The Many Lies Of The Left

[The T]

A lie is a lie. The difference is does the liar know he's lying when he does so.

Many won't cut Bush the same slack.

Everyone in Congress, the CIA, and every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam was building WMDs. They said that he had them. But when we finally got there most of them were gone. What was left was documents that proved he was building them and intended to start up a nuke program, and that it was much worse then we thought. We found a few old remnants of Saddam's stockpiles. A few shells containing binary agents were found.

So, Bush believed they were there and we didn't get there in time to find them. So Bush is a liar, but Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, many others told us some huge whoppers, yet they get the slack nobody wants to give Bush.

Just doesn't seem fair to me.

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.

Italian says U.S. told of fake WMD papers - World news - Terrorism - msnbc.com

ROME — Italian secret services warned the United States months before it invaded Iraq that a dossier about a purported Saddam Hussein effort to buy uranium in Africa was fake, a lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by the nation’s intelligence chief.

Blair 'knew Saddam did not have WMD before war started' - Times Online



Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge*-*Nation/Politics*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper



http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/60min.320.240.mov

BBC NEWS | Americas | White House 'warned over Iraq claim'



Tony Blair knew, the CIA knew, members of Congress knew, Intelligence Agencies around the world knew, and yet the Bush Administration pushed on with the Iraq War.

Book says White House ordered forgery - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com



Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War - washingtonpost.com



The Bush Administration also pushed the lie that Saddam Hussein was connected to the 9/11 attacks for years, even including it in his March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq:

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - SourceWatch

The bill was originally drafted by President George W. Bush's office, then sent to the Congress for review. It was signed by the President, with few changes, on October 16, 2002. Section 3, Subsection b, Item 2 of the bill required the President to "make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that... acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

On March 21, 2003, Bush sent a letter to Congress fulfilling the bill's requirements and assuring the Congress that "use of armed force" was necessary to "protect the national security of the United States" and was "consistent with" acting against those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. It said that Bush had "reluctantly concluded" that "only the use of armed force will accomplish these objectives and restore international peace and security in the area [of Iraq]." Neither the 2002 Authorization nor Bush's 2003 letter mentions full-scale invasion and occupation of Iraq. The occupation's legality relies heavily on the leeway provided by the clause authorizing the President "to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" to "defend" U.S. national security and unilaterally "enforce" UN resolutions on Iraq.

Why can't you just simply tell the truth?

Posting this bullsqueeze TWICE doesn't make it more true bub.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

A lie is a lie. The difference is does the liar know he's lying when he does so.

Many won't cut Bush the same slack.

Everyone in Congress, the CIA, and every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam was building WMDs. They said that he had them. But when we finally got there most of them were gone. What was left was documents that proved he was building them and intended to start up a nuke program, and that it was much worse then we thought. We found a few old remnants of Saddam's stockpiles. A few shells containing binary agents were found.

So, Bush believed they were there and we didn't get there in time to find them. So Bush is a liar, but Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, many others told us some huge whoppers, yet they get the slack nobody wants to give Bush.

Just doesn't seem fair to me.

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.

Italian says U.S. told of fake WMD papers - World news - Terrorism - msnbc.com

ROME — Italian secret services warned the United States months before it invaded Iraq that a dossier about a purported Saddam Hussein effort to buy uranium in Africa was fake, a lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by the nation’s intelligence chief.

Blair 'knew Saddam did not have WMD before war started' - Times Online



Durbin kept silent on prewar knowledge - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper



BBC NEWS | Americas | White House 'warned over Iraq claim'



Tony Blair knew, the CIA knew, members of Congress knew, Intelligence Agencies around the world knew, and yet the Bush Administration pushed on with the Iraq War.

