Zone1 The Great False Equivalence of Black Racism

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A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:

If A is the set containing c and d, and B is the set containing d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal.


I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.

When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.

In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what is called contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?

Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349

The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
 
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No one on the face of the entire Earth has oppressed, enslaved, raped or slaughtered more black people than black people.

IM2 thinks the whole world revolves around white people. For someone as racist against white people as he is, his whole world view and historical understanding is limited to white people.
 
A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:




I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.

When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.

In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what iscalled contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?

Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349

The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
but it also applies to any other non white group.
only non-white groups?
 
A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:




I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.

When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.

In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what iscalled contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?

Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349

The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
Here’s another fallacy.

Pretending that your attempts to label things are accurate, honest or meaningful.

Since they aren’t (most often), your syllogisms almost all fail.
 
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Especially since it's just a lame social construct.....The operative part being con.
When it comes from certain racist members here, commentary about “racism” isn’t even remotely based in reality. It is entirely a partisan political agenda.

There is plenty of reason to want to discuss racism. It’s an evil. It’s like a disease deep inside the body politic.

But to mislabel so many things as constituting “racism” or being a symbol of “societal racism” absolutely denigrates the level of the discussion.

Why should it be “protected?” Such crap shouldn’t get Board protection. It should instead get fully exposed as the sophistry it is. In fact, the entire point of free speech has a lot to do with competition in a free market of ideas. Cream rises. The other crap? Not so much.
 
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When it comes from certain racist members here, commentary about “racism” isn’t any even remotely based in reality. It is entirely a partisan political agenda.

There is plenty of reason to want to discuss racism. It’s an evil. It’s like a disease deep inside the body politic.

But to mislabel so many things as constituting “racism” or being a symbol of “societal racism” absolutely denigrates the level of the discussion.

Why should it be “protected?” Such crap shouldn’t get Board protection. Or should instead get fully exposed as the sophistry it is. In fact, the entire point of free speech has a lot to do with competition in a free market of ideas. Cream rises. The other crap? Not so much.
Cream rises. The other crap? Not so much.
crap also floats
 
You guys can disagree all you want but until you live facing the racism, you really have no basis on which to do so.
 
A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:




I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.

When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.

In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what is called contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?

Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349

The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
Nice try to pretend blacks don't hate Whites.
But it is not ever going to happen until Democrats stop telling blacks they are victims as you keep doing.
 
You guys can disagree all you want but until you live facing the racism, you really have no basis on which to do so.
We face it daily. Notice the crimes in the cities? We sure do face it.
 
Nice try to pretend blacks don't hate Whites.
But it is not ever going to happen until Democrats stop telling blacks they are victims as you keep doing.
Here is an example of the denial of the historical recird. This thread is not about democrats telling us anything.
 
Actually it does. Blacks and whites have had different experiences and to try making things the same because you want to ignore or deny this fact is really not honest.
Blacks don't often jam racism down your throat. Yet they love whining about Whites.
 
Here is an example of the denial of the historical recird. This thread is not about democrats telling us anything.
Well they sure bring it up constantly. I see you denying blacks are racists. But hell, you are not white so you do not get the experiences we get from blacks.
 
Has something changed since 1954?



The dude looked really sharp in that hat.

I don't see any difference between black shopping habits and white shopping habits in that video. It's pretty condescending in tone, but I tend to buy name brands, look for quality merchandise and absolutely hate to have a salesman try to "bait and switch"" me or up sell me at time of purchase. I walked away from a Toyota dealer and bought a Buick because the Toyota dealer tried to "bait and switch" me at the last minute.
 
Well they sure bring it up constantly. I see you denying blacks are racists. But hell, you are not white so you do not get the experiences we get from blacks.
I'm black and the experience I give whites are due to what I have faced from whites. So what we see in your posts is the classic false equivalence. Blacks don't have a 404 year history of practicing racism against whites by using evey means to make certain whites were denied equal opportunity. So you're just trolling and really are not trying to contribute anything of substance to this discussion.
 

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