The hawks’ wings are clipped

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    Israel's election: The hawks? wings are clipped | The Economist

    YAIR LAPID, a former television talk-show host whose secular, middle-of-the-road party soared into second place in Israel’s election on January 22nd, wrote a popular column for years in the newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, in which he would ask, “What is it to be Israeli?” What, in other words, does it take to feel you belong in the Jewish state? The question became his trademark. Now a large chunk of the electorate—a lot larger than the pollsters predicted—has given an answer that may reshape Israel’s future, not least by improving the chance of a durable peace with the Palestinians.

    Mr Lapid’s party, Yesh Atid (There is a Future), running for the first time, got 19 seats in the 120-seat parliament, against 31 for Likud-Beitenu, led by the incumbent prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, who is still expected to retain his post. But he will find it much harder in the next month or so to rejig his ruling coalition. Hawkish and religious parties that have been generally loth to offer the sort of territorial and other compromises needed to revive the peace process got half the seats. But the election result shows that Israelis on the more malleable middle ground are still a force to be reckoned with. The post-election bargaining will be a lot trickier than Mr Netanyahu expected.

    Two key consequences may ensue. One is that Naftali Bennett, the religious hawk who rejects the idea of Palestinian state altogether, may not have to be brought into a government. Pollsters had expected his new party to do so well that Mr Netanyahu would have had to give him a senior post.
     
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    Netanyahu will certainly be able to form a coalition which will enable him to carry out his previous firm policies!

    However, the current thinking in Israel is that his new coalition could be more right wing than centrist.

    Whatever happens .... you can be sure that Netanyahu will be realistic regarding the Palestinians and their real aim: To destroy Israel rather than make peace with Israel!.


    The Hawk's wings haven't been clipped and he is as strong as ever!:eusa_clap:
     
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    poor anti-semite... it must kill you that he was re-elected.

    :woohoo:
     
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    Just felt the Jillian thingy
    Moaning about my so-called anti-Semitism
    Poor girl can’t get off

    neg. repping me, so she fantasies

    putting on her Betty Boop
    Slut wanna be
    Hearing

    The screaming
    Cries of the father of
    Mohammed al Dura murdered

    By the Israeli
    Defense forces with
    Bullets and torn bloody

    From his arms...
    Behind the guns I
    Could see

    The scums Jillian along
    With the Insurance Lawyer
    Pulling the triggers

    In delight...
     
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    Be serious skye, what means do the stick&stone forces do the Palestinians have to destroy Israel? Can you provide a serious scenario that the Palestinians could destroy Israel in the next 100 years?
    Netanyahu lost roughly 20% of his coalitions seats to a new generation sick of constant wars. A generation that is growing while his is waning!
     
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    Clipped shmipped, Obama also won with a very tight margin, but unfortunately, elections have consequences, the main one being its a winner-take-all situation. So once in a while the victor will throw a bone to the loosing side just to keep them busy and on their toes.
     
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    In an electoral system where at least three parties win enough vote to take an active part in governing, why do you say "the winner takes it all" when that is patently not the case?


    It does seem as if the election will see Israel shift slightly to the right, in which case there is precious little chance of any real progress towards a long-term settlement.
     
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    Muhammad Al Dura was not murdered by Israeli IDF. His "death" was staged.
     
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    Pbel, you need to learn more about Israeli politics, because you're deep wrong.

    The reason why Bibi lost votes is much more complicated.

    More than a year and a half ago, a young girl was thrown out of her house, and went to protest in the streets against the housing problem. Her protest, in a matter of weeks, became the protest of all of Israel, the protest of mothers, teachers, farmers, taxi drivers, doctors, nurses, and many others. the people of Israel were tired of the government robbing the money of the working class in favor of the rich people. for long months this protest took place, and dozens of thousands of Israelis got out to the street.

    Something was malfanctuianing.

    This protest had a HUGE weight on the election, behind the scenes. Netanyahu has the image as a leader who at times protests Israel's interests when it comes to the outside world, but inside, the working class sufferes while the money go to the rich, the orthodox Jews who do not serve in the IDF and get budgets for study in the Colleges and Yeshivot, and to many others who do not deserve the Israel taxes.

