The Lazy Poor

[TemplarKormac]

Urban economies cannot absorb them.

What do you suggest?

We continue to gut and limit family planning and access to abortions to the poor.

Uh.. how is it family planning when you are killing the family you're planning? Explain that to me please.

 

[Truthmatters]

Would Jesus have whipped the money changers and called them theives if they had been working through the government of the time to feed the poor?

 

[Truthmatters]

Urban economies cannot absorb them.

What do you suggest?

We continue to gut and limit family planning and access to abortions to the poor.

Uh.. how is it family planning when you are killing the family you're planning? Explain that to me please.

The laws oif this country ARE that women have a right to control what happens inside their very flesh.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, because there is no better way to walk the path of Jesus than to do so while complaining about the poor.

Jesus said to give to those who don't feel like working?

I must have missed that memo.


Or are you just too dumb to understand the OP?

Right. Jesus said,

blessed is the starvation of the little children whose parents refuse to work, for that shall inspire them to someday be better parents.

Which government programs that assist the poor would you end? As in end completely.

"... starvation of the little children..."

Heck, I realize how busy you are, making it up as you go along....so I don't mind repeating this, from post #24:


"As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II."
How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America


How ya' feel now, boooyyyyyeeeee???

 

[NYcarbineer]

Modern conservatism uses the poor as a distraction to pick your pocket to the benefit of the rich,

not to mention to the benefit of the war machine, especially all the money we spend defending other nations for free,

nations that can well afford their own defense.

Why don't people like the OP remind us how LAZY those nations, like Korea, Japan, Israel, et al, are??

What is this one.....obfuscation #3? 4?....


Lady Thatcher said " "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."


One thing you guys never seem to run out of is excuses.

What's your excuse for us paying other nations' defense bills?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus said to give to those who don't feel like working?

I must have missed that memo.


Or are you just too dumb to understand the OP?

Right. Jesus said,

blessed is the starvation of the little children whose parents refuse to work, for that shall inspire them to someday be better parents.

Which government programs that assist the poor would you end? As in end completely.

"... starvation of the little children..."

Heck, I realize how busy you are, making it up as you go along....so I don't mind repeating this, from post #24:


"As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II."
How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America


How ya' feel now, boooyyyyyeeeee???

That's because our nation's poor get all the assistance that you want to take away from them. That is WHY they are better off.

You want that to end.

 

[rightwinger]

1. This is Star Parker: "Parker was born to mostly absent parents and raised in a nonreligious home; she says she was raised "by the secular 'I'm okay, you're okay' doctrine that says people should be allowed to make their own rules and shouldn't judge other people's lives."

She lived in Japan for three years and returned to the U.S., moving to East St. Louis, Illinois, at twelve, at which point she says she "just joined right in" with the "anger and tension among blacks" in the area.[4] "I bought into the lie that there was nothing in America for me except institutional racism and glass ceilings that would keep me from getting promoted," she said.[4]

She said that after one arrest for shoplifting, her white high school guidance counselor told her "not to worry about it, because I was a 'victim of racism, lashing out at society.'" [5] After attending church at the behest of her friends, she embraced Christianity and began turning her life around.[4]"
Star Parker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




2. In her book, "Uncle Sam's Plantation," Star Parker makes the point that there are several kinds of poor people. In one particularly poignant passage, she relates her own journey as one of the 'lazy poor.'

"Let me make sure that I understand you correctly," I inquired of the welfare caseworker as I presented her with my pregnancy confirmation note from a doctor. "All I have to do for you to send me $465 a month, $176 worth of food stamps, and 100% free medical and dental assistance is keep this baby. As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid? Where do I sign up?"

3. It was like winning the lottery....I had been looking for a way to finance my laziness. Now, at 23, I had finally found a source of income that did not require work.






4. I would steal money from my mother's purse...steal property and money from neighbors or local merchants....I lusted after the finest designer labels...and blamed racism, my parents, and any other excuse society would allow me to use for my laziness. My attitude of victimization, coupled with my unwillingness to develop the habits necessary to attain financial independence, led me further into poverty.

a. The root cause of this poverty is the perverse, counterproductive incentives arising from the welfare system itself. Charles Murray’s “Losing Ground” documented this effect using social indicators such as work, marriage, legitimacy, crime, and alcohol and drug abuse, and showing how the massive increase in government welfare programs worsened the problem.

b. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence. From Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five.





5. The lazy poor are the one poverty group for which a central government must facilitate welfare services through guilt and manipulation of the rest of the populace. This is because taxpayers generally despise this poverty group because, no matter how expensive the welfare programs are, the lazy poor always want more. They depend on the pity of liberal politicians to redistribute wealth, so that they can get what they want with little effort and no personal responsibility.

6. Compare this group to the economically challenged poor, whose tax payments offset most of the government benefits they might receive: no, the social consequences, and social costs due to the actions of the lazy poor are a financial drain on our entire tax system.

7. These are the "I couldn't care less" poor, the 'refuse to work' poor, and those poor who claim welfare benefits as their 'entitlement.' Some politicians believe they are doing these folks a favor by addicting them to a government-subsidized life. These are people who will be forever impoverished: they have bought the lie that poor people are poor because rich people are rich, and, therefore, they can demand that Uncle Sam fuels, or at least feels, their pain.





