The Dems just don't get it!

[Oldstyle]

Two simple questions for you, Billo...

If that were really true...that the Obama Stimulus created jobs in the Private Sector? Then why did they have to invent that new statistic "jobs created and saved...and why would blue collar workers in the Rust Belt not be so thrilled with all the jobs that Democrats created that they would have turned out in DROVES to vote for more of the same with Hillary Clinton? Why would they vote for a Republican if Barry's Stimulus REALLY created jobs for the Private Sector?

I didn't say he created jobs in the private sector. The private sector wasn't hiring. And when the private sector isn't hiring, the government has to step in and get people back to work.

The economy doesn't care whether it is a private dollar, or a public dollar; all the economy cares about, is spending. 70% of the economy is consumer spending. Putting people back to work, increases spending. The more spending, the more demand. The more demand, the more investing from the private sector. Once the private sector starts investing and hiring increases, then the government can back off let capitalism do what it naturally does.

So what you're admitting is that the Obama Stimulus didn't create jobs in the Private Sector but only protected jobs in the Public Sector? Now that we've established that...let's examine what happens when you lose millions of jobs in the Private Sector because it DID matter whether job creation took place there or in the Public Sector! When you take a hands off approach to jobs in the Private Sector because you're spending the bulk of your stimulus money in the Public Sector you aren't going to get investing and hiring taking place in the Private Sector...you're going to get layoffs and cuts to investment. Investment in the Private Sector is based upon one thing only...anticipation of profits! The Private Sector looks at long term projections to determine whether or not to invest capital. They take into account such things as energy and labor costs. One of the Obama Administration's stupidest moves was to announce that they would be seeking new Cap & Trade legislation on energy right after they passed ObamaCare! In one fell swoop they told the Private Sector that not only are we going to increase your labor costs dramatically with our new healthcare policies but if we get our way (and at that time they controlled the House and Senate) we will also be raising your energy costs! So how do you think the Private Sector responded, Billo? Did they start investing? Did they start hiring? Of course not! Only an idiot would think that they would!

So the Obama Administration's ill conceived economic policies created a situation where investment in the Private Sector decreased. So you've flat lined the Private Sector and now the only thing that can happen is for the stimulus funds that went to local government from the Federal Government to run out...which it did...and then you start getting layoffs of non Federal Public Sector employees because local governments can't simply print money like the Federal Government can! They need to balance a budget.

When you base your economic policies on political ideology instead of sound fiscal policy then you end up with the worst recovery from a recession in modern economic history...which is EXACTLY what we got under Obama! That's the reason why blue collar workers in the Rust Belt didn't vote for more of the same.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Look at the tremendous growth in gdp the "stimulus" initiated........Astonishing, yes ??? Lol

 

[Slyhunter]

I provided the data and the links to back it up. You've provided nothing but frustration and your uninformed ideology.

You haven't provided anything to back it up. All you've provided, is bad grammar, name calling and right wing talking points.

These protests are massive. And many are consisting of angry right wing constituents. It's time to embrace the horror, the country is against you. You are so far to the right, you're calling the moderate right, lefty's.

And yes, you do have a 3rd grade mentality when you make dumbass statements like Cabinet members have no effect on the American people.

The rioters are all Left wing idiots. Conservatives don't riot.

 

[Slyhunter]

Ignoring the rest of your astoundingly stupid post - this one little sentence alone here is fall down hilarious. You act like "healthcare" is the name of a corporation such as Microsoft.

When you consider that "healthcare" includes over 5,500 hospitals nationwide, over 15,000 nursing homes, hundreds of thousands of primary care practices, endless physical therapy facilities and practices, and medications - that $2 to $3 trillion per year is shockingly small.

To give you an idea - if one were to divide that $3 trillion by just 15,000 nursing homes nationwide (and there are more than that) it comes out to $200 million a piece. Shockingly small by today's standards (since you're not very bright: to give you an idea, Apple did $47 billion just in the 4th quarter of 2016 alone).

And that doesn't include medications, hospitals, PCP's, PT's etc. You truly are a moron my friend. You can't think beyond the end of your nose.

An x-ray costing $400 is obscene. $32,000 for a one night stay in the hospital, is obscene. 51% of all bankruptcies in the country, are due to escalating healthcare costs.

The prices are high to cover all the people who don't pay for their own medical care. If everyone paid who used them then the prices would be lower.

 

[francoHFW]

So the House bills that would have created jobs that sat on Harry Reid's desk over at the Senate never existed? Sorry, Billo but blue collar workers in the Rust Belt knew better. The Obama Stimulus didn't target them...it protected government workers in the public sector. If you call not wanting to vote for a watered down version of the same stimulus plan that didn't create jobs the first time around as "jobs bills" then you'll have to include a large number of Democrats in the list of people who wouldn't vote for a "do over".

They created jobs, you just won't admit it.

Would those be the fabled "shovel ready" jobs, Billo? The Obama Stimulus really didn't create jobs...it simply kept government workers employed while everyone else suffered massive layoffs. If it HAD created jobs then they wouldn't have had to invent a new economic statistic "jobs created or saved" to hide how few new jobs they actually did create!

