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Nice try.You validated my very eloquent posts here. You prove how racist you really are.
I know you would like to believe this simple minded assessment, but ignoring what people of color have faced to claim racism is disingenuous. There is also a psychological impact that gets ignored. I don't say these things to excuse the behavior, I say them so we can begin understanding exactly what systemic racism has caused.IM2, I do believe you are your own worst enemy when it comes to getting a point across.
Racists come in all colors, and a person is lying if they deny that simple fact.
Do you believe there are witches? Or Boogey men? You have a vivid imagination pal.Nice try.
I know you would like to believe this simple minded assessment, but ignoring what people of color have faced to claim racism is disingenuous. There is also a psychological impact that gets ignored. I don't say these things to excuse the behavior, I say them so we can begin understanding exactly what systemic racism has caused.
Racism is racism, IM2. You can try and convolute it all you want, but....it's racism.Nice try.
I know you would like to believe this simple minded assessment, but ignoring what people of color have faced to claim racism is disingenuous. There is also a psychological impact that gets ignored. I don't say these things to excuse the behavior, I say them so we can begin understanding exactly what systemic racism has caused.
Meister you can ignore all the factors you want to try coming to your simple minded conclusion, but that doesn't change the reality that such factors exist and until those like you begin to understand that such an assessment ignores the effects of what has been done and continues going on, the problem can't be solved.Racism is racism, IM2. You can try and convolute it all you want, but....it's racism.
No, but I believe what proofessionals in the firlds of psychology, medicine and sociology say about the impact of racism on people of color. And until you actually face it instead of being a participant, you will ignore the reaal damage created.Do you believe there are witches? Or Boogey men? You have a vivid imagination pal.
Meister you can ignore all the factors you want to try coming to your simple minded conclusion, but that doesn't change the reality that such factors exist and until those like you begin to understand that such an assessment ignores the effects of what has been done and continues going on, the problem can't be solved.
there’s none so blind as those who will not see.We face racism from you constantly.You guys can disagree all you want but until you live facing the racism, you really have no basis on which to do so.
You need to learn that just because you're white with an opinion that you're not the authority. I study this. I was paid as a professional to work on issues created by white racism and have written a book about racism. You're just a 72 year old right wing online loudmouth spewing baseless opinions. You are the blind one. What I say is backed with loads of study plus life experience. Yours is more than likely based on listening to white right wing loudmouths and a couple of sellouts.
You are no better than those you go after.
enjoy your thread, IM2
I agree that you may have psychological problems. That would explain your 8 years of posting the exact same message. Have you ever seen a counselor about your issues?I know you would like to believe this simple minded assessment, but ignoring what people of color have faced to claim racism is disingenuous. There is also a psychological impact that gets ignored. I don't say these things to excuse the behavior, I say them so we can begin understanding exactly what systemic racism has caused.
No. You do not. You face truth.We face racism from you constantly.
BullshitNo. You do not. You face truth.
What a well thought out response.Bullshit
A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:
False equivalence - Wikipedia
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I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.
When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.
In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what is called contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?
Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349
The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
More so than your replyWhat a well thought out response.
THose same people also abuse whites too. It isn't race it is power and pride.A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such:
False equivalence - Wikipedia
I use this to debate the claims of black racism being argued primarily by the right, but it also applies to any other non white group.
When it comes to issues of race and racism the use of false equivalences are prevalent in modern American society. The right wing chattering class has convinced their listeners that if someone black calls a white person white, that it is equal to using the n word and the over 240 years of derogatory comments/actions/laws/policies made by whites to deny equal rights and opportunity not only blacks, but to people of color in general.
In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what is called contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism. Given the record of racism by whites, we just cannot assume there are no whites who are racists. Blacks get called racists because we recognize American history’s information. Are we supposed to instinctively know which white person is a racist and which one is not? How do we identify this?
Irwin Katz, (1991). Gordon Allport’s “The Nature of Prejudice.” Political Psychology, 12(1), 125–157.https://doi.org/10.2307/3791349
The great false equivalence of black racism ignores the fact that you just can't substitute the word black for white and make things the same. The major problem with this opinion is that for the claim to be true or valid whites and blacks must have the same history. This has not been the case, whites have a history of oppressing people because they are not white, we have a history of being oppressed by whites. Therefore you can't just exchange the words white and black like everything has been the same. Then to expect that there will be no resentment from those who have faced white racism while whites can resent the fact that government made equal opportunity policies?
No I don't. Your argument ignores legislation at every level that gave whites power while excluding people of color. When you show me the same history of legislation created by blacks, then we can talk about black racism,. Right now whats called black racism is the angry response to the racism whites impose on us.THose same people also abuse whites too. It isn't race it is power and pride.
You strengthen your enemy by such silly arguing.
Many of those people just plain abuse other people. You take it for race but that is you not seeing what is in front of you
Some people are misanthropic bastards ,they have no race or gender or nationaliy restrictions on just plain getting their own way
History….you confuse it constantly with present day. Move onNo I don't. Your argument ignores legislation at every level that gave whites power while excluding people of color. When you show me the same history of legislation created by blacks, then we can talk about black racism,. Right now whats called black racism is the angry response to the racism whites impose on us.
In 1954, Gordon Alpert developed a theory of prejudice based on what is called contact hypothesis. To paraphrase what I learned in a very simple way is that prejudice comes from applying a broad brush to describe or stereotype an entire group of people based on a lack of information about that particular group. In America, we have information that shows 400 years of white racism.