Book says White House ordered forgery - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com



Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War - washingtonpost.com



The Bush Administration also pushed the lie that Saddam Hussein was connected to the 9/11 attacks for years, even including it in his March 18, 2003 letter to Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq:

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - SourceWatch

The bill was originally drafted by President George W. Bush's office, then sent to the Congress for review. It was signed by the President, with few changes, on October 16, 2002. Section 3, Subsection b, Item 2 of the bill required the President to "make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that... acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

On March 21, 2003, Bush sent a letter to Congress fulfilling the bill's requirements and assuring the Congress that "use of armed force" was necessary to "protect the national security of the United States" and was "consistent with" acting against those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. It said that Bush had "reluctantly concluded" that "only the use of armed force will accomplish these objectives and restore international peace and security in the area [of Iraq]." Neither the 2002 Authorization nor Bush's 2003 letter mentions full-scale invasion and occupation of Iraq. The occupation's legality relies heavily on the leeway provided by the clause authorizing the President "to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" to "defend" U.S. national security and unilaterally "enforce" UN resolutions on Iraq.

Why can't you just simply tell the truth?

You first.

 

[uscitizen]

It seems he's spot on mud. You gave yourself away with this "Obama's really a Muslim" hysteria. All that was missing would be to use "The Messiah."

Maybe his words....not mine.

But keep lying bitch.

I want you to know that you have really disappointed me.

Seriously.

I would have never imagined you were such a Far RW fringer.

Really? He never had me fooled at all on that.

 

[gekaap]

Is it really?

There are Repubicans...and then there are Conservatives...

Whom are you speaking of?

Really, I'm speaking of any political flavor one can find out there. Republicans don't lie, conservatives don't lie, Democrats don't lie, liberals don't lie, centrists don't lie, independents don't lie, Libertarians don't lie....PEOPLE lie. You can find it on any side of any issue.

 

[gekaap]

Posting this bullsqueeze TWICE doesn't make it more true bub.

WOW. You're more interested in complaining about a technical difficulty than addressing him on the merits of his argument. I never thought I would see that day.

 

[uscitizen]

Is it really?

There are Repubicans...and then there are Conservatives...

Whom are you speaking of?

Really, I'm speaking of any political flavor one can find out there. Republicans don't lie, conservatives don't lie, Democrats don't lie, liberals don't lie, centrists don't lie, independents don't lie, Libertarians don't lie....PEOPLE lie. You can find it on any side of any issue.

there are even fiscally conservative liberal leaners.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Let's look at that outright lies of these people:

First Obama compared himself to Lincoln when he announced he was running.
Then everyone started comparing him to JFK, Michelle to Jackie.He claims he will close GITMO.
He claims he will get us out of Iraq.
He claims we must pull out of Iraq so we can go to Afghanistan were he will find Bin Laden. Don't hold your breath.

Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.
Then they claimed that their Health Care bill would cut costs and provide insurance for everyone but it's discovered it does nether.

Obama claims he's not a Muslim but supports them at every turn.
Obama claims he's a Christian, and he starts going to church after two years of not going and declaring this is not a Christian nation and refusing to attend the annual prayer breakfast.

Obama claims jobs are his number one priority but he seems to spend all of his time on everything else.

Now the Gulf Oil spill. Obama says he was on the job from day one, forgetting that he first said it wasn't his problem but BP's, and he will not rest till the oil spill is capped and the mess cleaned up....then he goes on vacation and the leak continues for months. You see Obama was so busy calling an entire state racist that he forgot to do his job. So for 10 days he ignored the largest ecological disaster in our history so he could bad-mouth Arizona.

He claimed he lifted the drilling moratorium, and he did, for a day, then promptly re-instated it. He is currently in contempt of court to a federal judge's court order to remove said moratorium.

The left claims that Sarah Palin had something to do with the Arizona Shooter. This time Obama is all over it so he can act like he cares, unlike the way he acted after several service members were shot and killed at Ft Hood earlier last year.

Harry Reid recently said that Social Security is funded for at least 40 years.

Nancy Pelosi said, after she lost 66 seats, that their primary goal was to cut the deficit.

The Tea Party is called violent and full of racists. Code Pink is ignored when they say they want to cut off Clarence Thomas's toes and feed them to him.


