The Dems Will Lose Less Seats than You Think

[Cuyo]

BH, so your position is that since you had to suffer through the tail-end of Reaganomics and I through Bush, so should everyone else?

Outsourcing is the topic that's still being ignored. You say it's a labor of both parties, I say predominantly Republicans. That's just symantecs. Actually it's not the government that "Does it" at all - It's the private sector. So government's only interaction is to what degree it is permitted of a citizenry that makes there money on our shores. What level of obstruction can we perpetrate without being labeled "Socialists?"

IMHO you cannot improve the global economy. Call it dollars, yen, euros, whatever -- There's only so much stuff to go around. Anything you do is a delay of the inevitable. Hell, our own economy is nothing but a giant ponzi scheme after all, right? Goldsmith method, fractional reserve and all that noise, it's all artificial wealth, isn't it? We're banking on the fact that we'll all be dead before we reach what economists call the "Long Run." I forget who famously said that; "We'll never know, we'll all be dead." Paraphrased of course.

We can improve our own economy however. Right now we're hemorrhaging jobs and wealth the world over. We could reign this in through tariffs and laws against outsourcing, or both, but yet we don't. Can you imagine John Boner on the tube tomorrow if Barack started pushing for tariffs? Christ, it'd be like the man's Stalin incarnate.

So where are you on the topic? You've given me enough innuendo to suggest you might be on board. But when Boner and the rest of the boners fell in lock step against it, would you hold your position?

So much ignorance, so many words.
There is not "so much stuff to go around." Resources ultimately are unlimited because human imagination is unlimited. When one thing runs out, like whale oil, humans find another to take its place.
If the world economy is a Ponzi scheme then it is a damn good one, having provided an unprecedented flow of goods and services to its people.
We cannot "reign" (sic) in the flow of jobs from outsourcing because the uS is a net beneficiary of outsourcing. We cannot protect our way to prosperity. If we could E.Germany would be a world economic power.
People get wealthy by making trades of one thing for another. Restricting these voluntary activities does not result in more wealth but less. Tariffs restrict trade and therfore result in less wealth. Look what happened when Bush put a tariff on steel to please the steel workers' unions. Immediately the industries that use steel, autos and appliances, complained their costs were artificially raised. That is your tariff at work.
And who is "Boner"?? Do you mean John Boehner?
The only boner I see here is you.

Oh, and it was Keynes, a homosexual without children, who said "in the long term we are all dead."

Shut the fuck up Rabbi, nobody is talking to your ignorant, trollin ass.
I already owned your ass the last time we met. Disappear before you embarrass yourself.

 

[Cuyo]

BH, so your position is that since you had to suffer through the tail-end of Reaganomics and I through Bush, so should everyone else?

Outsourcing is the topic that's still being ignored. You say it's a labor of both parties, I say predominantly Republicans. That's just symantecs. Actually it's not the government that "Does it" at all - It's the private sector. So government's only interaction is to what degree it is permitted of a citizenry that makes there money on our shores. What level of obstruction can we perpetrate without being labeled "Socialists?"

IMHO you cannot improve the global economy. Call it dollars, yen, euros, whatever -- There's only so much stuff to go around. Anything you do is a delay of the inevitable. Hell, our own economy is nothing but a giant ponzi scheme after all, right? Goldsmith method, fractional reserve and all that noise, it's all artificial wealth, isn't it? We're banking on the fact that we'll all be dead before we reach what economists call the "Long Run." I forget who famously said that; "We'll never know, we'll all be dead." Paraphrased of course.

We can improve our own economy however. Right now we're hemorrhaging jobs and wealth the world over. We could reign this in through tariffs and laws against outsourcing, or both, but yet we don't. Can you imagine John Boner on the tube tomorrow if Barack started pushing for tariffs? Christ, it'd be like the man's Stalin incarnate.

So where are you on the topic? You've given me enough innuendo to suggest you might be on board. But when Boner and the rest of the boners fell in lock step against it, would you hold your position?

Do you have an education?

Why is it I could find work at 38 years of age that's recession proof, pays well into 6 figures a year in the maritime industry and you blame your own situation on outsourcing, exploitve labor practices and class warfare?

You sound like a pinko commie bastard when you spout crap like that.

You chose wrong Cuyo.....better take a look at where you made a left instead of a right. You and you alone are responsible for the position you are in at any given time throughout your life...BOTTOM LINE!

You better wake up pal...while your still young enough to correct your mistakes.

ONCE AGAIN, I am self-employed. I've never been unemployed for more than a few months since I entered the work force.

