The Dominoes Are Falling

[GMCGeneral]

I don't want to be hyperbolic so as not to offend the board's conservatives but I think any realistic assessment of the state of the POT at the moment has to conclude it's a bit of a smoldering mess. My reasons for saying so requires zero insight or thoughtful analysis. House Repubs are in rudderless disarray and the presumptive nominee of the party for prez is fighting, on multiple fronts, to remain a free man.

The question is, what happens to America when its two party system is plagued by one of the parties suffering a self inflicted meltdown?

To be clear, it is unequivocally a good thing to see the wheels of justice begin to run over, as Cassidy Hutchison calls him, the most dangerous force against democracy in the country's history. It is becoming increasingly difficult for his faithful following to maintain the false narrative he is worthy of another presidency, or was worthy of being elected the first time. But they show no signs of abandoning him anyway. Because for reasons beyond my understanding they see him as their champion. Watching the rule of law chew him up isn't going to change their minds about him, it will make them more resentful than they already are.

Likewise, I see no signs of chaos agents like MTG and Matt Gaetz losing support among their constituents. These are not serious people. They are celebrities with enough power to cause real harm.

How the Right’s Purity Tests Are Haunting the House G.O.P.

Even as Mr. Trump was something new in Republican politics, he was also something familiar. Even before his rise, Republicans were much more susceptible than Democrats to nonserious presidential candidates running to increase their profile for media gigs, book sales and the like. Mr. Trump was this type of candidate on a much larger scale and, again, happened to actually win.

One way to look at it is that the very successful model that the commentator Ann Coulter forged in the world of conservative media — generate controversy and never, ever apologize — came to be replicated by candidates and officeholders.

Vivek Ramaswamy and Representative Matt Gaetz are creatures of politics for the sake of notoriety. It creates entirely different incentives from the traditional approach: Stoking outrage is good, blowing things up is useful, and it never pays to get caught doing the responsible thing.
Opinion | How the Right’s Purity Tests Are Haunting the House G.O.P.

BTW, the author of the piece is a conservative.

When one of the two major parties in the country is dysfunctional so is the country. This is not a situation that is sustainable. IMO, the solution has to come from the ground up. Meaning members of the POT need to go back to being members of the GOP. They need a philosophical anchor beyond grievance. They need to present a plan to solve the nation's problems that do not have a track record of failure. Perhaps more than anything they need to fact check what their chosen media sources are telling them. And it all needs to happen soon.

What you are saying is there needs to be just one party in the country. So I say FUCK OFF!! We need the GOP to stand ground and fight the enemy.

 

[Aldo Raine]

The problem is that the Republican voters are populists and the GOP is not.

It took GOP voters decades to figure that out and their answer was Trump

Without Trump they have no answer

If tRump is the answer that party is doomed.

 

[Lesh]

What you are saying is there needs to be just one party in the country. So I say FUCK OFF!! We need the GOP to stand ground and fight the enemy.

Wrong. Not one party BUT we need honesty and a return to sanity.

That can’t be found in the Party of Trump

 

[SeaMajor7]

Wrong. Not one party BUT we need honesty and a return to sanity.

That can’t be found in the Party of Trump

You think, I mean FEEL that the subverted Stalinist Democratic Party brings sanity?????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

 

[OldFlame]

What you are saying is there needs to be just one party in the country. So I say FUCK OFF!! We need the GOP to stand ground and fight the enemy.

Yes, they want to shove their views and standard of what they call 'morals' on everyone, they are no different than the so called 'religious right' that they accused of doing that very same thing. They're evil, they're hypocrites, and they're clueless, and it's pretty much a waste of time to even argue with them. The GOP isn't going to do anything, they've proven that time and time again, so counting on them for anything is a fool's errand as well. They're all bought and paid for, all corrupt. Most conservatives no longer have representation in this country, and actually neither do the rabid leftists on this board, but they're too stupid to realize it. They're just useful tools for the 'cause' and will be discarded just like others in history have been, when the time is right.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Trump is having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. And things are just getting rolling.

