The Executive Director of New Jersey Pride GETS IT

[PaintMyHouse]

Mac...

I agree with the woman as well. She made perfect sense.

The question I have for you......for the umpteenth time unanswered.....is:

What is YOUR plan to change hearts and minds and how long should those who are discriminated against have to wait for their equal rights?

Earmuffs.

What is your plan, forced compliance?

Wouldn't be the first time, and it works...

 

[NYcarbineer]

No nasty, snarky, catty comments yet?

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Leave begging to the genuinely poor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why have any laws against discrimination?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Mac...

I agree with the woman as well. She made perfect sense.

The question I have for you......for the umpteenth time unanswered.....is:

What is YOUR plan to change hearts and minds and how long should those who are discriminated against have to wait for their equal rights?

Earmuffs.

What is your plan, forced compliance?

Of anti-discrimination laws? Absolutely.

It doesn't matter how long you protest of how loud....your desire to have your intolerance codified will not be realized. And it will no longer be accepted.

The nation has a pulse. Those who require positive public opinion for viability...such as TV networks and businesses.....have no choice but to pay attention to that pulse. We've plodded along slowly.......with nobody really forcing anybody to treat gay people equally.....for generations. That's because the pulse of the nation was not beating for action.

Now it is. The time has come. The tide has turned. And you whining bitches can't handle it. Your phony cries about being forced to so shit fall on deaf ears.....nationwide.

What Mac so foolishly sees as a glimmer of hope that he can have a few more decades of peaceful intolerance......is actually a sign that the PC acceptance of bigotry against gays is coming to a close.

And we are better off for it.

 

[Freewill]

Mac...

I agree with the woman as well. She made perfect sense.

The question I have for you......for the umpteenth time unanswered.....is:

What is YOUR plan to change hearts and minds and how long should those who are discriminated against have to wait for their equal rights?

Earmuffs.

What is your plan, forced compliance?

Of anti-discrimination laws? Absolutely.

It doesn't matter how long you protest of how loud....your desire to have your intolerance codified will not be realized. And it will no longer be accepted.

The nation has a pulse. Those who require positive public opinion for viability...such as TV networks and businesses.....have no choice but to pay attention to that pulse. We've plodded along slowly.......with nobody really forcing anybody to treat gay people equally.....for generations. That's because the pulse of the nation was not beating for action.

Now it is. The time has come. The tide has turned. And you whining bitches can't handle it. Your phony cries about being forced to so shit fall on deaf ears.....nationwide.

What Mac so foolishly sees as a glimmer of hope that he can have a few more decades of peaceful intolerance......is actually a sign that the PC acceptance of bigotry against gays is coming to a close.

And we are better off for it.

Forced compliance, slavery is alive and well.

Who is to say that YOUR claim to moral superiority is correct? You? On what morality do you place your beliefs that you think you have the right to force upon everyone else? You have none, so this is the place where you try to borrow morality and say something like WWJD.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Mac...

I agree with the woman as well. She made perfect sense.

The question I have for you......for the umpteenth time unanswered.....is:

What is YOUR plan to change hearts and minds and how long should those who are discriminated against have to wait for their equal rights?

Earmuffs.

What is your plan, forced compliance?

Of anti-discrimination laws? Absolutely.

It doesn't matter how long you protest of how loud....your desire to have your intolerance codified will not be realized. And it will no longer be accepted.

The nation has a pulse. Those who require positive public opinion for viability...such as TV networks and businesses.....have no choice but to pay attention to that pulse. We've plodded along slowly.......with nobody really forcing anybody to treat gay people equally.....for generations. That's because the pulse of the nation was not beating for action.

Now it is. The time has come. The tide has turned. And you whining bitches can't handle it. Your phony cries about being forced to so shit fall on deaf ears.....nationwide.

What Mac so foolishly sees as a glimmer of hope that he can have a few more decades of peaceful intolerance......is actually a sign that the PC acceptance of bigotry against gays is coming to a close.