It's not me I'm talking about. However, as the average family has less and less disposable income, it does and will continue to affect my business. Commodities are rising far faster than wages in this country. On this course, it's just a matter of time until the "Average" person has no money left after his "Bills."

The middle class is disappearing. Nobody questions this. I purport a solution and all I get from trolls like you and Rabbi is "Duh you must be a Communist" and "Why do you blame your situation on others?"

What is it then? If it ain't outsourcing and exploitative labor practices, why is our once burgeoning middle class shrinking, as wealth concentrates more and more to the top 1%ers (who control 22% at this point)? Why is unemployment so high? And don't say because of the Democrats, that's a load of shit. This started long ago, job losses have actually decreased quite a bit since the Dems took over.

 

[Toro]

However, if Obama decides that cap and trade is The Next Big Thing, they'll fuck it up and allow the GOP to hammer the Dems mercilessly.

 

[Charles Stucker]

There is not "so much stuff to go around." Resources ultimately are unlimited because human imagination is unlimited.

Not actually true. The resources which can be utilized are limited by a variety of factors and raw materials do have a finite quantity.
Gold prices are soaring because gold is useful in electronics and popular in jewelry but the sources are pretty well exhausted.
Oil prices are up because India and China are consuming more petroleum products and global production has plateaued.

As fort the idiotic assertion that Tariffs destroy trade - that is only true for a punitive tariff, a revenue tariff (there is a precise mathematical definition) does not harm trade, nor does it raise prices any more than a national income tax. Income tax is effectively a form of reverse tariff, placing a premium on goods produced within the taxing country. Don't just repeat liberal talking points.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

However, if Obama decides that cap and trade is The Next Big Thing, they'll fuck it up and allow the GOP to hammer the Dems mercilessly.

The only way that works out for the Dems is if its passed quickly and quietly, and then washed down with something more palatible like Financial Reform.

My feeling is that Cap and Trade is pretty much done for this Congressional term. The politicians will feel they've stuck their necks out far enough already.

 

[The Rabbi]

BH, so your position is that since you had to suffer through the tail-end of Reaganomics and I through Bush, so should everyone else?

Outsourcing is the topic that's still being ignored. You say it's a labor of both parties, I say predominantly Republicans. That's just symantecs. Actually it's not the government that "Does it" at all - It's the private sector. So government's only interaction is to what degree it is permitted of a citizenry that makes there money on our shores. What level of obstruction can we perpetrate without being labeled "Socialists?"

IMHO you cannot improve the global economy. Call it dollars, yen, euros, whatever -- There's only so much stuff to go around. Anything you do is a delay of the inevitable. Hell, our own economy is nothing but a giant ponzi scheme after all, right? Goldsmith method, fractional reserve and all that noise, it's all artificial wealth, isn't it? We're banking on the fact that we'll all be dead before we reach what economists call the "Long Run." I forget who famously said that; "We'll never know, we'll all be dead." Paraphrased of course.

We can improve our own economy however. Right now we're hemorrhaging jobs and wealth the world over. We could reign this in through tariffs and laws against outsourcing, or both, but yet we don't. Can you imagine John Boner on the tube tomorrow if Barack started pushing for tariffs? Christ, it'd be like the man's Stalin incarnate.

So where are you on the topic? You've given me enough innuendo to suggest you might be on board. But when Boner and the rest of the boners fell in lock step against it, would you hold your position?

So much ignorance, so many words.
There is not "so much stuff to go around." Resources ultimately are unlimited because human imagination is unlimited. When one thing runs out, like whale oil, humans find another to take its place.
If the world economy is a Ponzi scheme then it is a damn good one, having provided an unprecedented flow of goods and services to its people.
We cannot "reign" (sic) in the flow of jobs from outsourcing because the uS is a net beneficiary of outsourcing. We cannot protect our way to prosperity. If we could E.Germany would be a world economic power.
People get wealthy by making trades of one thing for another. Restricting these voluntary activities does not result in more wealth but less. Tariffs restrict trade and therfore result in less wealth. Look what happened when Bush put a tariff on steel to please the steel workers' unions. Immediately the industries that use steel, autos and appliances, complained their costs were artificially raised. That is your tariff at work.
And who is "Boner"?? Do you mean John Boehner?
The only boner I see here is you.

Oh, and it was Keynes, a homosexual without children, who said "in the long term we are all dead."

Shut the fuck up Rabbi, nobody is talking to your ignorant, trollin ass.
I already owned your ass the last time we met. Disappear before you embarrass yourself.

Translation: You are absolutely right and I am an abject moron but can't admit it because I'm too insecure.
Thanks. Think I'll rep you for this one.

