CDZ I think people should try some narcotics

[grbb]

Do I mean the illegal ones?

No. At least not necessarily.

First look at list of all narcotics that are non addictive. DMT, ganja, XTC, acid. All those are NOT addictive and safe.

So there is no dangerous.

Then pick ones that's legal.

In US, that means Ganja, kratom, salvia, I don't know what else.

Now try once. Just once.

Wait for a year.

They said that this is very dangerous stuff. They said, like Yahweh must have told Adam, the day you eat it you die.

The thing is, many religious bigots also said that porn is dangerous. Is it? Really? How do you know? You can read arguments after arguments of pro and con.

But here is an advice from a businessman.

The more authoriteys told you not to, the more you should do it.

Don't get caught of course.

There is always a big correlation between what helps you see reality and what's prohibited.

Again. Try the legal ones only. At least at first.

See for your self. What is all these "danger" all those DEA said?

Then read info on the net and compare yourself.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Marijuana isn't dangerous, and yeah, maybe if people would smoke a blunt or two once in a while, the country would be a lot happier and friendlier place.

Ever been to CO since they legalized it? Go into any 420 shop, and not only are the store owners friendly and nice, but everyone who is there, whether they be 21 or 78, or anywhere in between is friendly as well and will talk with you about damn near anything while you're waiting to get in the store.

Never mind the many stories that I've heard from other vets who live up there who told me that marijuana has helped with their PTSD and gotten them off of a lot of meds that were making them unhealthy.

Not only that, but there is a rehab facility for heroin addicts up in the NE that is working on treating heroin addicts with marijuana. Why? Because heroin withdrawl gives the person going through it joint pain, acute anxiety, nausea and a general overall ache. Know what happens when you smoke marijuana? You get pain relief, you chill out, and your appetite comes back. In the year that they have been doing this, they have had about a 60 percent success rate. 60 percent is unheard of numbers for heroin addict recovery.

 

[DarkFury]

Marijuana isn't dangerous, and yeah, maybe if people would smoke a blunt or two once in a while, the country would be a lot happier and friendlier place.

Ever been to CO since they legalized it? Go into any 420 shop, and not only are the store owners friendly and nice, but everyone who is there, whether they be 21 or 78, or anywhere in between is friendly as well and will talk with you about damn near anything while you're waiting to get in the store.

Never mind the many stories that I've heard from other vets who live up there who told me that marijuana has helped with their PTSD and gotten them off of a lot of meds that were making them unhealthy.

Not only that, but there is a rehab facility for heroin addicts up in the NE that is working on treating heroin addicts with marijuana. Why? Because heroin withdrawl gives the person going through it joint pain, acute anxiety, nausea and a general overall ache. Know what happens when you smoke marijuana? You get pain relief, you chill out, and your appetite comes back. In the year that they have been doing this, they have had about a 60 percent success rate. 60 percent is unheard of numbers for heroin addict recovery.

I did end stage rehab for 27 years and I DO agree with that statement.

 

[MikeK]

Marijuana isn't dangerous, and yeah, maybe if people would smoke a blunt or two once in a while, the country would be a lot happier and friendlier place.

Ever been to CO since they legalized it? Go into any 420 shop, and not only are the store owners friendly and nice, but everyone who is there, whether they be 21 or 78, or anywhere in between is friendly as well and will talk with you about damn near anything while you're waiting to get in the store.

Never mind the many stories that I've heard from other vets who live up there who told me that marijuana has helped with their PTSD and gotten them off of a lot of meds that were making them unhealthy.

Not only that, but there is a rehab facility for heroin addicts up in the NE that is working on treating heroin addicts with marijuana. Why? Because heroin withdrawl gives the person going through it joint pain, acute anxiety, nausea and a general overall ache. Know what happens when you smoke marijuana? You get pain relief, you chill out, and your appetite comes back. In the year that they have been doing this, they have had about a 60 percent success rate. 60 percent is unheard of numbers for heroin addict recovery.

In spite of existing and continuously mounting evidence that supports everything you've said here and a great deal more I find it both amazing and somewhat depressing that so many of our fellow citizens allow those obviously corrupted representatives in Congress who continuously vote to maintain marijuana prohibition to get away with it.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Have a couple of beers every day after work, no problem.

