The Many Lies Of The Left

His family is mostly Muslim in Kenya. He lived in a Muslim country (Indonesia) for most of his early childhood. He first attended a Muslim school but had to be removed and sent to a Christian school because he couldn't get along with his classmates. His father in law was Muslim. His father was born Muslim but didn't practice the religion. Nor did his father live with him or his mother, so we can't blame Obama for that. But he did take on his father's name.

Every Muslim in the Middle East seems to have the impression that a Muslim is currently occupying the Oval Office. Imagine the danger in that.

He's not a practicing Muslim. In Islam he would be known as an Apostate. However, he seems to lean towards Islam. He says he loves the call to prayer he heard as a child. His first major speech was broadcast on Al Jazzera. He gave a speech in the first few months of his Presidency in Cairo. He told the world that this is no-longer a Christian nation.

You tell me what all of this means.

No, he is not a Muslim. His history is full of Muslim influence however.

First Read - Obama asked about connection to Islam

"My father was from Kenya," he said, "and a lot of people in his
village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very
religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and
they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've
always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that
my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've
never practiced Islam."

This thread is entitled "The Many Lies Of The Left" with the implication here that President Barack Obama is lying about his religious beliefs.

You then go on to make a very large leap of faith by saying:

Every Muslim in the Middle East seems to have the impression that a Muslim is currently occupying the Oval Office. Imagine the danger in that.

Every Muslim? Really? Did I seem to miss that poll that was taken about what Muslims thought in the Middle East about the religion of President Obama?

You also make the assumption that because he kept his father's name that he is a Muslim. Again, no real evidence.

You have no real evidence that he is a Muslim, you have what we would call assumptions. The majority of what you listed in your last paragraph can easily be chalked up to President Obama trying to reach out to Muslims across the globe who in many cases are angry at the United States.

The very last sentence of your post doesn't even make sense.

I think what's going on here is you want President Obama to be a Muslim in order to better demonize him.

I think if Obama was a Muslim he wouldn't be this reckless.

Fact is, because he isn't a Muslim but wants to play one on TV he has become a greater threat to world peace that anyone realizes.

He doesn't actually grasp what it's like to be a Muslim, yet he wants to patronize them.

This is dangerous.

Anyone who's lived in the Middle East can tell you this.
 
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Let's look at that outright lies of these people:

First Obama compared himself to Lincoln when he announced he was running.
Then everyone started comparing him to JFK, Michelle to Jackie.
He claims he will close GITMO.
He claims he will get us out of Iraq.
He claims we must pull out of Iraq so we can go to Afghanistan were he will find Bin Laden. Don't hold your breath.

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Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.
Then they claimed that their Health Care bill would cut costs and provide insurance for everyone but it's discovered it does nether.

Obama claims he's not a Muslim but supports them at every turn.
Obama claims he's a Christian, and he starts going to church after two years of not going and declaring this is not a Christian nation.

Obama claims jobs are his number one priority but he seems to spend all of his time on everything else.

Now the Gulf Oil spill. Obama says he was on the job from day one, forgetting that he first said it wasn't his problem but BP's, and he will not rest till the oil spill is capped and the mess cleaned up....then he goes on vacation and the leak continues for months. You see Obama was so busy calling an entire state racist that he forgot to do his job. So for 10 days he ignored the largest ecological disaster in our history so he could bad-mouth Arizona.

He claimed he lifted the drilling moratorium, and he did, for a day, then promptly re-instated it. He is currently in contempt of court to a federal judge's court order to remove said moratorium.

The left claims that Sarah Palin had something to do with the Arizona Shooter. This time Obama is all over it so he can act like he cares, unlike the way he acted after several service members were shot and killed at Ft Hood earlier last year.

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Harry Reid recently said that Social Security is funded for at least 40 years.

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Nancy Pelosi said, after she lost 66 seats, that their primary goal was to cut the deficit.

The Tea Party is called violent and full of racists. Code Pink is ignored when they say they want to cut off Clarence Thomas's toes and feed them to him.


Chris Matthews compares the Tea Party to the Muslim Brotherhood. Problem is the Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas. Many Al Qaeda members are also members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now Obama's media cohorts claims he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan, forget that this came to them around the 100th anniversary of his birth.

My how convenient.

The lies are too many to list here.

So I ask you, how can anyone believe anything these people say????

I've been told several times by Democrats on his Board that they expect their Democratic leadership to lie to them and the rest of the American people... Also, that I'm an idiot to expect otherwise..:eusa_eh:

At least they are honest about being screwed by their government and not kissed. They like it apparently, and PAR for the course for the lot of them.

The big problem is they want to take the rest of us down into the hellhole with them.
 
I noticed what you folks on the left use as your best mode of attack is to attempt to put words in my mouth.

I'm not falling for it.