Chris Matthews compares the Tea Party to the Muslim Brotherhood. Problem is the Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas. Many Al Qaeda members are also members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Now Obama's media cohorts claims he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan, forget that this came to them around the 100th anniversary of his birth.

My how convenient.

The lies are too many to list here.

So I ask you, how can anyone believe anything these people say????

Let's start at the beginning of your rant....those two things didn't happen?

No. Don't justify the left and obamaturds lies.

 

[mudwhistle]

Then he claimed that the Stimulus would create jobs, which it never has.
They change the way the unemployed are counted so they can fudge the stats. We are currently over 10% but nobody really knows how much.

Two more lies.

1.) Do you have any evidence that it has been "the left" and "the left" alone that has been fudging the statistics about unemployment? Last I checked, both parties are guilty of doing so. Carter did so by disregarding those unemployed after a year for example, Reagan did after six months.

2.) Whether you agree with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or not, it did create jobs. The debate is whether it created the number of jobs it was suppose to or whether it was worth the cost. However, to claim that the Stimulus has never created any jobs is such a blatant falsehood.

3.) Tax incentives for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was worth $288 billion total, $237 billion for individuals and $15 billion for companies.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tax incentives
Total: $288 billion

[edit]Tax incentives for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[29]

$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[29]

$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).

$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.

$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[41]

$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.

$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.

$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.

$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.

[edit]Tax incentives for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.

$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).

$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.

$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.

$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.

Are you going to try and sit there telling me that tax cuts don't work all of a sudden?

What tax cuts?

Obama raised 8 taxes. Cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, several others while he was supposedly lowering our taxes a few bucks.

How many tax-cuts did he give the the Middle Class?

Don't include the Bush Tax Cuts because all he did was extend the cuts that were already in place. Two years into his term we have received nothing more then a $13 dollar per pay period exemption that we have to give back at the end of the year. Whoopee!!!!!!

This year the Health Care bill taxes kick in. But to date we still don't know if they'll ever go into effect because a federal judge has ruled the entire bill unconstitutional. Course Obama is ignoring the court order. So the tax increases are going through as planned.

No, tax cuts work....and the Democrats have been claiming all along that they don't.

Btw, you've opened up a couple more issues. How the fuck does $250k a year make you a millionaire or a billionaire?

Where the Bush tax cuts are concerned......the Dems have been lying to us for years that they benefit only the rich but it turns out they benefited everyone who pays taxes, including the Middle Class. How do you reconcile that fucken lie dip-shit???

 

[mudwhistle]

It seems he's spot on mud. You gave yourself away with this "Obama's really a Muslim" hysteria. All that was missing would be to use "The Messiah."

Maybe his words....not mine.

But keep lying bitch.

I want you to know that you have really disappointed me.

Seriously.

I would have never imagined you were such a Far RW fringer.

I'm so happy to have disappointed you Marc.

I live to disappoint you.

It's one of my favorite things to do.

 

[AmericanFirst]

So sad when Cons post after hitting the sauce.

Here they come, can't argue truthfully so they start in. Here is one for you, sit down libtard. Idiot.

 

[The Hatter]

What tax cuts?

Obama raised 8 taxes. Cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, several others while he was supposedly lowering our taxes a few bucks.

How many taxes did he give the the Middle Class?

Don't include the Bush Tax Cuts because all he did was extend the cuts that were already in place. Two years into his term we have received nothing more then a $13 dollar per pay period exemption that we have to give back at the end of the year. Whoopee!!!!!!

This year the Health Care bill taxes kick in. But to date we still don't know if they'll ever go into effect because a federal judge has ruled the entire bill unconstitutional. Course Obama is ignoring the court order. So the tax increases are going through as planned.

No, tax cuts work....and the Democrats have been claiming all along that they don't.

Btw, you've opened up a couple more issues. How the fuck does $250k a year make you a millionaire or a billionaire?

Where the Bush tax cuts are concerned......the Dems have been lying to us for years that they benefit only the rich but it turns out they benefited everyone who pays taxes, including the Middle Class. How do you reconcile that fucken lie dip-shit???