Drink a quart of Jack every day, problem.

Smoke a couple of bowls every day after work, no problem.

Smoke an ounce every day, problem.

They can go deal with the abusers. Leave real people alone.

 

[Anathema]

Why the Hell would I want to do anything like that? Even assuming a legal substance was used, why would I ever want to enter an altered and deteriorated mental state where I was no longer capable of protecting myself or making critical decisions on a moment's notice?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Why the Hell would I want to do anything like that? Even assuming a legal substance was used, why would I ever want to enter an altered and deteriorated mental state where I was no longer capable of protecting myself or making critical decisions on a moment's notice?

I've never had a problem with that.

 

[Anathema]

I've never had a problem with that.

So you would feel perfectly fine......

Carrying a weapon (gun, knife, etc...)
Driving a car in traffic
Negotiating a legal contract
Making a critical medical decision
Etc.....

Under the circumstances/in the mental state you're suggesting people should engage in?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Marijuana isn't dangerous, and yeah, maybe if people would smoke a blunt or two once in a while, the country would be a lot happier and friendlier place.

Ever been to CO since they legalized it? Go into any 420 shop, and not only are the store owners friendly and nice, but everyone who is there, whether they be 21 or 78, or anywhere in between is friendly as well and will talk with you about damn near anything while you're waiting to get in the store.

Never mind the many stories that I've heard from other vets who live up there who told me that marijuana has helped with their PTSD and gotten them off of a lot of meds that were making them unhealthy.

Not only that, but there is a rehab facility for heroin addicts up in the NE that is working on treating heroin addicts with marijuana. Why? Because heroin withdrawl gives the person going through it joint pain, acute anxiety, nausea and a general overall ache. Know what happens when you smoke marijuana? You get pain relief, you chill out, and your appetite comes back. In the year that they have been doing this, they have had about a 60 percent success rate. 60 percent is unheard of numbers for heroin addict recovery.

In spite of existing and continuously mounting evidence that supports everything you've said here and a great deal more I find it both amazing and somewhat depressing that so many of our fellow citizens allow those obviously corrupted representatives in Congress who continuously vote to maintain marijuana prohibition to get away with it.

What's even worse is the reason it was made illegal in the first place. There was an FBI man named Anslinger who was a racist and because black and brown people smoked marijuana more than whites did, he used marijuana as a way to lock them up, which is why the initial punishments were so draconian.

And, he then presented this idea to Dupont (who was just now developing chemicals and didn't want competition from hemp oil), and to Herst (who also didn't like hemp, because he had timber holdings and hemp paper would have been bad for business), and they bankrolled his effort and financed the propaganda movie "Reefer Madness".

Face it......the whole reason marijuana was made illegal in the first place was because of racism and greed.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Have a couple of beers every day after work, no problem.

Drink a quart of Jack every day, problem.

Smoke a couple of bowls every day after work, no problem.

Smoke an ounce every day, problem.

They can go deal with the abusers. Leave real people alone.

I have yet to meet the person who is capable of smoking an entire ounce in a single day, especially if it's high grade smoke from Colorado. Do you even have an idea of how hard it would be to smoke an entire ounce in 24 hours? I do, and I can tell you that the MOST a person might be able to go through in a day, and that might be 1/4 ounce, and that is only if they have a very high tolerance and the time to sit and smoke continuously for the next 10 hours.

The most I go through in a day is maybe 4 bowls if I smoke a lot, but the average is 2.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Why the Hell would I want to do anything like that? Even assuming a legal substance was used, why would I ever want to enter an altered and deteriorated mental state where I was no longer capable of protecting myself or making critical decisions on a moment's notice?

One bowl, or one small joint is less mind altering than 3 beers. True story.

And, your perceptions while altered on marijuana are more like colors being brighter and noticing small things you might not have noticed before. You feel relaxed, your joints won't ache, and your inhibitions will still be up while stoned. And, while your reflexes might be a slight bit slower, they are still faster than they would be if you are drunk.

Inhibitions drop rapidly with alcohol. So do reflexes and the ability to balance.

