The final desperate battle cry of the liberal - "We have woads!"

[P@triot]

• Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776. And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England. And yet all we did was thrive into the most prosperous nation in world history. It was businesses, without roads or government that paid the taxes which built the roads that you now obsess over like children with Down Syndrome!

If you want to go back a little further Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World with a government handout from the King and Queen of Spain. You just go right on believing in Power of Self-Reliance and the Republican party will protect you from all those scary Washington socialists. How about this? Next time a Republican asks for a donation tell them to get a job!

Once again you defeat yourself with your own argument. We broke away from government - so obviously we weren't too impressed with thier "contributions". And when we did, we had no government and no roads. Yet somehow we became the most prosperous nation in world history.

You also defeat yourself with the "Republican Party will protect you" crap because the Republican Party is government. Unlike you, I don't need (nor do I want) government providing for me. I want them to adhere to the US Constitution. Something that will never happen as long as the idiot liberal is invovled with government.

 

[grunt11b]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

 

[rightwinger]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate. We tried that before Ike and ended up with a hodgepodge of interconnected roads. Pure bedlam to drive anywhere

 

[kaz]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate

So the ... Eisenhower ... Interstate highway system building roads which ... are ... in the Constitution as a Federal power is a reason to elect Democrats to spend trillions building a social welfare state which isn't in the Constitution.

Makes as much sense as you calling yourself "rightwinter" ...

 

[rightwinger]

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate

So the ... Eisenhower ... Interstate highway system building roads which ... are ... in the Constitution as a Federal power is a reason to elect Democrats to spend trillions building a social welfare state which isn't in the Constitution.

Makes as much sense as you calling yourself "rightwinter" ...

Social welfare is perfectly within the realm of the Constitution.

Can you point to a single case where it was ruled unconstitutional?

 

[kaz]

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate

So the ... Eisenhower ... Interstate highway system building roads which ... are ... in the Constitution as a Federal power is a reason to elect Democrats to spend trillions building a social welfare state which isn't in the Constitution.

Makes as much sense as you calling yourself "rightwinter" ...

Social welfare is perfectly within the realm of the Constitution.

Can you point to a single case where it was ruled unconstitutional?

It's a direct violation of the 10th amendment. Check and mate, Mate.

 

[Katzndogz]

Reagan's big problem with immigration is that democrats were lying and he believed them. It was supposed to be a one time thing with employers required to comply with EVerify.

If employers were required to verify citizenship, landlords prohibited from renting to illegals, schools required to turn students in, emergency rooms prohibited from everything but the most basic care, sure a temporary amnesty would work. Democrats were lying when they said it would be one time and they knew it.

 

[rightwinger]

So the ... Eisenhower ... Interstate highway system building roads which ... are ... in the Constitution as a Federal power is a reason to elect Democrats to spend trillions building a social welfare state which isn't in the Constitution.

Makes as much sense as you calling yourself "rightwinter" ...

Social welfare is perfectly within the realm of the Constitution.

Can you point to a single case where it was ruled unconstitutional?

It's a direct violation of the 10th amendment. Check and mate, Mate.

Which case ruled that?

Or is it just your opinion?

Check and mate

 

[kaz]

Social welfare is perfectly within the realm of the Constitution.

Can you point to a single case where it was ruled unconstitutional?

It's a direct violation of the 10th amendment. Check and mate, Mate.

Which case ruled that?

Or is it just your opinion?

Check and mate

What are the first three words of the Constitution?

I think it's "We The People" and you think it's "We the Lawyers."

And even funner is your view that government said that government can do those things, so check and mate.

 

[rightwinger]

It's a direct violation of the 10th amendment. Check and mate, Mate.

Which case ruled that?

Or is it just your opinion?

Check and mate

What are the first three words of the Constitution?

I think it's "We The People" and you think it's "We the Lawyers."

And even funner is your view that government said that government can do those things, so check and mate.

Government does do those things and has been doing so for 75 years. Not a single case found it in violation of the tenth amendment

As a US Citizen, you are welcome to challenge the Constitutionality. Until such time it is well within the scope of the Constitution

Check Mate and Bitch Slap

 

[P@triot]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate. We tried that before Ike and ended up with a hodgepodge of interconnected roads. Pure bedlam to drive anywhere

Oh well... Making the case that it's ok for the federal government to unconstitutionally get involved because local government "can't afford it" is like saying rape is ok if you want a girl and she's not interested.

 

[HUGGY]

• I drive nearly every day on unpaved, dirt paths. It doesn't effect my day in any capacity whether it's dirt or pavement and the idiot liberal has been incapable so far in explaining their obsession with pointing out "roads" as an excuse for their socialism.
  
  
• Liberals sound like children with Down Syndrome. "We have woads". Ok? Good. Good. But what does that have to do with a businesses success? "We have woads". Yes, I know we do. But what difference does that make? "We have woads". Look - your defeating yourself here. Since everybody has access to those same roads, wouldn't everybody be successful multi-millionaire business owners if roads had anything to do with anything?!? "We have woads". Ugh!!! Go watch Barney. "Otay.... We have woads".
  