But try if you feel you must.
 
I think if Obama was a Muslim he wouldn't be this reckless.

Fact is, because he isn't a Muslim but wants to play one on TV he has become a greater threat to world peace that anyone realizes.

He doesn't actually grasp what it's like to be a Muslim, yet he wants to patronize them.

Tell us more...


<grabbing popcorn>
 
Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.

Two more lies.

1.) Do you have any evidence that it has been "the left" and "the left" alone that has been fudging the statistics about unemployment? Last I checked, both parties are guilty of doing so. Carter did so by disregarding those unemployed after a year for example, Reagan did after six months.

2.) Whether you agree with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or not, it did create jobs. The debate is whether it created the number of jobs it was suppose to or whether it was worth the cost. However, to claim that the Stimulus has never created any jobs is such a blatant falsehood.

3.) Tax incentives for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was worth $288 billion total, $237 billion for individuals and $51 billion for companies.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tax incentives
Total: $288 billion

[edit]Tax incentives for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[29]

$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[29]

$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).

$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.

$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[41]

$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.

$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit &#8212; which provides money to low income workers &#8212; for families with at least three children.

$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.

$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.

[edit]Tax incentives for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.

$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).

$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.

$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.

$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.
 
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Let's look at that outright lies of these people:

First Obama compared himself to Lincoln when he announced he was running.
Then everyone started comparing him to JFK, Michelle to Jackie.
He claims he will close GITMO.
He claims he will get us out of Iraq.
He claims we must pull out of Iraq so we can go to Afghanistan were he will find Bin Laden. Don't hold your breath.

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Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.
Then they claimed that their Health Care bill would cut costs and provide insurance for everyone but it's discovered it does nether.

Obama claims he's not a Muslim but supports them at every turn.
Obama claims he's a Christian, and he starts going to church after two years of not going and declaring this is not a Christian nation.

Obama claims jobs are his number one priority but he seems to spend all of his time on everything else.

Now the Gulf Oil spill. Obama says he was on the job from day one, forgetting that he first said it wasn't his problem but BP's, and he will not rest till the oil spill is capped and the mess cleaned up....then he goes on vacation and the leak continues for months. You see Obama was so busy calling an entire state racist that he forgot to do his job. So for 10 days he ignored the largest ecological disaster in our history so he could bad-mouth Arizona.

He claimed he lifted the drilling moratorium, and he did, for a day, then promptly re-instated it. He is currently in contempt of court to a federal judge's court order to remove said moratorium.

The left claims that Sarah Palin had something to do with the Arizona Shooter. This time Obama is all over it so he can act like he cares, unlike the way he acted after several service members were shot and killed at Ft Hood earlier last year.

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Harry Reid recently said that Social Security is funded for at least 40 years.

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Nancy Pelosi said, after she lost 66 seats, that their primary goal was to cut the deficit.

The Tea Party is called violent and full of racists. Code Pink is ignored when they say they want to cut off Clarence Thomas's toes and feed them to him.


Chris Matthews compares the Tea Party to the Muslim Brotherhood. Problem is the Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas. Many Al Qaeda members are also members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now Obama's media cohorts claims he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan, forget that this came to them around the 100th anniversary of his birth.

My how convenient.

The lies are too many to list here.

So I ask you, how can anyone believe anything these people say????

I've been told several times by Democrats on his Board that they expect their Democratic leadership to lie to them and the rest of the American people... Also, that I'm an idiot to expect otherwise..:eusa_eh:

At least they are honest about being screwed by their government and not kissed. They like it apparently, and PAR for the course for the lot of them.

The big problem is they want to take the rest of us down into the hellhole with them.

Why not... they figure, someone else is paying for it..
 
Actually he's way off Marc.

It seems he's spot on mud. You gave yourself away with this "Obama's really a Muslim" hysteria. All that was missing would be to use "The Messiah."

Oh no, Marc. You're putting words in poor muddy's mouth.

According to his own words, it appears he's suggesting that the Prez is just interested in "playing" a Muslim.
 
A lie is a lie. The difference is does the liar know he's lying when he does so.

No. A lie is something said when the speaker knows that it is untrue. If I told you that my father was an Olympian, and later found out that he lied to me, that does not make my statement a lie. It makes it misinformation. If I told you that I am going to go to the grocery store tomorrow, and then change my mind when it snows tomorrow and the weather becomes hazardous, that does not make my statement a lie. It makes it an unfulfilled or altered plan.

Many won't cut Bush the same slack.

Many people question whether Bush was honest about his plans, intentions, and if he deliberately deceived the public. Others question whether he can read, and was thus truly a victim of bad intelligence. But that still does not address anything I've asked. How do complaints about public skepticism toward a past President offer any alternative to both conservatives and liberals in government lying to the people?