 

[Anathema]

One bowl, or one small joint is less mind altering than 3 beers. True story.

3 beers exceeds my alcohol consumption over the last 5 years.

And, your perceptions while altered on marijuana are more like colors being brighter and noticing small things you might not have noticed before. You feel relaxed, your joints won't ache, and your inhibitions will still be up while stoned. And, while your reflexes might be a slight bit slower, they are still faster than they would be if you are drunk

Again, the alcohol distinction isn't a good one with me, since I don't drink much.

You'd be dragging me to a hospital with my reaction to that type "heightened" perception. Not my thing.

Inhibitions drop rapidly with alcohol. So do reflexes and the ability to balance.

Which is why I rarely touch alcohol.

 

[ABikerSailor]

One bowl, or one small joint is less mind altering than 3 beers. True story.

3 beers exceeds my alcohol consumption over the last 5 years.

And, your perceptions while altered on marijuana are more like colors being brighter and noticing small things you might not have noticed before. You feel relaxed, your joints won't ache, and your inhibitions will still be up while stoned. And, while your reflexes might be a slight bit slower, they are still faster than they would be if you are drunk

Again, the alcohol distinction isn't a good one with me, since I don't drink much.

You'd be dragging me to a hospital with my reaction to that type "heightened" perception. Not my thing.

Inhibitions drop rapidly with alcohol. So do reflexes and the ability to balance.

Which is why I rarely touch alcohol.

Well, that's just you then. Me personally? On occasion, I like to smoke a little sativa (it raises your energy levels and puts you in a good mood) and then go ride my bicycle. Sativa not only gives you energy and a good mood, but you notice a hell of a lot more about what is going on around you, which is one reason why I like it once in a while. I notice cars and dogs before they notice me, meaning I can avoid them easily.

My room mate uses it medicinally for pain management, and because of that, she's a hell of a lot healthier than she would be if they had kept her on opiates.

Same thing with a lot of vets that I've met in CO. They have told me repeatedly how it has helped them with their PTSD and because it helped so well, they were able to get off of other drugs which were messing with their health.

Personally? I think there is enough medical evidence now for marijuana to be removed from the Schedule I class of drugs. It should be down around Schedule III. How do I know all of this stuff? I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA) for the last 8 years I was in the Navy and could never figure out why marijuana was illegal, so, when I retired, I spent about 6 months researching everything I could to see how bad it was, but when I couldn't find it being worse than alcohol, I decided to do the ultimate experiment and try it for myself.

Been 420 friendly ever since.

 

[grbb]

Why the Hell would I want to do anything like that? Even assuming a legal substance was used, why would I ever want to enter an altered and deteriorated mental state where I was no longer capable of protecting myself or making critical decisions on a moment's notice?

And this is exactly why you should try.

Not just ganja. xtc, dmt, acid. Those so called altered mental state means seeing things from different perspective.

Of course, you shouldn't do it while things are unsafe.

Think about it. See kratom, porn, and ganja, it's illegal anywhere because they said it's dangerous. Try it. See how "dangerous" it is.

Now, look at xtc, dmt, acid. Find anyone that have tried it. Are they successful? Are they rich? Ask them what dangerous it is.

Or find it on the net.

Most things government said are dangerous aren't dangerous at all. Tons of people do xtc. Millions did when it were legal. Then what? They're doing fine now.

 

[usmbguest5318]

I think people should try some narcotics.....Do I mean the illegal ones? No. At least not necessarily.

Well, okay. Now we know what you think.....I think I'm going to add you to my ignore list because you're crazy and I don't have time crazy people. And guess what, knowing that, neither you, other readers or I is any better benefitted by knowing it than we are by learning what you think about our narcotics use.

 

[Anathema]

And this is exactly why you should try......

Not a good idea for someone with temperament issues who goes armed almost everywhere I am. Even at home in rarely more than an arms reach from a lethal weapon.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I think all conservatives should try a joint and some hookers.

 

[grbb]

And this is exactly why you should try......

Not a good idea for someone with temperament issues who goes armed almost everywhere I am. Even at home in rarely more than an arms reach from a lethal weapon.