And we are better off for it.

Forced compliance, slavery is alive and well.

Who is to say that YOUR claim to moral superiority is correct? You? On what morality do you place your beliefs that you think you have the right to force upon everyone else? You have none, so this is the place where you try to borrow morality and say something like WWJD.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! They think they are morally superior!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

The jokes on them! They don't have any morality! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

 

[IsaacNewton]

"The Rules of Conservative Correctness"

1) if anyone disagrees with you, they are a "Democrat."

2) if anyone argues with you, they are a "Liberal."

3) if they argue with you and actually present data (formerly known as
"debating"), shrug it off as "propaganda from the Liberal Media."

4) if you cannot rebut the argument pick on details such as
misspellings, improper punctuation or taglines.

5) If your opponent has an unrefutable argument, change the subject.

6) if your opponent consistently overturns your "correct" stories (anything
told by Rush Limbaugh), use ad hominem attacks.

7) anyone who puts life over profits is a "tree hugger."

8) anyone who refutes or debates "correct" science (Creationism, Ecological
Stability) is a "sky-is-falling" reactionary.

9) anyone who opposes the melding of religion and government is one of the
"liberals" who helped create the rampant immorality today.

10) any federal program created by a Democrat, or that "looks" Democratic is
"socialistic."

11) dismantling programs and restrictions on spending then sending the money
to states as a "block grant" is better than having a standardized Federal
program with rules.

12) giving tax money to People is "enslaving them," giving tax money to
Corporations is "making jobs."

13) anything that does not turn a profit for private corporations is "an
elitist" operation.

14) always take everything personally.

15) whatever your weakness is, blame it on your opponent.

16) the more narrow and prejudiced your sources, the more you project that
onto your opponent.

17) when your opponent attacks a Republican/conservative President's
policies, blame them on a Democratic Congress (or vice versa).

18) when quoting your opponent, edit his words to conform to "correctness."

19) anyone who reads anything beyond "the Limbaugh Letter" is an "ivory
tower intellectual."

20) when all else fails, lie.

ref

When an arrow hits the bulls-eye, its a great shot. When the next arrow strikes the first and splits it in two, it is the shot of a master marksman. When arrow after arrow hits spot on center and splits each arrow before it, you can only call it the illuminating.

This basically exposes the constant use of lies and fallacies that conservatives use to 'seem' like they have an argument when all they have is emotion based on falsehood.

 

[Syriusly]

Wow, good for her. She gets it. I hope that she'd invite me to her wedding.

No doubt she'll be a target of the PC Police for this, maybe lose her job:

Why I Support No Gays Allowed C.J. Prince

Frankly, I've had it with the narcissistic assumption that gay folks are dying to get into any straight club that doesn't want them. So let me be clear about a few things: I do not want to order a wedding cake from a bakery owned by a guy who thinks I'm going to hell. I have no desire to purchase bouquets from a florist who pickets Pride parades. I wouldn't serve pizza at a wedding if the owner paid me and offered to serenade my guests with an a cappella version of "Born This Way." And finally, the suggestion that I would be insane enough to want to force a homophobic clergyperson to preside over my most sacred day is beyond insulting. I'm a lesbian who was raised Orthodox Jewish and even I am not that self-hating.

So I say to Amyx and others of his ilk, be blunt. If your message is "No Gays Allowed," then put it out there, loud and proud. Let me know you don't want me in your store, and I'll steer clear. And please, hang similar signage if you dream of excluding Jews, African-Americans or any other minority group, because that will likewise inform my decisions as a consumer.

And my point exactly here:

The real problem I have is with all those underground haters. The ones who don't have a sign out front, yet silently seethe about my "lifestyle," who happily take my money and then give it to the National Organization for Marriage or the Family Research Council or some other group that will use it to try to strip me of my civil rights.

More and more lefties are showing some spine. Looks like I've been ahead of the curve.

.

She makes a good argument- letting people put up signs saying "No N*ggers" allowed or "No Jews, Dogs or Indians" allowed does allow the public to weigh in.