  
• Liberals can't even understand that roads are built by local government with local taxes while we're discussing the federal government. Their argument is so weak and pathetic, they can't even make one for the level of government we're discussing.
  
  
• Liberals also can't imagine being self-reliant. If government doesn't care for and coddle them like an infant, they fear they would die (and they probably would as lazy as they are). It's beyond their capacity to comprehend us conservatives that are self-reliant and will succeed out of sheer will, regardless of the circumstances. We would never let a little thing like no road stop our prosperity. We'd just drive right over the grass/dirt/rocks/etc. (gasp! imagine that?!?!?)
  
  
• Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776. And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England. And yet all we did was thrive into the most prosperous nation in world history. It was businesses, without roads or government that paid the taxes which built the roads that you now obsess over like children with Down Syndrome!

I know, I know....... "we have woads". That's all you can say and that is all you will respond with.

You "live" on a dirt road apparently a long way from paved roads?

Yet you have cable? wifi? telephone lines? How far from a fire hydrant? Sewer lines? Gas? Electric power?

What if your house catches on fire?

What if you invent something?

What if you travel to a foreign country and get detained?

Do you exchange your time for U S Dollars?

Do you eat ANYTHING that you do not grow yourself? What protects you from eating something poisonous?

So...you will never need to call a cop or bother anyone else with an unplanned visit to an emergency room?

Dirt woads are overwaited. Gravel roads are crap. Crushed shale with oiled pea gravel bare minimum.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

If I understand the OP, he's saying that everybody has the same access to the same roads and infrastructure, so the typical liberal excuse for their personal failure to achieve success is really a moot point. People who are driven to do well would do so regardless of whether roads were developed, or not.
As far as living in a place with more cows than liberal cattle, well, at least the cows earn their living and don't seek to rob me of mine.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You must have non-union workers. In union states, roads get finished up in a very reasonable amount of time.

Nah, it has everything to do with the government contract. Adding a unionized construction company only ensures further retardation after the fact. The government always finds a way to incentivize a company to do sloppy work. With a union you’re just incentivizing them to do slower sloppy work at higher cost to the taxpayer. With job security comes complacency. There is no need for me to preform if I know that it would cost my employer more to fire me than to keep my lazy ass working as the lone street sign holder next to the guys with their hands in their pockets at a construction site.

Nice propaganda piece, but states and local municipalities flip the bills for most roadwork, but can ask for funds when the government has them such as with the Obama stimulus. I saw quite a bit of highway improvement being done with signs saying to the extent "paid for by the US stimulus"

Also the unions have no "incentivize" to do slow work, they are paid by the job and most work I've seen gets done in a timely manner, often times with people working all night long the keep traffic closures to a minimum.

Sounds like to you right wing goons the answer to everything is to hire the illegals to do shotty work

Guess again. Union workers are paid hourly wages (at outrageous rates), including overtime. Union shops don't worry about cost overruns on government jobs, either. If the job isn't done on time and within the budget, what can be done? Road's gotta get finished and who must you hire, more union goons.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You must have non-union workers. In union states, roads get finished up in a very reasonable amount of time.

No sir, it's Memphis and they have to use union labor on interstates, it's takes em a loooong time. And how long is fast?

Fast is relative to the type of project. I remember when I lived in Chicago back in the early 90's they rebuilt an eight mile stretch of the Kennedy Expressway. It took three summers and seemed like they would never finish, but this is a ten to twelve lane expressway with one bridge after another, and they redid the entire expressway, tearing it completely apart an rebuilding from scratch including all new bridges. It was a massive project, and they kept both inbound and outbound traffic open the entire time. They also could only work in the warmer months. Most normal repaving projects only take a few months. Many times it just seems like it takes forever because in many states, they can only work during the warmer months and then it seems like there is construction everywhere. When I lived in Colorado, they rebuilt I-25. I can't remember how long it took, it was two to three years also, but they did all the work at night and the roads were open during the daytime.

LOL! That's so true here that we claim three seasons, Winter, Breakup, and Road Construction.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Not everyone wants to live like yokels driving on dirt roads in rusted pickups and farmalls bitching about "da libs" as an excuse for their miserable existence in towns with more cows than people.

Some people like things such as infrastructure, paved "woads", highways, modern transportation systems, and other things the rest of the developed world has.

The issue isn't whether you like roads. The issue is whether the federal government is entitled to a piece of a businessman's hide because it built the road. The answer to the later question is clearly "no."

Since businesses benifit more from our public infrastructure, they should pay for most of it.
Thye ability to inexpensively move goods and services is what makes business possible

Following that line of bullshit reasoning, since some elements of society use a greater amount of police and public welfare services, they should pay a corresponding proportion to that increased usage.

 

[editec]

Roads are something only socialist governments create?

I did not know that.

 

[Bfgrn]

• I drive nearly every day on unpaved, dirt paths. It doesn't effect my day in any capacity whether it's dirt or pavement and the idiot liberal has been incapable so far in explaining their obsession with pointing out "roads" as an excuse for their socialism.
  
