The Elements and Traditions of the Passover Seder Point to Christ

[theDoctorisIn]

Interesting OP.

Whether or not the racist tribalist Jews who mistakenly think God chose them for any other reason other than grace like it or not is what is irrelevant; the Christians are Jews, and it's that Jewish sect that keeps it alive and on track, not the nasty racist 'Orthodox' types who think they're some sort of 'master race' and entitled to rule the world or something. Those types are not even important in Jewish culture any more, they're around 10% or less at this point.

Jews are the master race, because they are Gods people.
It's why you and your haters spend so much time and energy on such a small fragment of the human race and a tiny strip of sand.

If Jews are "God's people", why are you trying to convert them to your religion?

Do you get a prize for converting them?

 

[deanrd]

Trump is the Golden Cow God warned Moses about.

Jesus is going to be pissed at what Right Wing GOP Christians have done. And in his name. Deplorable.

 

[Weatherman2020]

All Christians should attend a Seder meal, preferably held by a completed Jew who can explain the symbolism as I outline below. It is a meal that Jesus would have conducted every year.

A little background first. The Passover is when the Jewish slaves of Egypt put the blood of a lamb over their door so that death passed over the house that night as the final plague on Egypt so they would free the Jews.

The Passover Seder is a Jewish ritual feast that marks the beginning of the Jewish holiday of Passover. The elements are symbols of events with the purpose allowing each generation to remember what occurred in the time of Moses. The Hebrew word Seder means “order.” The Passover meal has a specific order in which food is eaten, prayers are recited, and songs are sung. Each item on the Passover plate has a specific historical meaning related to the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and their freedom from slavery. Most of the elements are historical, and some are messianic.

Passover is also the day Jesus was crucified.

One of the elements is the shank bone of a lamb to symbolize the placement of blood over the doors in Egypt. John 1:29, Jesus is the lamb of God. His blood saves all who accept Him.

The instructions for the original Passover specified that the lamb’s bones could not be broken, another foreshadowing of Christ’s death as the prophecy of the death of Jesus would not have his bones broken. (Crucifixion requires the use of the legs to fill the lungs with air. If they wanted to speed things along the legs of the person being crucified were broken. The two crucified with Jesus had their legs broken, Jesus was dead when they got to him. Then his side was pierced to make sure.)

Matzoh is unleavened bread to remember when the fleeing Jews did not have time to let the bread rise. It is flat, pierced, and striped as an end product.

Isaiah 53:5

But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Jesus was bruised, whipped and pierced.

Three matzoh are placed in a linen bag. Jews do not know why they place three in the bag. Christians recognize this as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are three pouches in the bag, one for each matzoh. The middle matzoh is broken in half. One half remains inside the bag, the other is wrapped in linin and hidden until the end of the meal. As stated earlier, no one knows why three. Some Jews believe they represent Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But they cannot explain why Isaac is broken. Christians recognize this as the broken body of Christ. The other half removed is wrapped in a linen cloth and hidden. Christians recognize this as the linen wrapped body placed into a tomb.

There are also four cups of wine used at various points during the Seder. Each of these glasses of wine has a name: the first glass is the “cup of sanctification.” The second is the “cup of judgment.” The third is the “cup of redemption.” And the fourth is the “cup of praise.” At the Last Supper Jesus took the first cup and promised His disciples that the next time He drank the fruit of the vine with them would be in the kingdom. Later in the Seder, Jesus took the third cup—the cup of redemption—and used that cup as a symbol of the New Covenant in His blood. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover symbolism and infused the whole feast with a new meaning.

At the end of the meal tradition has the children go and find the hidden half of matzoh. When it is found it is removed from the linen and the festivities can begin. Christians see this as the resurrection.

Are we even sure the Israelites were slaves in Egypt? Archeological digs in Palestine show that, except for the absence of pig bones, there are no obvious differences between them and other Canaanites and no evidence of destruction of cities, as mentioned in the Bible, found in the correct time period. I also noticed that the description of Haroset mentions the pyramids, despite the fact that they were already a thousand years old when the Israelites were supposed to have resided in Egypt.

Whether or not the stories are factually correct is irrelevant, for the most part.

There's no physical evidence that a man named Jesus ever existed, either.

No evidence other than numerous historical records.
Even Mohamed acknowledged Jesus existed, hate monger troll.

Interesting.

So, while you openly and unapologetically enjoy trolling other people's beliefs, criticizing your beliefs is apparently crossing a line.

What other double standards do you have, oh good Christian?

Troll, Christianity and Judaism are one of the same.
Stop trolling or get reported again.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

All Christians should attend a Seder meal, preferably held by a completed Jew who can explain the symbolism as I outline below. It is a meal that Jesus would have conducted every year.