 

[PixieStix]

No doubt the Democrats are going to lose seats in November. They have made healthcare their priority when they should have been focusing more so on the economy, healthcare is unpopular, and Obama hasn't been particularly effective. Plus, they're Democrats, which makes them pretty much incompetent in their DNA anyways. (Over the past 10 years, the Republicans seemed to have programmed their DNA for incompetence too.)

But I don't think the Democrats are going to lose either chamber. Personally, I'd like to see the GOP win one because both parties are too stupid to control everything. We saw that under Bush and we're seeing it again now. So I'm all for divided government and am hoping for Republican gains.

The Dems will lose 30-50 seats in the House and 4-6 seats in the Senate. That is probably better than most pundits think. Here's why.

First, the center is not angry over healthcare, unlike the Right. They may not support it but there is no seething anger, unlike the Right. Six months from now, once the healthcare bill is passed, it will be less of an issue for the center.

Second, the Democrats next target will be the financial industry. The GOP's healthcare posture has been "Just say no." That has worked for healthcare but will not work for financial reform. Thus far, the GOP has been following the same script in financial reform as they have for healthcare reform. It will not work. Financial reform will not be as big as healthcare reform, but the GOP is digging in to protect entrenched interests who profited enormously from the government sponsored bailouts and are spending tens of millions of dollars to fight it. Whether or not the Democrats implement meaningful reform is another story, but they will use GOP defense of Wall Street as a stick to beat the Republicans with.



Finally, and most importantly, the economy is getting better. Soon, you will see positive job growth. Between now and October, over a million jobs may be created in the economy. That may sound like a lot but it is in fact below the average coming out of a recession and even below long-term trends. The economy is still going to be sluggish and unemployment will still be high, but the headlines will be more positive and people will feel more optimistic. That will help the Democrats.

Of course, never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but I think those hoping for a Republican takeover of Congress are going to be disappointed.

You are not reading the mood of the US correctly.

This is going to cost the Dems both houses, it will be WORSE then a lot of people think for the Dems.

And you are dead wrong, the center IS EXTREMLY angry over healthcare, the bill nobody wants.

Heritage Foundation Urges Repeal of "Intolerable" Health Bill | The Heritage Foundation

"The American people are never permanently thwarted." This legislation "can and will be repealed,"

James Madison’s words cannot be repeated often enough: “The cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers.” The American people don’t want Obamacare, and the will of the American people will ultimately prevail over the will of their rulers — starting in November.

So, the war has just begun, and we must be prepared to dig in for the long haul. Repeal will be a three-year process — more like a marathon than a sprint.

The Battle Is Lost, and the War Has Begun - Jeffrey H. Anderson - Critical Condition on National Review Online

 

[saveliberty]

Heritage Foundation Urges Repeal of "Intolerable" Health Bill | The Heritage Foundation

"The American people are never permanently thwarted." This legislation "can and will be repealed,"

James Madison’s words cannot be repeated often enough: “The cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers.” The American people don’t want Obamacare, and the will of the American people will ultimately prevail over the will of their rulers — starting in November.

So, the war has just begun, and we must be prepared to dig in for the long haul. Repeal will be a three-year process — more like a marathon than a sprint.

The Battle Is Lost, and the War Has Begun - Jeffrey H. Anderson - Critical Condition on National Review Online

Excellent article and good advice.

 

[woodjack]

However, if Obama decides that cap and trade is The Next Big Thing, they'll fuck it up and allow the GOP to hammer the Dems mercilessly.

The only way that works out for the Dems is if its passed quickly and quietly, and then washed down with something more palatible like Financial Reform.

My feeling is that Cap and Trade is pretty much done for this Congressional term. The politicians will feel they've stuck their necks out far enough already.

I wish you were right, Just heard John Kerry drumming up Cap and trade, to them it will help the economy by creating jobs, just like this health care reform is supposed to create jobs, to them it is all one and the same, slump in unemployment.....well we will create millions of jobs with cap and trade as well as health care reform that just passed. They are not going to wait, now that they think they are on a roll.

 

[Cuyo]

Translation: You are absolutely right and I am an abject moron but can't admit it because I'm too insecure.
Thanks. Think I'll rep you for this one.

You're a joke.

 

[rightwinger]

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.
By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system

 

[The Rabbi]

There is not "so much stuff to go around." Resources ultimately are unlimited because human imagination is unlimited.

