The Government and Universal Healthcare

[johnrocks]

Yes but they should have to get private insurance.

 

[Meister]

Yes but they should have to get private insurance.[/QUOT

I've worked for the for the government for 30 years, I do have private insurance in which they pay for a portion of it. I guess I just may not understand your question. Or, maybe you don't understand how it works. The politicians have their fully paid for high end insurance. I'm not sure how it works, though, I was just a peon.

 

[johnrocks]

Yes but they should have to get private insurance.[/QUOT

I've worked for the for the government for 30 years, I do have private insurance in which they pay for a portion of it. I guess I just may not understand your question. Or, maybe you don't understand how it works. The politicians have their fully paid for high end insurance. I'm not sure how it works, though, I was just a peon.

I think everyone should have private and portable high deductible health insurance that protects you from the cancers,heart attacks and other major illnesses and accidents, pay for the Doc visits , common colds and scrapped knees out of pocket. Health care would be much less expensive if everyone got away from third party payors,managed care and government insurance.

 

[Meister]

Yes but they should have to get private insurance.[/QUOT

I've worked for the for the government for 30 years, I do have private insurance in which they pay for a portion of it. I guess I just may not understand your question. Or, maybe you don't understand how it works. The politicians have their fully paid for high end insurance. I'm not sure how it works, though, I was just a peon.

I think everyone should have private and portable high deductible health insurance that protects you from the cancers,heart attacks and other major illnesses and accidents, pay for the Doc visits , common colds and scrapped knees out of pocket. Health care would be much less expensive if everyone got away from third party payors,managed care and government insurance.

Why high deductible? You don't want a person to be able to choose his deductible?? I don't understand what you mean by out of pocket? No insurance to pay for the visits, and colds?

 

[johnrocks]

I think everyone should have private and portable high deductible health insurance that protects you from the cancers,heart attacks and other major illnesses and accidents, pay for the Doc visits , common colds and scrapped knees out of pocket. Health care would be much less expensive if everyone got away from third party payors,managed care and government insurance.

Why high deductible? You don't want a person to be able to choose his deductible?? I don't understand what you mean by out of pocket? No insurance to pay for the visits, and colds?

you should have the freedom, just bear in mind that with that lower deductible or more benefits come higher cost, it's like choosing a base model Silverado or one with leather seats and Dolby Sound, it costs more. I choose high deductible, in the 5-7000 area and an HSA, this saves big bucks, check into it, I got links if interested.

 

[Ravi]

lol, Dave. It's YOUR body unless the YOUR is doing something DAVE doesn't approve of...and SOME government programs are okay, as long as DAVE approves of them.

 

[DiamondDave]

lol, Dave. It's YOUR body unless the YOUR is doing something DAVE doesn't approve of...and SOME government programs are okay, as long as DAVE approves of them.

Have I supported any stance where you cannot choose to do with your body as you will??

Nope... nice flailing attempt at a defeated argument, ravi

 

[Ravi]

lol, Dave. It's YOUR body unless the YOUR is doing something DAVE doesn't approve of...and SOME government programs are okay, as long as DAVE approves of them.

Have I supported any stance where you cannot choose to do with your body as you will??

Nope... nice flailing attempt at a defeated argument, ravi

A difference of opinion is not a defeated argument, Mr. Developmentally Challenged.

 

[Yukon]

A National Health care system is a Socialist conspiracy. Giving Banks and other Corporations trillions of taxpayer dollars is capitalism.

 

[editec]

A National Health care system is a Socialist conspiracy. Giving Banks and other Corporations trillions of taxpayer dollars is capitalism.

That's pretty funny.

The argument for single payer is its efficiency (if done correctly)

The argument against it is that the market WILL charge whatever the market will bear. (see how the cost of HC rose post medicade and medicare for the prime example of that)

 

[DiamondDave]

lol, Dave. It's YOUR body unless the YOUR is doing something DAVE doesn't approve of...and SOME government programs are okay, as long as DAVE approves of them.

Have I supported any stance where you cannot choose to do with your body as you will??

Nope... nice flailing attempt at a defeated argument, ravi

A difference of opinion is not a defeated argument, Mr. Developmentally Challenged.

Is your body public domain?

 

[Yukon]

The politicians have Universal Health Care Insurance and it is paid for by people like YOU many of whom can't afford their own insurance.

 

[Ravi]

Have I supported any stance where you cannot choose to do with your body as you will??

Nope... nice flailing attempt at a defeated argument, ravi

A difference of opinion is not a defeated argument, Mr. Developmentally Challenged.

Is your body public domain?

It depends. The government is obligated to protect it from foreign invaders...but otherwise, pretty much not.

 

[DiveCon]

A National Health care system is a Socialist conspiracy. Giving Banks and other Corporations trillions of taxpayer dollars is capitalism.

actually, BOTH are socialism
and i opposed BOTH

 

[Chris]

A National Health care system is a Socialist conspiracy. Giving Banks and other Corporations trillions of taxpayer dollars is capitalism.

actually, BOTH are socialism
and i opposed BOTH

What kind of insurance do you have?