So you just decided to ignore that about 35% of the Stimulus bill spending was tax cuts?

Also, don't include the Bush Tax Cuts? President Obama could of just have easily not kept the tax cuts. To say they shouldn't be included is partisan on your part.

You seem to be confused. I'm not a huge fan of President Obama by any means. In fact, I didn't vote for him in the last election. However, your blatant falsehoods and attempted demonizing does nothing but make Conservatives look bad. There are many legitimate issues in which you could criticize the President on. However, his religion isn't one of them. Neither is generalizations that are false.

 

[AquaAthena]

Lies:

Have you 7 minutes?

No? Have you less than 2 minutes?

 

[rdean]

You know that when you disprove one thing, all your lies fall apart.

Here is a list of 114 Republican Senators and Congressmen who attempted to take credit for the jobs they say were never created by the "stimulus". One hundred and fourteen.

That's 10 groups of ten plus another group of ten plus four.

Stimulating Hypocrisy: 114 Lawmakers Block Recovery While Taking Credit For Its Success

What does that make you guys feel like when you get schooled and let down by your own pathetic leadership? Must feel bad.

Fuck you rdean, where are the jobs?

You may not be qualified.

Notice, the Republicans found them. That's why they took "credit".

 

[AmericanFirst]

Good question.

Of course, the response will be "Well the right is lying about...." as if that is some justification.

You're right, one side lying does not justify the other side doing so. But, I would question whether this stuff constitutes lying, or if it's just failure to follow through on promises whether through distraction or incompetence or some combination thereof (the bit about his religion is unfounded speculation with no evidence). Not the same thing.

I also would wonder what is the alternative that the right has to offer. If it is no better in this regard, then shouldn't the "people in glass houses" rule apply?

Also, since the right seems to so detest Obama's promised actions, why should the right complain if he fails to follow through?

He failed to follow through with his lies because he is incompetent.

 

[rdean]

What tax cuts?

Obama raised 8 taxes. Cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, several others while he was supposedly lowering our taxes a few bucks.

How many taxes did he give the the Middle Class?

Don't include the Bush Tax Cuts because all he did was extend the cuts that were already in place. Two years into his term we have received nothing more then a $13 dollar per pay period exemption that we have to give back at the end of the year. Whoopee!!!!!!

This year the Health Care bill taxes kick in. But to date we still don't know if they'll ever go into effect because a federal judge has ruled the entire bill unconstitutional. Course Obama is ignoring the court order. So the tax increases are going through as planned.

No, tax cuts work....and the Democrats have been claiming all along that they don't.

Btw, you've opened up a couple more issues. How the fuck does $250k a year make you a millionaire or a billionaire?

Where the Bush tax cuts are concerned......the Dems have been lying to us for years that they benefit only the rich but it turns out they benefited everyone who pays taxes, including the Middle Class. How do you reconcile that fucken lie dip-shit???

So you just decided to ignore that about 35% of the Stimulus bill spending was tax cuts?

Also, don't include the Bush Tax Cuts? President Obama could of just have easily not kept the tax cuts. To say they shouldn't be included is partisan on your part.

You seem to be confused. I'm not a huge fan of President Obama by any means. In fact, I didn't vote for him in the last election. However, your blatant falsehoods and attempted demonizing does nothing but make Conservatives look bad. There are many legitimate issues in which you could criticize the President on. However, his religion isn't one of them. Neither is generalizations that are false.

Did you vote for "John McCain"?

 

[The T]

Is it really?

There are Repubicans...and then there are Conservatives...

Whom are you speaking of?

Really, I'm speaking of any political flavor one can find out there. Republicans don't lie, conservatives don't lie, Democrats don't lie, liberals don't lie, centrists don't lie, independents don't lie, Libertarians don't lie....PEOPLE lie. You can find it on any side of any issue.

PEOPLE DO Lie...Bully for you saying that...I'd be more impressed had you said Career POLITICIANS however.