  
• Liberals sound like children with Down Syndrome. "We have woads". Ok? Good. Good. But what does that have to do with a businesses success? "We have woads". Yes, I know we do. But what difference does that make? "We have woads". Look - your defeating yourself here. Since everybody has access to those same roads, wouldn't everybody be successful multi-millionaire business owners if roads had anything to do with anything?!? "We have woads". Ugh!!! Go watch Barney. "Otay.... We have woads".
  
  
• Liberals can't even understand that roads are built by local government with local taxes while we're discussing the federal government. Their argument is so weak and pathetic, they can't even make one for the level of government we're discussing.
  
  
• Liberals also can't imagine being self-reliant. If government doesn't care for and coddle them like an infant, they fear they would die (and they probably would as lazy as they are). It's beyond their capacity to comprehend us conservatives that are self-reliant and will succeed out of sheer will, regardless of the circumstances. We would never let a little thing like no road stop our prosperity. We'd just drive right over the grass/dirt/rocks/etc. (gasp! imagine that?!?!?)
  
  
• Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776. And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England. And yet all we did was thrive into the most prosperous nation in world history. It was businesses, without roads or government that paid the taxes which built the roads that you now obsess over like children with Down Syndrome!

I know, I know....... "we have woads". That's all you can say and that is all you will respond with.

Funny how the federal government takes from the 51% who pay taxes, invests their money in roads, then has the nerve to scorn the very people who paid for them; as if the 49% who don’t pay taxes paid for those federal roads. This is classic Barack Obama socialist workers of the world unite rhetoric. In Obama’s populist socialist mind, the worker holds true title to the ownership of businesses, corporations, and factories. Not the investors, not the business owners, and not the inventors, but the workers. Not the men who take all the risk, putting their finances and livelihood on the line and working the long hours to ensure that its managed properly, but the common worker who lacks the talent, the drive to save up for his own business, and the knowledge, else he would already have a business of his own. Not the owner of a business who doesen''t hold himself to the work/saftey regulations that he holds for his employees.But the worker, who, in Obama's mind has the right to collectivly make demands of pay, horurs, and benefits to the business owner as if they owned it without being fired. We are all equal in an Obama world where no one man is more exceptional than another. Where intelligence and experience has no weight and egalitarianism wins the day. Where the hardest workers are no better than the laziest worker. Where the lazy worker must be given the same advancement as the hardest worker. Where those who pay for the roads are ridiculed for using the roads they paid for. It is truly an Obama world.

What an ignorant rant. Infrastructure is paid for by gas taxes and tolls. Take a civics course you fucking moron.

 

[rightwinger]

Then have your local government take care of that problem for you and leave the rest of us tax payers alone.

Local governments cant afford ten miles of interstate. We tried that before Ike and ended up with a hodgepodge of interconnected roads. Pure bedlam to drive anywhere

Oh well... Making the case that it's ok for the federal government to unconstitutionally get involved because local government "can't afford it" is like saying rape is ok if you want a girl and she's not interested.

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense other than you have some kind of rape fantasy

 

[Bfgrn]

• I drive nearly every day on unpaved, dirt paths. It doesn't effect my day in any capacity whether it's dirt or pavement and the idiot liberal has been incapable so far in explaining their obsession with pointing out "roads" as an excuse for their socialism.
  
  
• Liberals sound like children with Down Syndrome. "We have woads". Ok? Good. Good. But what does that have to do with a businesses success? "We have woads". Yes, I know we do. But what difference does that make? "We have woads". Look - your defeating yourself here. Since everybody has access to those same roads, wouldn't everybody be successful multi-millionaire business owners if roads had anything to do with anything?!? "We have woads". Ugh!!! Go watch Barney. "Otay.... We have woads".
  
  
• Liberals can't even understand that roads are built by local government with local taxes while we're discussing the federal government. Their argument is so weak and pathetic, they can't even make one for the level of government we're discussing.
  
  
• Liberals also can't imagine being self-reliant. If government doesn't care for and coddle them like an infant, they fear they would die (and they probably would as lazy as they are). It's beyond their capacity to comprehend us conservatives that are self-reliant and will succeed out of sheer will, regardless of the circumstances. We would never let a little thing like no road stop our prosperity. We'd just drive right over the grass/dirt/rocks/etc. (gasp! imagine that?!?!?)
  
  
• Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776. And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England. And yet all we did was thrive into the most prosperous nation in world history. It was businesses, without roads or government that paid the taxes which built the roads that you now obsess over like children with Down Syndrome!

I know, I know....... "we have woads". That's all you can say and that is all you will respond with.

Hey turds for brains, even your beloved US Chamber of Commerce thinks you have turds for brains.

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• Energy: Successful construction of the 351 energy projects identified in the Project No Project inventory could produce a $1.1 trillion short-term boost to the economy and create 1.9 million annual jobs.

• Telecommunications: Making broadband available everywhere in America will take up to $350 billion.

• Water: 1.7 trillion gallons are lost annually via water distribution systems, costing $2.6 billion annually.

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