There are things I should never try. Like parachuting.

Things go wrong I am death.

For narcotics?


Ganja should be okay. It's legal.

For others, you should check how many people die because of such narcotics?

How many die due to xtc for example. About 1 out of 50 k first time users. And that's a high estimate.

There are things with high risks. Most narcotics are save.

This is the reason why I like more people to try many drugs that are claimed dangerous by government but actually safe.

I think most religions are more dangerous than narcotics. However, religious people are majority and ganja smokers are minority.

I like to see a society where it's the other way around. I want to see if religions would be the one prohibited.

 

[grbb]

Actually there is a reason why I am saying this.

Recently Jakarta pick a new governor.

So for years the people have bitch about high corruption in Indonesia. One day we have a governor that clean up corruption. We saw results. People don't park anywhere. Government officials do not demand bribes anymore.

Yet, religious leaders are condemning this guy because he is kafr (non muslims).

Ahok was charged with blasphemy due to some rubber laws. After months of negative campaign, finally Jakarta pick another candidate as governor. Mainly because the other candidates are muslim.

To me, that is a stupid decision. Why reject a guy that works well over guys that can only promise bullshit.

Many people think, and I agree, that people do not like Ahok because he is "too good" at eliminating corruption. Of course, all of the politicians wants to get rid Ahok.

So?

Many Indonesians hate chinese and christians. Now they have a christian chinese governor that governed well. Ahok approval rating is 70%. They still didn't pick him.

After the elections, some muslims say in forum that it shows that chinese are still not accepted in Indonesia. So they better beware and kowtow to muslims.

Another muslims say that they are obligated by their religions to pick a muslim leader. I don't know whether muslim religions really encourage people to pick muslim leaders. The ulamas are in disagreements. But in any case, those people pick the wrong candidates because of their religions. We will soon see far more corruptions.

Another muslims says that it is their "humans right" to pick candidates based on religions.

And I sort of agree. After all, it's democracy. We can't tell people not to vote because of this or not. Basically we can encourage people to be more meritocratic but this is just another sample of "persuasion" that may or may not work.

My question is, if someone, because of religions, have humans right, to pick whatever governor they choose, and those choices affect so many people.

Why can't the same be applied to drugs?

Most drugs user hurt no one and most hurt at most themselves. Not because someone smoke ganja means you get high too. Yes, drug usage may, or may not, increase crime and that may affect others. However, it's another story. The same things also apply to religions. Being religious can make someone terrorists.

So like narcotics, religions make people think differently, in ways that's not normally realistic. They're not counting on what we normally see. They're counting on some imagination and stories of others. Those stories and imagination may actually be real or have some real aspects. But so are those imagination that drug users see.

So how come it's humans' right to be religious and yet it's not human's right to use drugs?

Why is it humans' right to vote, an act where we can force others to do things they don't like. Yet it's not humans' right to simply use most safe drugs?

And I think the answer is majority/minority. There are too many religious people and too few drug users.

So here it is. I am advocating people to try some safe drugs. At least the legal ones. Fucking try. Now see what happens when drug users are majority.

Oh ya, there is another benefit of using drugs instead of being religious. In religions you have faith on what prophets supposedly "see". Why believe in what others see? Why not see things yourself? At least the latter is less likely to lie.

 

[Anathema]

There are things I should never try. Like parachuting.

Things go wrong I am death.

For narcotics?


Ganja should be okay. It's legal.

For others, you should check how many people die because of such narcotics?

How many die due to xtc for example. About 1 out of 50 k first time users. And that's a high estimate.

There are things with high risks. Most narcotics are save.

This is the reason why I like more people to try many drugs that are claimed dangerous by government but actually safe.

I think most religions are more dangerous than narcotics. However, religious people are majority and ganja smokers are minority.

I like to see a society where it's the other way around. I want to see if religions would be the one prohibited.

I agree with you on banni g organized religion, but I believe it needs to be replaced with a Universal Moral Code.

Because of that, I cannot and would not ever do drugs. Per if that Code is ensuring you are always prepared to make proper decisions and/or defend yourself. I don't believe those w things can be maintained while under the influence of those drugs.