Everyone in Congress, the CIA, and every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam was building WMDs. They said that he had them. But when we finally got there most of them were gone. What was left was documents that proved he was building them and intended to start up a nuke program, and that it was much worse then we thought. We found a few old remnants of Saddam's stockpiles. A few shells containing binary agents were found.

Pallas Athena, are you really going to wax poetic about whether there really was ample evidence to support the claims that were used to justify invading Iraq? Get back on subject. You say the left lies. Well, the right lies as well. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but on what basis can the right complain about the left doing the same thing? What alternatives can the right offer, since the right also does the same thing?

So, Bush believed they were there and we didn't get there in time to find them. So Bush is a liar, but Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, many others told us some huge whoppers, yet they get the slack nobody wants to give Bush.

You claim that Obama has lied because of unfulfilled campaign promises. That does not compare to the complaints about Bush intentionally tailoring and screening "evidence" that he used to support his plan to invade Iraq. If you can't understand the difference between those two....actually, you know what? I think you can understand the difference. You're just trying to deliberately misrepresent the situation for your own purposes.

Just doesn't seem fair to me.

Isn't that always the complaint? It's pretty meaningless.
 
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Let's look at that outright lies of these people:

First Obama compared himself to Lincoln when he announced he was running.
Then everyone started comparing him to JFK, Michelle to Jackie.
He claims he will close GITMO.
He claims he will get us out of Iraq.
He claims we must pull out of Iraq so we can go to Afghanistan were he will find Bin Laden. Don't hold your breath.

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Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.
Then they claimed that their Health Care bill would cut costs and provide insurance for everyone but it's discovered it does nether.

Obama claims he's not a Muslim but supports them at every turn.
Obama claims he's a Christian, and he starts going to church after two years of not going and declaring this is not a Christian nation and refusing to attend the annual prayer breakfast.

Obama claims jobs are his number one priority but he seems to spend all of his time on everything else.

Now the Gulf Oil spill. Obama says he was on the job from day one, forgetting that he first said it wasn't his problem but BP's, and he will not rest till the oil spill is capped and the mess cleaned up....then he goes on vacation and the leak continues for months. You see Obama was so busy calling an entire state racist that he forgot to do his job. So for 10 days he ignored the largest ecological disaster in our history so he could bad-mouth Arizona.

He claimed he lifted the drilling moratorium, and he did, for a day, then promptly re-instated it. He is currently in contempt of court to a federal judge's court order to remove said moratorium.

The left claims that Sarah Palin had something to do with the Arizona Shooter. This time Obama is all over it so he can act like he cares, unlike the way he acted after several service members were shot and killed at Ft Hood earlier last year.

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Harry Reid recently said that Social Security is funded for at least 40 years.

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Nancy Pelosi said, after she lost 66 seats, that their primary goal was to cut the deficit.

The Tea Party is called violent and full of racists. Code Pink is ignored when they say they want to cut off Clarence Thomas's toes and feed them to him.


Chris Matthews compares the Tea Party to the Muslim Brotherhood. Problem is the Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas. Many Al Qaeda members are also members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now Obama's media cohorts claims he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan, forget that this came to them around the 100th anniversary of his birth.

My how convenient.

The lies are too many to list here.

So I ask you, how can anyone believe anything these people say????

Let's start at the beginning of your rant....those two things didn't happen?

Well? Did those first two things happen or not?

B.O......Duh....C'ya,

Don't see why your crappola-type question has any significance....doesn't the fact that no one gives a shit about your shitty question provide you with the answer ?

The only reason I'm responding is that I don't mind pissing on an Obamarrhoidal stooge.

OK......First, Acorn's ex-Community Organizer compares himself to Lincoln. That's like you comparing yourself to Cleopatra......you tell me if that isn't a falsification of REALITY ??????

Second, Obamadinejad, born to a commie whackjob Mommie with a predilection for men of colour, and a hatred of her own race....a father who is a muslim falling down drunk and absconds from them, etc., etc., etc., ....is that anywhere near to being a Kennedy ?!?!?!.....and that snot-bag "I'm not proud to be an American" Michelle.....a Jackie ?!?!?

That isn't not only a falsification of REALITY ........ making those comparison smacks of terminal dementia !!!!

No wonder you are a certified Obamarrhoidal idjit.
 
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I said he wasn't a Muslim. Go back and read it.

Now, that doesn't stop him from favoring Islam over Christianity or over the welfare of Israel.

You asserted that his religion was a matter of dishonesty on Obama's part. You did not explicitly say that he was Muslim, but it cannot be escaped that you were arguing that Obama is Muslim, and that he lied about his religion.

Also, I favor my roommate's cat over the welfare of Israel. Does that make me a cat?
 
Actually he's way off Marc.

It seems he's spot on mud. You gave yourself away with this "Obama's really a Muslim" hysteria. All that was missing would be to use "The Messiah."