And she is right- the real problem is with the underground haters- the ones who happily take her money, while contributing to anti-gay hate groups.

 

[Silhouette]

A little momentum, here and there, I'll take it.

We can't heal wounds until the liars and narcissists on both ends are culturally marginalized.

Nice to be ahead of the curve, I knew I was.

.

And how long do you think this bandaide is going to last to keep the severed artery of Christians under legal attack by the cult of LGBT from blowing through into a SCOTUS case?

The gays are already suing the Church of England to perform gay weddings, and with 100% certainty they will be doing that here too.

 

[Plasmaball]

A little momentum, here and there, I'll take it.

We can't heal wounds until the liars and narcissists on both ends are culturally marginalized.

Nice to be ahead of the curve, I knew I was.

.

And how long do you think this bandaide is going to last to keep the severed artery of Christians under legal attack by the cult of LGBT from blowing through into a SCOTUS case?

The gays are already suing the Church of England to perform gay weddings, and with 100% certainty they will be doing that here too.

you dont even know why they are suing. Sigh.....what is the official church of america? Ill wait.

 

[Plasmaball]

anyways if you want to own a business in america you need to follow certain rules in order to sell to the public. You dont like it? have PA laws repealed from the federal level on down. Till then just sell the damn product.

 

[mdk]

The author of the opinion piece is spot on. The problem is that nobody wants to get rid of PA laws, at all. There isn't a push to get rid of them and that is where we should focus our energy.

 

[Coyote]

If someone wants to discrimminate I have no problem with it as long as it is CLEARLY posted so I can be an informed consumer. But...they don't want to do that do they?

 

[Mac1958]

Wow, good for her. She gets it. I hope that she'd invite me to her wedding.

No doubt she'll be a target of the PC Police for this, maybe lose her job:

Why I Support No Gays Allowed C.J. Prince

Frankly, I've had it with the narcissistic assumption that gay folks are dying to get into any straight club that doesn't want them. So let me be clear about a few things: I do not want to order a wedding cake from a bakery owned by a guy who thinks I'm going to hell. I have no desire to purchase bouquets from a florist who pickets Pride parades. I wouldn't serve pizza at a wedding if the owner paid me and offered to serenade my guests with an a cappella version of "Born This Way." And finally, the suggestion that I would be insane enough to want to force a homophobic clergyperson to preside over my most sacred day is beyond insulting. I'm a lesbian who was raised Orthodox Jewish and even I am not that self-hating.

So I say to Amyx and others of his ilk, be blunt. If your message is "No Gays Allowed," then put it out there, loud and proud. Let me know you don't want me in your store, and I'll steer clear. And please, hang similar signage if you dream of excluding Jews, African-Americans or any other minority group, because that will likewise inform my decisions as a consumer.

And my point exactly here:

The real problem I have is with all those underground haters. The ones who don't have a sign out front, yet silently seethe about my "lifestyle," who happily take my money and then give it to the National Organization for Marriage or the Family Research Council or some other group that will use it to try to strip me of my civil rights.

More and more lefties are showing some spine. Looks like I've been ahead of the curve.

.

She makes a good argument- letting people put up signs saying "No N*ggers" allowed or "No Jews, Dogs or Indians" allowed does allow the public to weigh in.

And she is right- the real problem is with the underground haters- the ones who happily take her money, while contributing to anti-gay hate groups.

That's why shutting people up and intimidating them is ultimately counterproductive.

In fact, it makes things worse by increasing animosities.

.

 

[Mac1958]

A little momentum, here and there, I'll take it.

We can't heal wounds until the liars and narcissists on both ends are culturally marginalized.

Nice to be ahead of the curve, I knew I was.

.

And how long do you think this bandaide is going to last to keep the severed artery of Christians under legal attack by the cult of LGBT from blowing through into a SCOTUS case?

The gays are already suing the Church of England to perform gay weddings, and with 100% certainty they will be doing that here too.

