I found out that they have it in pill form. Going to try it at least once if it works I will be glad to give up the drug.
BYW these meds have no thc in them so getting high does not happen. I'll post my opinion.

They can extract the active ingredients that work, no need to smoke the stuff. And yes, it has indeed proven to be just a trojan horse.