Oh no, Marc. You're putting words in poor muddy's mouth.

According to his own words, it appears he's suggesting that the Prez is just interested in "playing" a Muslim.

That's what I said.

Now, you're about to criticize that too???

Fact is, the truth doesn't matter to you scum. If I said he was a Muslim you'd say I was lying.

Since I said he wasn't a Muslim, several times no less, your friends still say I said he was.

Who's lying here?

Obama likes to act like someone he isn't.

He's been said to be Lincoln, Washington, JFK, and Ronald Reagan depending on what serves their purposes at the time without a word from him to the contrary.

He likes to act like a Christian, a Muslim or whatever. I think he's an Atheist.

Obama thinks by kissing the Muslim Street's ass he will gain their favor. What's he's done instead is give them hope that now is the time they've been waiting since the 40s for. To attack Israel and the United States won't come to their rescue. We are on the edge of war and you motherfuckers think it's one big fucken joke. I trained Muslims in Somalia and in Kuwait. I don't consider international affairs to be a joke. It was my job to tread lightly around them. To get along with them. I found out more about them you pudknockers ever will.
 
A lie is a lie. The difference is does the liar know he's lying when he does so.

Many won't cut Bush the same slack.

Everyone in Congress, the CIA, and every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam was building WMDs. They said that he had them. But when we finally got there most of them were gone. What was left was documents that proved he was building them and intended to start up a nuke program, and that it was much worse then we thought. We found a few old remnants of Saddam's stockpiles. A few shells containing binary agents were found.

So, Bush believed they were there and we didn't get there in time to find them. So Bush is a liar, but Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, many others told us some huge whoppers, yet they get the slack nobody wants to give Bush.

Just doesn't seem fair to me.

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.

Italian says U.S. told of fake WMD papers - World news - Terrorism - msnbc.com

ROME &#8212; Italian secret services warned the United States months before it invaded Iraq that a dossier about a purported Saddam Hussein effort to buy uranium in Africa was fake, a lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by the nation&#8217;s intelligence chief.

Blair 'knew Saddam did not have WMD before war started' - Times Online

Intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have access to weapons of mass destruction was received by the Government ten days before Tony Blair ordered the invasion of Iraq, the inquiry into the war was told yesterday.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070429045319/http://washtimes.com/national/20070427-124842-1706r.htm

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat says he knew that the American public was being misled into the Iraq war but remained silent because he was sworn to secrecy as a member of the intelligence committee.

"The information we had in the intelligence committee was not the same information being given to the American people. I couldn't believe it," Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, said Wednesday when talking on the Senate floor about the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002.

BBC NEWS | Americas | White House 'warned over Iraq claim'

The CIA warned the US Government that claims about Iraq's nuclear ambitions were not true months before President Bush used them to make his case for war, the BBC has learned.

Tony Blair knew, the CIA knew, members of Congress knew, Intelligence Agencies around the world knew, and yet the Bush Administration pushed on with the Iraq War.

Book says White House ordered forgery - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.

Suskind writes in &#8220;The Way of the World,&#8221; to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery &#8211; adamantly denied by the White House &#8211; was designed to portray a false link between Hussein&#8217;s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.

Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War - washingtonpost.com

On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

The Bush Administration also pushed the lie that Saddam Hussein was connected to the 9/11 attacks for years, even including it in his March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq:

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - SourceWatch

The bill was originally drafted by President George W. Bush's office, then sent to the Congress for review. It was signed by the President, with few changes, on October 16, 2002. Section 3, Subsection b, Item 2 of the bill required the President to "make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that... acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

On March 21, 2003, Bush sent a letter to Congress fulfilling the bill's requirements and assuring the Congress that "use of armed force" was necessary to "protect the national security of the United States" and was "consistent with" acting against those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. It said that Bush had "reluctantly concluded" that "only the use of armed force will accomplish these objectives and restore international peace and security in the area [of Iraq]." Neither the 2002 Authorization nor Bush's 2003 letter mentions full-scale invasion and occupation of Iraq. The occupation's legality relies heavily on the leeway provided by the clause authorizing the President "to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" to "defend" U.S. national security and unilaterally "enforce" UN resolutions on Iraq.

Why can't you just simply tell the truth?
 
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You know that when you disprove one thing, all your lies fall apart.

Here is a list of 114 Republican Senators and Congressmen who attempted to take credit for the jobs they say were never created by the "stimulus". One hundred and fourteen.

That's 10 groups of ten plus another group of ten plus four.

Stimulating Hypocrisy: 114 Lawmakers Block Recovery While Taking Credit For Its Success

What does that make you guys feel like when you get schooled and let down by your own pathetic leadership? Must feel bad.

Fuck you rdean, where are the jobs?
 

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