Mark Meadows has just flipped. No one was more involved in Trump's Big Lie than him. No one was more inside the conspiracy.

Mark Meadows Flips, Spills to Special Counsel About Trump’s Election Lies​

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One of Trump's lawyers has just pled guilty. And Trump can't deny she was his lawyer.

Jenna Ellis becomes latest Trump lawyer to plead guilty over efforts to overturn Georgia’s election​

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Ellis pleaded guilty to one felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings. She had been facing charges of violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, and soliciting the violation of oath by a public officer, both felonies.

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.


Ellis expects us to bleev she was too stupid to know it was all a Big Lie, which, if true, would make one wonder how she ever passed the bar exam.



And, of course, Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro, and Scott Hall have all flipped in the Georgia RICO case.

These insiders have documents and communications with Trump they must now turn over.




Meanwhile in New York, Michael Cohen is bringing the receipts of Trump's tax and insurance fraud.

Trump glowers as Cohen dishes​

Trump really shouldn't have tried to stiff Cohen out of the $130,000 he paid Stormy Daniels to affect the 2016 election outcome. And he shouldn't have throw his fixer under the bus.

Payback's a BITCH!



The madness of King Trump is starting to show. He said today he has not been indicted!

Stay tuned as more dominoes fall in rapid succession.

he's leading biden by at least 8 in swing states and double digits in others....lol..........please indict him again....lolol

you people are so fucking dumb

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

You think, I mean FEEL that the subverted Stalinist Democratic Party brings sanity?????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

this guy thought he was an expert on covid...............lololol.........he was wrong about every single thing...lolol

i've known this creature for decades.........nothing but a whining retired union mouthpiece without a pot to piss in

 

[Independentthinker]

Trump is having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. And things are just getting rolling.

Mark Meadows has just flipped. No one was more involved in Trump's Big Lie than him. No one was more inside the conspiracy.

Mark Meadows Flips, Spills to Special Counsel About Trump’s Election Lies​

​

One of Trump's lawyers has just pled guilty. And Trump can't deny she was his lawyer.

Jenna Ellis becomes latest Trump lawyer to plead guilty over efforts to overturn Georgia’s election​

​

Ellis pleaded guilty to one felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings. She had been facing charges of violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, and soliciting the violation of oath by a public officer, both felonies.

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.


Ellis expects us to bleev she was too stupid to know it was all a Big Lie, which, if true, would make one wonder how she ever passed the bar exam.



And, of course, Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro, and Scott Hall have all flipped in the Georgia RICO case.

These insiders have documents and communications with Trump they must now turn over.




Meanwhile in New York, Michael Cohen is bringing the receipts of Trump's tax and insurance fraud.

Trump glowers as Cohen dishes​

Trump really shouldn't have tried to stiff Cohen out of the $130,000 he paid Stormy Daniels to affect the 2016 election outcome. And he shouldn't have throw his fixer under the bus.

Payback's a BITCH!



The madness of King Trump is starting to show. He said today he has not been indicted!

Stay tuned as more dominoes fall in rapid succession.

You guys are so delusional it is pathetic. Meadows is willing to testify that Trump knew or was told the election was legitimate and yet Trump continued to claim the election was stolen. That's not a crime in any way, shape, or form. Democrats have done it repeatedly for decades.

 

[BlindBoo]

g....what are you going to do if your buddy beats this thing and gets 0 jail time?...just curious....

I think most Americans are willing to accept the jury's decisions on all his cases. I'm willing to bet that the Neo-GOP sycophants will not, and will keep screaming to high Heaven that the courts are corrupt.

 

[Care4all]

For decades the Republican law makers have blamed Democrats for all of their own deficiencies, in order to give their voters a reason to still support them. Dems have been their boogeyman, scape goat....their media, revels in it...and cashes in on it.

