The Islam Thread

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by glockmail, Oct 5, 2006.

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    The Jewish Torah (God’s law) is the first 5 books of the Christian Bible, and has been duplicated and translated faithfully throughout the centuries by Jews and Christians. This has been proven scientifically many times, most notable by the Dead Sea Scrolls matching modern texts word for word, carbon dated 200-400 BC. The first book of the Torah is Genesis, which includes details of the life of Abraham, who lived about 2000BC.

    Mohamed wrote the Koran around 600AD, starting with the story of Abraham. Obviously, he was not able to travel back in time and change events, so any divergence from the Torah would be incorrect, if not heretical. “According to Islamic tradition, it was Ishmael, not Isaac, that Abraham offered to God on Mount Moriah. In the Qu’ran it does not actually specify which son, but the verses, which follow that passage, speak about Isaac.” [source: mandinkapeople.com]

    Christianity does not diverge from the Torah whatsoever. Over centuries Jewish traditions evolved with interpretations of the Torah that Jesus found to be incorrect. An example is harvesting sustenance during the Sabbath. His detractors wanted to punish Him for doing so, but He corrected them because the Sabbath was created for people to replenish and worship, not go hungry on a day of rest. The modern term "duh" comes to mind here.

    Mohamed, on the other hand, reinterpreted the Torah against Christ's teachings.

    Is this proof that Islam is a false religion?
     
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    Strictly speaking, no. You would first have to prove that the Torah and/or Bible are indicitive of true religion, which I believe was your unstated assumption. But, if one believes (or shows) that the Torah is true, and that the Koran contradicts the Torah, then one could cponclude that the Koran is false, and therefore any religion based upon the Koran would have to be false.
     
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    As Islam is based on Christianity and Judaism, I don't have to prove that the older religions are true or not. The burden of proof is on Islam, which recognizes Jesus as "the greatest prophet", then ignores His teachings.
     
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    I think that, as a factual text, the Torah is more credible. The Torah was written by Moses, and Genesis was a compilation of what we can reasonably assume to be previously oral traditions. The rest of the Torah is almost entirely a first hand account, as Moses was there to actually see it all. As glockmail has already shown, archeological evidence indicates that the modern copies of the Torah are nearly identical in every meaningful way to the original, meaning that deviation from the actual historical account can be considered minimal.

    The Koran, on the other hand, was written by a man who was not Jewish, nor did he have a copy of the Torah on hand. According to legend, he was illiterate, and at the very least, was unlikely to have had the skills necessary to make an accurate translation of the Torah. The writing also had little connection with the original event. Even if he did compile a list of oral traditions, as Moses did, the gap was far greater by a margin of millenia, so the propensity for mistakes is far greater, and considering that the Koran itself does not actually say that Ishmael was the son Moses was to sacrifice even though Ishmael is considered to be the father of the Arab people, I'd say it's pretty telling.

    That being said, it's still logically possible, even if it is highly unlikely, that the Koran is the accurate account. However, legally, the Torah must be assumed to be a more accurate account, as its credibility is backed by evidence.
     
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    Spoken like a Southern Gentleman.:clap1:
     
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    Personally, I have a hard time believing anything said by a man who marries and soon thereafter deflowers a nine year old. But maybe that's just me.
     
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    I'm lost, unless you are speaking in regards to mohammed?
     
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    Yeppers.
     
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    :beer: Great minds.
     
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