 

[smb15]

A road is not your PERSONAL responsibility... Neither is the guiding of an airliner thru airspace.... Those are parts of INFRASTRUCTURE and done not just for the collective benefit of society, but to expand the power of the country

Whether you go get a colonoscopy, or a VD test, is on YOUR personal responsibility... it is YOUR body, not society's body... it is YOUR health, not society's health

Nobody is refused access to a public road or sidewalk or other things on PUBLIC land.. your BODY and your PERSONAL status is NOT FUCKING PUBLIC DOMAIN....

Again... you want specific care and coverage FOR YOUR SELF... YOU FUCKING PAY FOR It

Ignorant socialist ignorance

So if someone disagrees with you they're ignorant? Thats a good debate point!?

Just like a road, an effective police force and air safety measures; a effective healthcare system IS an infrastructure item. The ability of a society to ensure the health and viability of their citizens is DIRECTLY related to whether a society thrives or fails. As far as being socialism...pfft. A national healthcare system aids in capital markets it doesn't detract from it.

 

[Meister]

A road is not your PERSONAL responsibility... Neither is the guiding of an airliner thru airspace.... Those are parts of INFRASTRUCTURE and done not just for the collective benefit of society, but to expand the power of the country

Whether you go get a colonoscopy, or a VD test, is on YOUR personal responsibility... it is YOUR body, not society's body... it is YOUR health, not society's health

Nobody is refused access to a public road or sidewalk or other things on PUBLIC land.. your BODY and your PERSONAL status is NOT FUCKING PUBLIC DOMAIN....

Again... you want specific care and coverage FOR YOUR SELF... YOU FUCKING PAY FOR It

Ignorant socialist ignorance

So if someone disagrees with you they're ignorant? Thats a good debate point!?

Just like a road, an effective police force and air safety measures; a effective healthcare system IS an infrastructure item. The ability of a society to ensure the health and viability of their citizens is DIRECTLY related to whether a society thrives or fails. As far as being socialism...pfft. A national healthcare system aids in capital markets it doesn't detract from it.

I guess your definition of infrastructure is the difference between a Capitalist, and a Socialist.

 

[DiveCon]

A National Health care system is a Socialist conspiracy. Giving Banks and other Corporations trillions of taxpayer dollars is capitalism.

actually, BOTH are socialism
and i opposed BOTH

What kind of insurance do you have?

nunya

 

[smb15]

A road is not your PERSONAL responsibility... Neither is the guiding of an airliner thru airspace.... Those are parts of INFRASTRUCTURE and done not just for the collective benefit of society, but to expand the power of the country

Whether you go get a colonoscopy, or a VD test, is on YOUR personal responsibility... it is YOUR body, not society's body... it is YOUR health, not society's health

Nobody is refused access to a public road or sidewalk or other things on PUBLIC land.. your BODY and your PERSONAL status is NOT FUCKING PUBLIC DOMAIN....

Again... you want specific care and coverage FOR YOUR SELF... YOU FUCKING PAY FOR It

Ignorant socialist ignorance

So if someone disagrees with you they're ignorant? Thats a good debate point!?

Just like a road, an effective police force and air safety measures; a effective healthcare system IS an infrastructure item. The ability of a society to ensure the health and viability of their citizens is DIRECTLY related to whether a society thrives or fails. As far as being socialism...pfft. A national healthcare system aids in capital markets it doesn't detract from it.

I guess your definition of infrastructure is the difference between a Capitalist, and a Socialist.

When you have something that is vital for both the commercial success, stability of, security of and overall success of a society then it is natural for the society, as a whole, to ensure that that something is managed well. The government, being the only entity directly representative and accountable to the society, is the best agent for this management. This is not socialist. I support a single payer national healthcare system because I am a capatilist. In order for our capital markets to be competitive, stable with a vital, able workforce a national healthcare system is a necessity. I believe a single payer system with either a public trust NGO non-profit or the government itself managing the system is the best, most manageable and most responsive to the public and therefore the best entity to manage such a system. I support national healthcare precisely because I am a capitalist not because I am a socialist.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So if someone disagrees with you they're ignorant? Thats a good debate point!?

Just like a road, an effective police force and air safety measures; a effective healthcare system IS an infrastructure item. The ability of a society to ensure the health and viability of their citizens is DIRECTLY related to whether a society thrives or fails. As far as being socialism...pfft. A national healthcare system aids in capital markets it doesn't detract from it.

I guess your definition of infrastructure is the difference between a Capitalist, and a Socialist.

When you have something that is vital for both the commercial success, stability of, security of and overall success of a society then it is natural for the society, as a whole, to ensure that that something is managed well. The government, being the only entity directly representative and accountable to the society, is the best agent for this management. This is not socialist. I support a single payer national healthcare system because I am a capatilist. In order for our capital markets to be competitive, stable with a vital, able workforce a national healthcare system is a necessity. I believe a single payer system with either a public trust NGO non-profit or the government itself managing the system is the best, most manageable and most responsive to the public and therefore the best entity to manage such a system. I support national healthcare precisely because I am a capitalist not because I am a socialist.

Are you saying you want a national healthcare system like the UK's national health service or a national health insurance system like Canada's?