They do not know how to govern, It's why the Rs never accomplish anything when holding power, yet somehow it is not their own fault, but always the fault of democrats, or the deep state(democrats), or the free press(democrats) or the DOJ( always democrats in their heads) or the FBI(democrats), or the CIA (democrats)..... Always always always, the fault of democrats. Democrats are who they should hate! 24/7, 365.

Look at them now....total non functioning, disarray.... and they tried to blame democrats for not coming to their rescue with McCarthy.....

You can't believe in democracy, and can't have a democracy, if you are not willing to accept a loss....gracefully.

Democracy and Republics of the people, rely on winners and losers, of the people....to be a normal part of the process accepted by all, no matter how disappointed in the end, one may be....you always have the next election to work towards winning!

 

[Harry Dresden]

For decades the Republican law makers have blamed Democrats for all of their own deficiencies, in order to give their voters a reason to still support them. Dems have been their boogeyman, scape goat....their media, revels in it...and cashes in on it.

They do not know how to govern, It's why the Rs never accomplish anything when holding power, yet somehow it is not their own fault, but always the fault of democrats, or the deep state(democrats), or the free press(democrats) or the DOJ( always democrats in their heads) or the FBI(democrats), or the CIA (democrats)..... Always always always, the fault of democrats. Democrats are who they should hate! 24/7, 365.

Look at them now....total non functioning, disarray.... and they tried to blame democrats for not coming to their rescue with McCarthy.....

You can't believe in democracy, and can't have a democracy, if you are not willing to accept a loss....gracefully.

Democracy and Republics of the people, rely on winners and losers, of the people....to be a normal part of the process accepted by all, no matter how disappointed in the end, one may be....you always have the next election to work towards winning!

Care they say the same shit about each other.....they are traitors,they are destroying the country....we are this,you are that.....they are the same type of people and dont even know it....

 

[BackAgain]

Trump is having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. And things are just getting rolling.

Mark Meadows has just flipped. No one was more involved in Trump's Big Lie than him. No one was more inside the conspiracy.

Mark Meadows Flips, Spills to Special Counsel About Trump’s Election Lies​

​

One of Trump's lawyers has just pled guilty. And Trump can't deny she was his lawyer.

Jenna Ellis becomes latest Trump lawyer to plead guilty over efforts to overturn Georgia’s election​

​

Ellis pleaded guilty to one felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings. She had been facing charges of violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, and soliciting the violation of oath by a public officer, both felonies.

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.


Ellis expects us to bleev she was too stupid to know it was all a Big Lie, which, if true, would make one wonder how she ever passed the bar exam.



And, of course, Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro, and Scott Hall have all flipped in the Georgia RICO case.

These insiders have documents and communications with Trump they must now turn over.




Meanwhile in New York, Michael Cohen is bringing the receipts of Trump's tax and insurance fraud.

Trump glowers as Cohen dishes​

Trump really shouldn't have tried to stiff Cohen out of the $130,000 he paid Stormy Daniels to affect the 2016 election outcome. And he shouldn't have throw his fixer under the bus.

Payback's a BITCH!



The madness of King Trump is starting to show. He said today he has not been indicted!

Stay tuned as more dominoes fall in rapid succession.

Bullshit OP.

Whether Meadows does ultimately “flip” is a very different question than whether he already has. So far, he has not.

He did get some immunity for speaking with the Special Persecutor. But that isn’t a plea deal. And Special Persecutor Smith may not be inclined to make use of Meadows after the immunized chat.

 

[Chillicothe]

"Meadows is willing to testify that Trump knew or was told the election was legitimate and yet Trump continued to claim the election was stolen. That's not a crime in any way, shape, or form."

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A couple major things wrong with such a statement as 'Thinker' makes above.

If Trump knew the Biden election was legitimate and then did what he did with the lawyers who have now plead guilty....well, that goes to his 'intent'.