Not actually true. The resources which can be utilized are limited by a variety of factors and raw materials do have a finite quantity.
Gold prices are soaring because gold is useful in electronics and popular in jewelry but the sources are pretty well exhausted.
Oil prices are up because India and China are consuming more petroleum products and global production has plateaued.

As fort the idiotic assertion that Tariffs destroy trade - that is only true for a punitive tariff, a revenue tariff (there is a precise mathematical definition) does not harm trade, nor does it raise prices any more than a national income tax. Income tax is effectively a form of reverse tariff, placing a premium on goods produced within the taxing country. Don't just repeat liberal talking points.

Once gold prices reach a permanent high there will be other materials. Same with everything else.
It is hardly an idiotic assertion that tariffs destroy trade. Actually it is a proven fact. Does Smoot Hawley ring any bells? Tariffs increase prices. That is often their sole reason for being. But anything that increases costs increases costs. That shouldn't take much brain power to figure out.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.
By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system

People who didn't read it and have no idea what was signed are in favor of it.

Thanks for that

 

[Avatar4321]

Im not predicting outcomes of elections. They arent predictable this far out. Anything can happen to change things.

I will make one prediction: Pain

 

[Charles Stucker]

It is hardly an idiotic assertion that tariffs destroy trade. Actually it is a proven fact. Does Smoot Hawley ring any bells?

Do you understand anything beyond grade school arithmetic?
Smoot Hawley was a deliberately punitive tariff, designed to prevent trade. A reasonable tariff, one designed to generate revenue would not have the same effect.
Definition - a Punitive Tariff is one which when lowered by some value X (where X>0) will yield the same or greater profits to the collecting government on the good subject to said tariff.
A revenue Tariff is a Tariff which is not punitive.

Do you want the mathematical proof that Income Tax is a form of negative tariff?

 

[saveliberty]

It occurs to me that debating whether Dems will lose x or y number of seats in November is pointless. I'll just donate some time and money to make it happen. Then we can discuss the RESULTS and IMPACT of the November election.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

BH, so your position is that since you had to suffer through the tail-end of Reaganomics and I through Bush, so should everyone else?

Outsourcing is the topic that's still being ignored. You say it's a labor of both parties, I say predominantly Republicans. That's just symantecs. Actually it's not the government that "Does it" at all - It's the private sector. So government's only interaction is to what degree it is permitted of a citizenry that makes there money on our shores. What level of obstruction can we perpetrate without being labeled "Socialists?"

IMHO you cannot improve the global economy. Call it dollars, yen, euros, whatever -- There's only so much stuff to go around. Anything you do is a delay of the inevitable. Hell, our own economy is nothing but a giant ponzi scheme after all, right? Goldsmith method, fractional reserve and all that noise, it's all artificial wealth, isn't it? We're banking on the fact that we'll all be dead before we reach what economists call the "Long Run." I forget who famously said that; "We'll never know, we'll all be dead." Paraphrased of course.

We can improve our own economy however. Right now we're hemorrhaging jobs and wealth the world over. We could reign this in through tariffs and laws against outsourcing, or both, but yet we don't. Can you imagine John Boner on the tube tomorrow if Barack started pushing for tariffs? Christ, it'd be like the man's Stalin incarnate.

So where are you on the topic? You've given me enough innuendo to suggest you might be on board. But when Boner and the rest of the boners fell in lock step against it, would you hold your position?

Well, The fucking Democratic Party supports all that crap too bro! I am not gonna get off topic here, but I am very anti-Internationalism. I think we should focus on our own Nations problems. Whoever would suggest it, I am Absolutely in favor of Tariffs and 100% against outsourcing. However I have too many other views that are strongly against what your Party stands for. You have to understand that I view The Republicans as Liberals. The Democrats are international Socialist lunatics though. Nothing but a Two Party circus set up in order to keep the sheople half herded and squabbling with eachother. What kills me about you left-wingers is that you're actually foolish enough to believe that your Party is not just as corrupt. They are all corrupt, period. ~BH

 

[Toro]

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.
By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system

People who didn't read it and have no idea what was signed are in favor of it.

Thanks for that

As opposed to the millions and millions of conservatives who've read it front to back ...

 

[Charles Stucker]

As opposed to the millions and millions of conservatives who've read it front to back ...

What concerns me are the hundreds of congressmen who voted on it and have not read it front to back. If anyone believes the majority of congress actually read that entire monstrosity then I have some wonderful beachfront property for sale.

 

[Brubricker]

WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.
By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system

People who didn't read it and have no idea what was signed are in favor of it.

Thanks for that

In other news, ignorant people vote. You're already losing. You just refuse to recognize the obvious even when it hits you in the face.