Conservatives are for the vision of the Founders. Citizen legislators that do their bit, and go home back to REAL commerce producing jobs... and don't make a CAREER of politics on the public dole.

You're close...but not close enough.

 

[gekaap]

He failed to follow through with his lies because he is incompetent.

I'm inclined to agree. But that still does not address my questions.

 

[gekaap]

Conservatives are for the vision of the Founders. Citizen legislators that do their bit, and go home back to REAL commerce producing jobs... and don't make a CAREER of politics on the public dole.

You're close...but not close enough.

So are you suggesting that conservatives do not become career politicians?

 

[The Hatter]

PEOPLE DO Lie...Bully for you saying that...I'd be more impressed had you said Career POLITICIANS however.

Conservatives are for the vision of the Founders. Citizen legislators that do their bit, and go home back to REAL commerce producing jobs... and don't make a CAREER of politics on the public dole.

You're close...but not close enough.

Like who?

Republicans haven't had a real Conservative since Barry Goldwater and he was a five-term Senator from Arizona.

The Republican Party has lost it's way by abandoning it's principles which once made it a great party. These days, Republicans seem more worried about making laws about Abortion than they do protecting the civil liberties of citizens.

 

[mudwhistle]

What tax cuts?

Obama raised 8 taxes. Cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, several others while he was supposedly lowering our taxes a few bucks.

How many taxes did he give the the Middle Class?

Don't include the Bush Tax Cuts because all he did was extend the cuts that were already in place. Two years into his term we have received nothing more then a $13 dollar per pay period exemption that we have to give back at the end of the year. Whoopee!!!!!!

This year the Health Care bill taxes kick in. But to date we still don't know if they'll ever go into effect because a federal judge has ruled the entire bill unconstitutional. Course Obama is ignoring the court order. So the tax increases are going through as planned.

No, tax cuts work....and the Democrats have been claiming all along that they don't.

Btw, you've opened up a couple more issues. How the fuck does $250k a year make you a millionaire or a billionaire?

Where the Bush tax cuts are concerned......the Dems have been lying to us for years that they benefit only the rich but it turns out they benefited everyone who pays taxes, including the Middle Class. How do you reconcile that fucken lie dip-shit???

So you just decided to ignore that about 35% of the Stimulus bill spending was tax cuts?

Also, don't include the Bush Tax Cuts? President Obama could of just have easily not kept the tax cuts. To say they shouldn't be included is partisan on your part.

You seem to be confused. I'm not a huge fan of President Obama by any means. In fact, I didn't vote for him in the last election. However, your blatant falsehoods and attempted demonizing does nothing but make Conservatives look bad. There are many legitimate issues in which you could criticize the President on. However, his religion isn't one of them. Neither is generalizations that are false.

You can't call it a cut when it stays the same as it was. If it was less, it's a cut. If it's more it's an increase. Do the math.

I told you I believe he's an Atheist. What he tries to portray himself as is confusing to say the least. And the confusion is why I think what he's doing is a serious mistake.

Oh, and just because you don't agree with my post doesn't mean it's full of blatant falsehoods. You haven't proved that any of it is wrong. The closest to it is your claims on the Stimulus bill. I read the exemptions. They're all targeted. Most of us cannot take advantage of them. But anyone who smokes or drinks gets slammed. The fucker also made my favorite cigarettes illegal (clove cigarettes). That alone pisses me off. I have to send to Indonesia to get them now. Fucker. If he cuts taxes for a few businesses and raises them across the board for everyone, then I think any cuts get buried by the increases.

Oh, and Obama's anti-business policies, and his regulations are what's stifling job growth, as well as his rhetoric. Nobody trusts a President that tells everyone to hire people then makes it more expensive to do so. Businesses big and small have no idea what else is coming next with these lunatics. Cass Sunstein is his regulatory Czar. The same Cass Sunstein that wants to give animals legal representation. He believes that the internet weakens Democracy.

Organized chaos is what I call it. Wikileaks happened under Obama. He's been rumored to have been giving British weapons secrets to the Russians in exchange for nuke reduction promises.