And his 'intent' in this case is critical. He knew it was wrong to call Raffensberger, he knew it was wrong to launch this fraudulent elector scheme, he knew his insistent pronouncements that it was 'stolen' were wrong. He clearly, and manifestly, intended to deceive, because he knew otherwise. He intended to subvert our electoral process.

And what we got because of his criminal intent....were those fraudulent electors in Georgia, in Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, and 4 other states*. And, of course, and most visibly was the January 6th violent attack on our legislators in Washington.

But longer term, and likely most alarming, what we got was damage to our democracy and to American's faith and confidence in our processes to maintain that democracy.

Don Trump may very well be convicted. And that would be a validation of our due process and our legal system. But he will still leave behind a damaged democracy and a country worse off than when he took office.

IMHO

 

[Care4all]

Care they say the same shit about each other.....they are traitors,they are destroying the country....we are this,you are that.....they are the same type of people and dont even know it....

Then let's change that Harry, we all forget, none of them would be there running the show, without us... Yes, the odds may be against reform, and the money bags of influence gets to push their wants and interfere and influence, but in the very end, it is up to us....we need to be smarter, discern disinformation better, and try to understand the issues and what both debating, arguments are......instead of, the other guy is the enemy! Imo

Yeah, I know.....good luck!

 

[Chillicothe]

I used an asterisk (*) in the above post (#73) in reference to those 7 states that launched the fraudulent elector schemes.

Well, Georgia and Michigan have made indictments of their electors. The Georgia guilty pleas cannot be reassuring to those electors arrested in Michigan.

But the other states who attempted the elector conspiracy are now on the button to do something about the criminal behavior in their jurisdictions ---- meaning, now Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, have the nation's and the DOJ's eyes lookiin' at them to mete out justice for criminal behavior.

IMHO

 

[Harry Dresden]

its hard to tell someone who thinks their shit dont stink.....that it surely does.....

 

[Independentthinker]

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A couple major things wrong with such a statement as 'Thinker' makes above.

If Trump knew the Biden election was legitimate and then did what he did with the lawyers who have now plead guilty....well, that goes to his 'intent'.

And his 'intent' in this case is critical. He knew it was wrong to call Raffensberger, he knew it was wrong to launch this fraudulent elector scheme, he knew his insistent pronouncements that it was 'stolen' were wrong. He clearly, and manifestly, intended to deceive, because he knew otherwise. He intended to subvert our electoral process.

And what we got because of his criminal intent....were those fraudulent electors in Georgia, in Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, and 4 other states*. And, of course, and most visibly was the January 6th violent attack on our legislators in Washington.

But longer term, and likely most alarming, what we got was damage to our democracy and to American's faith and confidence in our processes to maintain that democracy.

Don Trump may very well be convicted. And that would be a validation of our due process and our legal system. But he will still leave behind a damaged democracy and a country worse off than when he took office.

IMHO

It is not wrong to call and ask to find votes. There is zero evidence Trump asked anyone to do anything wrong.

 

[g5000]

Bullshit OP.

Whether Meadows does ultimately “flip” is a very different question than whether he already has. So far, he has not.

He did get some immunity for speaking with the Special Persecutor. But that isn’t a plea deal. And Special Persecutor Smith may not be inclined to make use of Meadows after the immunized chat.

No one was more inside the coup than Meadows. I can smell your flop sweat from here.

 

[g5000]

It is not wrong to call and ask to find votes. There is zero evidence Trump asked anyone to do anything wrong.

Trump threatened the Republican Georgia Secretary of State with prosecution if he didn't go along with Trump's Big Lie. And he's on tape doing it.

Trump also refused to look at the evidence that his lies were false. He flat out refused.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB.

Trump: I don’t care about the link. I don’t need it.

 

[BackAgain]

No one was more inside the coup than Meadows. I can smell your flop sweat from here.

You speak with no basis. As usual.

Nobody cares about your biased speculations and opinions.