8. Dr. Thomas Sowell points out another sort of 'poor,' who aren't really poor. The terms ‘the rich’ and ‘the poor’ are seldom defined. Thus, there are mistakes in understanding the difference between the flow of income during a given year, and what has been accumulated. Similarly, the poor are usually defined in terms of current income, rather than how much they have or have not accumulated. Income and wealth are not the same thing. So, government definitions based on income can be misleading.
For many hand-wringing, bleeding-heat Liberals the following distinctions escape them.
Too nuanced, or requires actual thought.

a. Some who have low income, but are hardly poor are the spouse of a rich or affluent husband or wife.

b. Affluent or wealthy speculators, investors, or business owners having an off year.

c. Students who graduate in the middle of the year, and, therefore, earn half of what they would have.

d. Doctors or other professionals just starting out.

e. Those still living at home with folks who are wealthy or affluent. Or retirees in the reverse situation.
From "Economic Facts and Fallacies," Thomas Sowell



I hope it's not too late for something to be done to change the direction of this nation.

Interesting post

What are your proposed solutions?

 

[Katzndogz]

Having been poor, in a time when being poor meant desperation, it isn't only laziness that keeps the poor so poor. Many of them are like my parents, they enjoy the freedom that poverty brings. They don't have to get up and go to work every day, they don't have to struggle to pay bills. They don't have to kiss the landlord's ass or the boss's ass. For my Dad, not working was proof positive that he went his own way and no one could pay him to be a brown nose. The poor have a principle. That principle is they won't be a wage slave. No one will tell them when to show up, when to eat lunch, when to leave. The poor, so many, many times, look down on the working class as dupes catering to corporate masters when they don't have to. Poverty gives them a kind of superiority.

 

[PoliticalChic]

why do you speak against what Jesus preached?

Is it government schooling that taught you that making stuff up is the equivalent of responding to actual posts?

It sure is a time saver....

You might benefit from this:

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Ms. Coulter.

 

[Truthmatters]

when have you ever proven out to be correct on anything you have ever said here PC?

your jsut filled to the brim with hate.

Jesus was all about protecting the poor and NOT about blaming them for their fate.


You are noit really a christina huh?

You just claim it for your partys sake huh?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Would Jesus have whipped the money changers and called them theives if they had been working through the government of the time to feed the poor?

They were doing it in a house of prayer, they turned it into a den of thieves. They had plenty place else to do their bidding and selling.

 

[Spoonman]

why do you speak against what Jesus preached?

i thought we had a separation of church and state. why do you keep bringing religion into your arguments?

 

[FJO]

how is 650 enough to do anything but barely eek by?

By supplementing it by dealing drugs, illegal guns, pimping, robbery, carjacking, shop lifting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Having been poor before, I can only laugh when I hear conservatives tell us how great it is.

If the poverty is of the mental variety.....you've got a ways to go.

At least I work on my feet and not on my back.

Obfuscation #5? 6?


No better 'white flag' from you dim-wits that the resort to some sort of derogatory sexual half-wit comment.
Wow...it sure was macho.


The thing you should be working on is your education.

 

[TemplarKormac]

We continue to gut and limit family planning and access to abortions to the poor.

Uh.. how is it family planning when you are killing the family you're planning? Explain that to me please.

The laws oif this country ARE that women have a right to control what happens inside their very flesh.

Stop preaching you loon. It is not "the law of this country." My state is one of those where it isn't.

Georgia Abortion Laws - FindLaw

 

[NYcarbineer]

If the poverty is of the mental variety.....you've got a ways to go.

At least I work on my feet and not on my back.

Obfuscation #5? 6?


No better 'white flag' from you dim-wits that the resort to some sort of derogatory sexual half-wit comment.
Wow...it sure was macho.


The thing you should be working on is your education.

The queen of insults throws a tantrum when she gets a taste of her own medicine.

How great is that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

why do you speak against what Jesus preached?

Is it government schooling that taught you that making stuff up is the equivalent of responding to actual posts?

It sure is a time saver....

You might benefit from this:

"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Ms. Coulter.

And I guess the fact that you went to ultra-liberal Columbia University is Exhibit A?

lol

 

[Mac1958]

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This goes far beyond "the poor" in the big picture.

When we lower standards, when we lower expectations, when we make excuses for others, when we spend more effort in building some artificial "self esteem" than we do motivating others to exert real effort and reach their potential, we're hurting people in both the short term and the long term. How we don't see that is an abject mystery to me.

The worst part is that the above actions have become ingrained of our culture, and our decay will continue until we find a way to reverse it. Personally, I don't see how that happens.

.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Correct me if I'm wrong PC but aren't you a stay at home mom?

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. All this talk about the poor. While there are poor people who will always be poor because of attitude and inherant dificiences in character and mental abilities, most of todays poor are working. And that situation has been brought about by this;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhvYeQPOcE]Wealth Distribution in the USA - SHOCKING! - YouTube[/ame]

But this is what PC and her Randian philosophy considers ideal.