CDZ The Greatest, Most Articulate, Most Profound Social Commentator of Our Time: Jordan Peterson

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    Conservatives have finally found the Moses to lead them out of the media wilderness. Superlatives can’t begin to describe Jordan Peterson. Watch his dozens of videos on YouTube. Buy his book, 12 Rules or Life, An Antidote to Chaos. This guy is the liberal arts degree we all should have gotten in college. He is brilliant. But he applies his brilliance so that we can connect to it instead of instead of holding us at arms length. Best of all he destroys all the progressive myths with pure logic.

    As a conservative you always believed you were on the right path but you never had as much of the intelligentsia back you up. You were shamed into submission, shouted down, spat upon, and diminished in every aspect of your being. Worst of all you were branded ignorant, backwards and pedestrian. Jordan Peterson changes all that. He gives each one of us the weapons and armor we need to go into battle with the elitists, the left, the college professors and the socialists. He has an answer for everything. He embraces the individual, not the collective. He tramples all over notions like rudderless compassion or utopian visions. He brings Jung and Freud and his training as a clinical psychologist into full play. The man is informed on everything from biology to pop culture. He speaks with such erudition and clarity you spend time just savoring a sentence over and over. It is not an overstatement to say that he may singlehandedly reverse the decline of western civilization.

    His book is not light reading. It takes a focus for me. I find I grasp it better on the audio book. I have only finished three chapters but chapter three gives you all the ammunition you need to dispatch all the left leaning army here at usmb. Yes he is that good. It would not do for me to paraphrase his ideas as I could not approach his level of communication.

    I gladly confess to being a disciple, even a sycophant. One of Peterson’s greatest suggestions is that if you are going to be a moral man you are required to be a judge mental man, there can be no morality without it. That’s a good start. Research this guy. Be a part of history while it is being made. Use this guy to find meaning and direction in your life. I certainly am. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
     
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    Ok, never heard of the guy.

    His biggest presence is on YouTube, bumping elbows with the fools doing the lastest viral.challenge and dancing as they run alongside their moving cars, but he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    Yeah, let's go with that.
     
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    He makes a lot of sense. You can demean him by equating him with viral challenges or you can read what he wrote. Here is an example:

    Happiness is a pointless goal. Don’t compare yourself with other people, compare yourself with who you were yesterday. No one gets away with anything, ever, so take responsibility for your own life. You conjure your own world, not only metaphorically but also literally and neurologically. These lessons are what the great stories and myths have been telling us since civilisation began.
    — Jordan Peterson, 2018[3]
     
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    That is a nice list of what OTHER people think about Peterson but ultimately not very helpful.

    Listening to some of his debates I really don't see him as all that different from a dozen other people in similar situations but he really is quite competent. MOst of the time people simply do not respond because they cant argue with the logic.

    Then again, logic and reasoning do not take a front seat in political discourse anymore.
     
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    I've seen a couple segments of him being interviewed. Quite impressive. Not quite sure he's a thoroughbred conservative tho -- if that matters to you. Sounds a bit "libertarian" :ack-1: on actual political policy. :badgrin:

    As desperate as the situation here in the US -- its MUCH worse in Canada for free speech and the "Red Tide". So he's basically busy keeping Canada a free and prosperous country. Don't you Cons count on him for saving ALL of North America. :auiqs.jpg:
     
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    If you Cons are looking for a Moses, I have the guy for you. He just won the primary in Primary in Mich to run against Debby Stabenow. He JUST MIGHT WIN... Check this guy out seriously. I've RARELY seen a candidate like this that can speak to the issues and understands America...

    Wish we could draft him for the Libertarian Party. But he's too much on the Trump Train right now.

    Trump calls John James 'future star' of GOP after Michigan Senate primary win
     
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    Yes, Peterson is not a partisan. But the act of thinking through issues provides a foundation for people like me who are looking for an intellectual basis for our case. You cannot read him without being forced to think. He crystallizes things that have been amorphous. In his definition of life he brings order to chaos, or rather he moves into the grey border between order and chaos. Anyone who dismisses this man as bullshit or an opportunist is just scared that he is right and they have nothing.
     
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    No offense shrimp but is this not backwards?

    You really should not be looking for intellectual foundations for your causes or beliefs. Rather those causes and beliefs should be based on intellectual foundations that are already set. IOW, the thinking should come before the cause, not the cause searching for the thinking.
     
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    I am not offended at all FAQ. It is a good question.

    For starters, up until about 10 years ago Americans were not under attack by the left the way they are today. I was not on a message board dueling with people of varying intellect. Secondly, Peterson spends all day thinking these things through. It has been almost 50 years since I was in college and I have not been in an environment conducive to intellectual discussion for many years, to put it mildly. The leftists have always had Marxist theory or Alinsky s rules for radicals as templates for their actions. Conservatives have never had an offense like the progressives. And I have always advocated for more offense like trump has used in his campaigns but I do not have the background or knowledge to fluently make my case on every issue.

    So to piontedly answer your question. Peterson hasn’t given me new views about social issues, he has given me new tools to argue about those issues. He has given me an offensive playbook. Now I am not saying this was his plan, he has been trying to sort his own life out in an honest and public way. I am just cribbing off of Peterson’s work, and I have nothing but awe for how articulate and profound, how deep, Peterson’s thinking is. Let me use the example I used in the opening post. Peterson says a moral man has to be a judgemental man, morality demands it. How succinct, how to the point, how short and sweet. So when a leftist says you shouldn’t judge people you simply say well if I don’t judge I can’t have a position vis a vis that person so our discussion becomes irrelevant. Let me give one more example. Peterson has compared leftist identity politics to terrorism. Terrorists in the Gaza Strip plant their offices and weapons in the middle of civilian homes to keep Israel from attacking and killing innocents. Progressives surround themselves in the same fashion with identity groups so you can’t attack them without going through black, women, or Muslims and causing casualties. Like the terrorists, the progressives don’t care about these groups, they just use them as human shields to keep them from having to engage directly with the enemy. How brilliant is this conception? It is off the charts. Peterson pops out these gems like the rest of us breath.

    Let me end with a modern metaphor. Think of me as a tesla going down the road(yeah right Shrimp) and my batteries need to be recharged. I have just stopped and plugged Jordan Peterson in. The car, the batteries haven’t changed, I just need more energy. Frankly this guy is so stimulating, my mind feels like it is going through an enlightenment, a Renaissance. I’m pumped.

    Peterson will be on fox next Sunday at 9.
     
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