This is all going to depend on whether they can be gracious winners and ease up on the throttle.

Live and let live.

I agree, early indications aren't very good.

.

 

[The Rabbi]

A little momentum, here and there, I'll take it.

We can't heal wounds until the liars and narcissists on both ends are culturally marginalized.

Nice to be ahead of the curve, I knew I was.

.

And how long do you think this bandaide is going to last to keep the severed artery of Christians under legal attack by the cult of LGBT from blowing through into a SCOTUS case?

The gays are already suing the Church of England to perform gay weddings, and with 100% certainty they will be doing that here too.

This is all going to depend on whether they can be gracious winners and ease up on the throttle.

Live and let live.

I agree, early indications aren't very good.

.

Gay community? Gracious? Getouttatown!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wow, good for her. She gets it. I hope that she'd invite me to her wedding.

No doubt she'll be a target of the PC Police for this, maybe lose her job:

Why I Support No Gays Allowed C.J. Prince

Frankly, I've had it with the narcissistic assumption that gay folks are dying to get into any straight club that doesn't want them. So let me be clear about a few things: I do not want to order a wedding cake from a bakery owned by a guy who thinks I'm going to hell. I have no desire to purchase bouquets from a florist who pickets Pride parades. I wouldn't serve pizza at a wedding if the owner paid me and offered to serenade my guests with an a cappella version of "Born This Way." And finally, the suggestion that I would be insane enough to want to force a homophobic clergyperson to preside over my most sacred day is beyond insulting. I'm a lesbian who was raised Orthodox Jewish and even I am not that self-hating.

So I say to Amyx and others of his ilk, be blunt. If your message is "No Gays Allowed," then put it out there, loud and proud. Let me know you don't want me in your store, and I'll steer clear. And please, hang similar signage if you dream of excluding Jews, African-Americans or any other minority group, because that will likewise inform my decisions as a consumer.

And my point exactly here:

The real problem I have is with all those underground haters. The ones who don't have a sign out front, yet silently seethe about my "lifestyle," who happily take my money and then give it to the National Organization for Marriage or the Family Research Council or some other group that will use it to try to strip me of my civil rights.

More and more lefties are showing some spine. Looks like I've been ahead of the curve.

.

She makes a good argument- letting people put up signs saying "No N*ggers" allowed or "No Jews, Dogs or Indians" allowed does allow the public to weigh in.

And she is right- the real problem is with the underground haters- the ones who happily take her money, while contributing to anti-gay hate groups.

That's why shutting people up and intimidating them is ultimately counterproductive.

In fact, it makes things worse by increasing animosities.

.

Who feels like it makes things worse? Who feels more animosity?

 

[eagle1462010]

Cause they know if a sign said I stand for traditional marriage was posted in a store that store would thrive without them.

View attachment 43811

to support your claim would be appreciated.

Crowds flock to Chick-fil-A to back anti-gay marriage view

I think you are either fooling yourself or being disingenuous if you think that America has changed because 5 old men and women, with at least two of them being homosexuals, changes the attitude of the people of this country.

http://www.all-fab.com/pdf/bcsi103.pdf
Highlights of Elena Kagan’s Record as Dean at Harvard Law School, 2003-2009 (documentation in following section):