A little background first. The Passover is when the Jewish slaves of Egypt put the blood of a lamb over their door so that death passed over the house that night as the final plague on Egypt so they would free the Jews.

The Passover Seder is a Jewish ritual feast that marks the beginning of the Jewish holiday of Passover. The elements are symbols of events with the purpose allowing each generation to remember what occurred in the time of Moses. The Hebrew word Seder means “order.” The Passover meal has a specific order in which food is eaten, prayers are recited, and songs are sung. Each item on the Passover plate has a specific historical meaning related to the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and their freedom from slavery. Most of the elements are historical, and some are messianic.

Passover is also the day Jesus was crucified.

One of the elements is the shank bone of a lamb to symbolize the placement of blood over the doors in Egypt. John 1:29, Jesus is the lamb of God. His blood saves all who accept Him.

The instructions for the original Passover specified that the lamb’s bones could not be broken, another foreshadowing of Christ’s death as the prophecy of the death of Jesus would not have his bones broken. (Crucifixion requires the use of the legs to fill the lungs with air. If they wanted to speed things along the legs of the person being crucified were broken. The two crucified with Jesus had their legs broken, Jesus was dead when they got to him. Then his side was pierced to make sure.)

Matzoh is unleavened bread to remember when the fleeing Jews did not have time to let the bread rise. It is flat, pierced, and striped as an end product.

Isaiah 53:5

But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Jesus was bruised, whipped and pierced.

Three matzoh are placed in a linen bag. Jews do not know why they place three in the bag. Christians recognize this as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are three pouches in the bag, one for each matzoh. The middle matzoh is broken in half. One half remains inside the bag, the other is wrapped in linin and hidden until the end of the meal. As stated earlier, no one knows why three. Some Jews believe they represent Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But they cannot explain why Isaac is broken. Christians recognize this as the broken body of Christ. The other half removed is wrapped in a linen cloth and hidden. Christians recognize this as the linen wrapped body placed into a tomb.

There are also four cups of wine used at various points during the Seder. Each of these glasses of wine has a name: the first glass is the “cup of sanctification.” The second is the “cup of judgment.” The third is the “cup of redemption.” And the fourth is the “cup of praise.” At the Last Supper Jesus took the first cup and promised His disciples that the next time He drank the fruit of the vine with them would be in the kingdom. Later in the Seder, Jesus took the third cup—the cup of redemption—and used that cup as a symbol of the New Covenant in His blood. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover symbolism and infused the whole feast with a new meaning.

At the end of the meal tradition has the children go and find the hidden half of matzoh. When it is found it is removed from the linen and the festivities can begin. Christians see this as the resurrection.

Are we even sure the Israelites were slaves in Egypt? Archeological digs in Palestine show that, except for the absence of pig bones, there are no obvious differences between them and other Canaanites and no evidence of destruction of cities, as mentioned in the Bible, found in the correct time period. I also noticed that the description of Haroset mentions the pyramids, despite the fact that they were already a thousand years old when the Israelites were supposed to have resided in Egypt.

Whether or not the stories are factually correct is irrelevant, for the most part.

There's no physical evidence that a man named Jesus ever existed, either.

No evidence other than numerous historical records.
Even Mohamed acknowledged Jesus existed, hate monger troll.

Interesting.

So, while you openly and unapologetically enjoy trolling other people's beliefs, criticizing your beliefs is apparently crossing a line.

What other double standards do you have, oh good Christian?

Troll, Christianity and Judaism are one of the same.
Stop trolling or get reported again.

Reported again? How terrifying.

No, Judaism and Christianity are not one and the same.

You can tell by the fact that no Jew would get all butthurt by me suggesting that Jesus may never have existed.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

Passover food is not exactly savory.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

With less flavor.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

With less flavor.

Very true.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

With less flavor.

Very true.

Matzoh was always my least favorite part of Passover.

 

[shimon]

The hidden joke is that Jews are commanded to not eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time of the year.. It is a commandment for every generation... That means Jesus who supposedly ROSE at this time is forbidden for all time.... If Christians truly followed this commandment then they would know their Jesus who claimed to be the bread of life was a Levening fool and so are they for partaking( eating of) this tall tale...After all you shall know them( Christians) by their FRUIT( teachings) which are fruity and without merit or sense...

 

[Meriweather]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

Passover food is not exactly savory.

Haroset is one of my favorite fruit concoctions.

 

[Meriweather]

The hidden joke is that Jews are commanded to not eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time of the year.. It is a commandment for every generation... That means Jesus who supposedly ROSE at this time is forbidden for all time.... If Christians truly followed this commandment then they would know their Jesus who claimed to be the bread of life was a Levening fool and so are they for partaking( eating of) this tall tale...After all you shall know them( Christians) by their FRUIT( teachings) which are fruity and without merit or sense...