    Ya'ir Lapid came in suggestion to cut short the budget for orthodox, to help the education system so that the future will be better for Israeli children (In math ans science, especially), to deal with the problem of orthodox non-serve in the IDF, and to help young couples with the housing problem.

    When it comes to the political issue, lapid said he will sit in a government that will negotiate. That's good, but it's too general for the Israeli voter to chose him based solely on that. so Lapid got 19 mandates because of his suggestion for the economic-social issues, but when it comes to politics, the hand managing things is still the Likud.

    And the Jewish house in the head of Naftalie bennett. Bennett also had agenda of solving economic social issues. He put the undeline on better Jewish traditional education for kids, cutting the security budget in favor of the young couple and education system, allowing a nagotiation which will bring for more public services on Shabbat (like busses and taxis) and he wishes also to take the Giyur case in his hands, so that those wishing to convert to Judaism, will succeed doing so with less difficulty.

    His great enemies in that field are the orthodox Jews of the "Shas" party, who used to call him a "Gentile" over his proposition of public transportation on Shabbat and his view of conversion.

    The orthodox Jews of Shas have been known for taking more and more of the taxes and give the money for orthodox. While I, as a non-orthodox student, have to pay around 30-40 THOUSAND for high education for college, the orthodox students have a budget which helps him/her, a budget that disabled, students with children, and students with economical poor conditions do NOT have. they get budget even though they don't serve international service and don't go to the army. Basically, they get our money without doing anything in return. Most of non-orthodox Jews, including the religious-Zionists Jews are not at all comfortalbe with that idea.

    So what do you do? You choose either Ya'ir Lapid or Bennett to sit alongside Netanyahu. Personally I voted for the Jewish house based on his education system call for changes, and his view of conversions and economical improvement suggestions. I do have a serious problem with the way he sees to solve the West Bank issue (but that's a different discussion).

    Bibi has to have more than 60 sits. SO taking his, 31, and adding Lapid, 19, and then adding the 12 of Bennett, and WALLAH! problem solved. BUT there is a big problem. Well actually 2.

    The first, the orthodox ones of Shas will not budge. They fear Lapid because now he has the power to sat a new-age order, so called. they know that if he has the back, and he HAS the back of MILLIONS, he can arrenge that the Tal-Law (allowing orthodox Jews not to serve in any national service when reaching 18) will fall down. Most Israelis don't want this law to be renewed. Shas has 11 sits, while Lapid has 19, that's very problematic for them. problem is that they most of the time win the last word. However THIS time, it's not so clear they win, if the public protest.

    Which bring us to problem nu#2. and that is that Benjamin Natanyahu is NOT the prime minister of the state of Israel. ANY Israeli will tell you that most decision are not made by him. They're made by his WIFE, Sarah. What Sarah says, goes. She has complete control over his governmental decisions, she had those for YEARS. And now she decided she doesn't get along with Bennett. So what she says is that she prefers the orthodox to sit with Netanyahu. But Lapid said he won't sit with them, because his entire charter was less power for them, more power for the rest of Israeli citizens. So what is the solution? none, we have a problem. Now Netanyahu wants to make "home peace" by giving Lapid te foreign minister case (which personally I think is stupid, nobody voted for him to have THAT, people voted for him to solve economic issues and social problems) because his WIFE wishes for the orthodox to be in the coalition in order to get even on Bennett.

    This is totally screwed up situation.
     
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    Philsy, as Lipush pointed out - your own "poem" was nothing but a malign fantasy based on a Pallywood production which has been quite thoroughly debunked.

    While you wish to hold up your façade of 'wishing for a just peace' - you might want to refrain from using such obviously faked-up situations as the "justification" for your hate speech. After all, you want to present yourself as 'reasonable'...someone really ought to try to repair the destruction to the Palestinian cause which is continually being wrought by that 'S&M' poster's rants.
     

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