• Kagan accelerated and legitimized the GLBT “rights” concept and law studies at Harvard Law School and in the larger community.
• Kagan recruited former ACLU lawyer (and former ACT-UP activist) William Rubenstein, an expert on "queer" legal issues. Few Americans can comprehend the radical nature of “queer” academics. Rubenstein described one of his courses as taking up “newer identities (bisexuality, trans, genderfuck)” as well as "polygamy, S&M, the sexuality of minors."
• Kagan promoted and facilitated the “transgender” legal agenda during her tenure at Harvard. In 2007, HLS offered a Transgender Law courseby “out lesbian” Professor Janet Halley and Dean Spade, a transsexual activist attorney. (Halley’s extremism and contempt for natural gender boundaries is illustrated by calling herself a “gay man.”) Kagan also brought in Cass Sunstein (Obama's regulatory czar, 2009-2012) who has written in support of free-for-all marriage relationships.
• Kagan encouraged Harvard students to get involved in homosexual activist legal work. At a time when she as Dean pushed students to engage in “public interest law” and to get “clinical” legal experience, the Harvard Law School established the LGBT Law Clinic. How could a "Justice Kagan" on the Supreme Court be impartial involving cases brought by “gay” legal activists — when she so openly advocated for homosexual legal goals and integrating homosexuality into legal studies and practice at Harvard?
• Kagan engaged in ongoing radical advocacy opposing “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” and demanding an end to the ban on homosexuals serving in the military. Her highly partisan actions are unbecoming of a future judge – especially one who would be called upon to adjudicate such weighty and divisive matters.
• Even after Kagan and Harvard lost their legal campaign to ban military recruiters and Harvard Law School was forced to let them back on campus, she encouraged ongoing student protests against them — deputizing the radical Lambda group to come up with ideas of how to harass the recruiters legally. Kagan’s actions blatantly disrespected our military and exposed her as the out-of-touch, socially leftist academic that she is.
• Kagan attended functions of radical homosexual (GLBT) groups at Harvard University, absorbing and apparently agreeing with their goals. She followed the wishes of campus homosexual organizations — within a month of meeting with a Harvard Law School GLBT student group, she was agreeing with their demand to ban military recruiters on campus. She moderated a panel on GLBT law at the Harvard Gay and Lesbian Caucus's 25th anniversary celebration in 2008.
• Radical “trans” activism at Harvard: Kagan’s active promotion of the GLBT agenda at Harvard likely accelerated the campus environment so “tolerant” of homosexuality and gender confusion that there was even a campaign (during her tenure) to make the campus “trans inclusive” — using Harvard’s “gender identity” non-discrimination policy (in place since 2006). This included discussions between GLBT student activists and the law school administration (i.e., Kagan) “to make our restrooms safe and accessible for people regardless of their gender identity or expression.” (Meaning, allowing men who identify as “women” to use female restrooms and locker rooms, etc.)
• Thanks in part to engagement by Kagan (and other administrators), Harvard has become so committed to radical transsexual activism that its health insurance policy now [2010] partially covers “sex-change” breast “treatments” for transsexuals (either men taking hormones to develop breasts, or women having their healthy breasts removed to become the “men” they believe they are). Where does Kagan stand on transgenderism and transsexuality and the law today? It's very possible this question will come before the courts as trans activists make their demands on government health care.
• Elena Kagan was a member of the Diversity Task Force of the ultra-leftist Boston Bar Association during the time of its activism in support of "gay marriage" and advocacy for "transgender rights." Clearly, she was in agreement with its support for radical GLBT "rights."

________________________________________________

The following is a more in-depth treatment of the pro-homosexuality and pro-transgender activism that took place during Kagan’s tenure as Dean of the Harvard Law School (2003-2009):

 

[eagle1462010]

A pro gay activist, Elana Kagan to give IMPARTIAL JUDGEMENT ON SSM.......

LOL

CBS during her confirmation stated Elana Kagan would be the 1st Openly Gay Justice of the Supreme Court..........Then later recanted.................

kagan - Pray In Jesus Name - Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt PhD

This site accuses her of being gay citing examples of why..............Is she a Lesbian...............perhaps the jury is still out, but there can be No question that her activities at Harvard were to the point of being a GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST.....................

And to Judge on a case with known Prejudices to one side is a mockery of Justice................She should have reclused herself of this case.....................

Brought up because I saw the gay issue in Free Wills Post.

 

[eagle1462010]

To the OP...............yes they should choose to do business elsewhere..................I agree.............and not file lawsuit after lawsuit to crush any dissent to their views......................

They will now via the Decision sue the hell out of anyone saying they refuse to agree with it for Religious beliefs just as the Justices who were against the decision said................