Probably best if neither Christians nor Jews twist the beliefs of the other. Too much of what both speak of flies over the heads of the other.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Gotta have the Matzoh bread. Pretty much an unsalted Saltine.

Passover food is not exactly savory.

Haroset is one of my favorite fruit concoctions.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but it is one of my favorite parts of a seder.

That, and a well cooked brisket.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The hidden joke is that Jews are commanded to not eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time of the year.. It is a commandment for every generation... That means Jesus who supposedly ROSE at this time is forbidden for all time.... If Christians truly followed this commandment then they would know their Jesus who claimed to be the bread of life was a Levening fool and so are they for partaking( eating of) this tall tale...After all you shall know them( Christians) by their FRUIT( teachings) which are fruity and without merit or sense...

Probably best if neither Christians nor Jews twist the beliefs of the other. Too much of what both speak of flies over the heads of the other.

This is a wise point.

 

[shimon]

The hidden joke is that Jews are commanded to not eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time of the year.. It is a commandment for every generation... That means Jesus who supposedly ROSE at this time is forbidden for all time.... If Christians truly followed this commandment then they would know their Jesus who claimed to be the bread of life was a Levening fool and so are they for partaking( eating of) this tall tale...After all you shall know them( Christians) by their FRUIT( teachings) which are fruity and without merit or sense...

Probably best if neither Christians nor Jews twist the beliefs of the other. Too much of what both speak of flies over the heads of the other.

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

 

[Meriweather]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Whoever made mandatory Matzoh consumption a rule, must have been a sadist.

 

[shimon]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

 

[Marion Morrison]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

 

[Picaro]

Interesting OP.

Whether or not the racist tribalist Jews who mistakenly think God chose them for any other reason other than grace like it or not is what is irrelevant; the Christians are Jews, and it's that Jewish sect that keeps it alive and on track, not the nasty racist 'Orthodox' types who think they're some sort of 'master race' and entitled to rule the world or something. Those types are not even important in Jewish culture any more, they're around 10% or less at this point.

Jews are the master race, because they are Gods people.
It's why you and your haters spend so much time and energy on such a small fragment of the human race and a tiny strip of sand.

I'm not a 'hater', moron. You know nothing about Orthodox Jews or the Bible. they weren't chosen because of any racial superiority, and they cease being 'chosen' when they deviate from why they're 'chosen'. That is clear throughout the OT. And as I said, Christianity is a sect of Judaism.

 

[shimon]

You are calling the kettle black... It is Christianity that perverts and twists the belief system of Judiasm by trying to twist and turn and place their idol Jesus where he/ it does not belong..Making my point again. Since Jews are not supposed to eat or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. Then nothing FLIES over their heads because they are not allowed to have anything to do with it... Christianity however has its eyes turned upWORD because of a false delusion....

It is not my intent to call the kettle black. Nor is it the intent of the majority of Christians to pervert/twist Judaism. In many respects Jesus' Last Supper seems to be as much about the Bread of the Presence as it is about Passover. During this time, Jews are partaking in life, not death, in freedom not slavery. Christians, too, are partaking in life, not death, in freedom from sin as we resolve to be obedient to the will of God.

The last supper is more then likely a ripoff and borrowed from pagan lore from Babylon where twelve Godmen are eating at a table and a 13 th shows up... In order for the balance of 12 to be reinstated one of these godmen had to die .In the story of the gospels that of course was Jesus... . The number 13 was considered bad and un natural and in some cultures it was removed.That is why there are twelve months and 12 signs of the zodiac for example....You can still see this practise when going into some buildings where the 13 th floor is not counted and elevators go from 12 to 14 th floors not numbering the 13 th As 14.People should look these things up to enlighten themselves....If Christianity is trying to be obedient to god as you say then why are they breaking the commandment to eat of or partake of anything that RISES at this time.. You use the word Freedom freely without realizing that it is a double edged sword.. Everyone through their own choice is FREE to be DUMB and to Believe what they want to believe... It is only those that choose to learn and enlighten themselves and not SWALLOW down lies and follies that are FREE to understand who is in SIN and who is Still in DENILE... Hmmm...

Yeah, umm, ok.

That's a whole lot of rhetoric with zero references. Got anything more?

Is that the best you can do Marion.. We live in the computer age you have all the information at your fingertips... Have at it unless you are the type of guy that likes your bread store bought and packaged and are too lazy to get a bread machine and make it fresh for yourself...One could say the same for all the claims in the New Testament for your idol Jesus why it is almost as professional as the national enguirer.. It is about as believable as well.....