Mainly teachers and police....horrible. LOL
Those jobs took time and thus lasted longer as a program.
BS> Link to that new stat?

 

[francoHFW]

I provided the data and the links to back it up. You've provided nothing but frustration and your uninformed ideology.

You haven't provided anything to back it up. All you've provided, is bad grammar, name calling and right wing talking points.

These protests are massive. And many are consisting of angry right wing constituents. It's time to embrace the horror, the country is against you. You are so far to the right, you're calling the moderate right, lefty's.

And yes, you do have a 3rd grade mentality when you make dumbass statements like Cabinet members have no effect on the American people.

The rioters are all Left wing idiots. Conservatives don't riot.

They damage Jewish property etc...scum.
Trump calls rising violence aimed at Jews ‘horrible and painful’

 

[Richard-H]

The reelection of Nancy Pelosi was a HUGE fuck You gesture by the Democrats to the American people. It proved that they care only about their donors and couldn't care less about voters.

Since I can remember, the Dems are nothing but a token opposition party. They like to appear to fight the good fight and ALWAYS lose.

The only reason why they win elections at all is because the Republicans are TOTALLY HORRENDOUS and there's no other choice but the Dems!

 

[francoHFW]

...or you stop believing their bs propaganda...

Are you saying Wall Street wasn't bailed out? Are you saying the Patriot and Military Commission's Acts didn't suppress our constitutional rights? Are you saying we didn't start a war of aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq? Are you saying Washington doesn't cater to lobby groups, more than they do to the American people?

Is that what you're saying with your little bullshit talking point?

Wall St was bailed out by Bush Paulson TARP. Damn good idea, instead of full blown depression. The rest is a GOP disgrace- Non oversight of Wall St, BS about Fannie and Freddie while Countrywide, AIG etc ran wild.
Not as much as you think...(rights)
Iraq, yes.
GOP is a disgrace on lobbyists, blocks Dem bills.

 

[francoHFW]

The reelection of Nancy Pelosi was a HUGE fuck You gesture by the Democrats to the American people. It proved that they care only about their donors and couldn't care less about voters.

Since I can remember, the Dems are nothing but a token opposition party. They like to appear to fight the good fight and ALWAYS lose.

The only reason why they win elections at all is because the Republicans are TOTALLY HORRENDOUS and there's no other choice but the Dems!

Pelosi is fine. RW BS propaganda is a disgrace.

 

[P@triot]

The reelection of Nancy Pelosi was a HUGE fuck You gesture by the Democrats to the American people. It proved that they care only about their donors and couldn't care less about voters.

Since I can remember, the Dems are nothing but a token opposition party. They like to appear to fight the good fight and ALWAYS lose.

The only reason why they win elections at all is because the Republicans are TOTALLY HORRENDOUS and there's no other choice but the Dems!

Spoken like a true communist Richard-H. Cuba is waiting for you chief. So bizarre that you refuse to go live your utopia on a "beautiful" island.

 

[Deleted member 61768]

The majority of American's don't understand that the Democratic Party is at war with the rights and liberties of the American people! They seek to mandate everything you say, do, and think!

 

[Billo_Really]

What you refer to as "calling people names" - the rest of the world refers to as "reality". Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was caught in so many embarrassing lies that the Obama Administration ran her off. Do you realize how bad one has to be for the lying Obama Administration to find one's lies disturbing?!?

No, you name call like a little 3rd grade bitch!

 

[Billo_Really]

It's hard to take you seriously when you state that the ACA was the first time that government got involved in healthcare...

So you're nothing but a troll? Because only a troll continues to misquote people AFTER they've been corrected.

 

[Billo_Really]

Two simple questions for you, Billo...

If that were really true...that the Obama Stimulus created jobs in the Private Sector? Then why did they have to invent that new statistic "jobs created and saved...and why would blue collar workers in the Rust Belt not be so thrilled with all the jobs that Democrats created that they would have turned out in DROVES to vote for more of the same with Hillary Clinton? Why would they vote for a Republican if Barry's Stimulus REALLY created jobs for the Private Sector?

I will answer your questions, when you're done misquoting me.

 

[Billo_Really]

The majority of American's don't understand that the Democratic Party is at war with the rights and liberties of the American people! They seek to mandate everything you say, do, and think!

Like Trump putting a gag order on all Administration officials when speaking to the media?

 

[Billo_Really]

Spoken like a true communist Richard-H. Cuba is waiting for you chief. So bizarre that you refuse to go live your utopia on a "beautiful" island.

More name calling.

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh you poor, uneducated, uninformed, "useful idiot". For starters, government got involved in healthcare long before the ACA. It started with Medicare and Medicaid in 1967 you nitwit. And it didn't stop there. Tip O'Neill and the Dumbocrats passed a bill in the 1980's requiring hospitals to provide their services regardless of a person's ability to pay. That is when healthcare costs really started to take off. Because Dumbocrats (such as yourself) were too stupid to understand that a hospital would not eat that cost. They would just pass it on to their other patients who could pay.

But that aside my ignorant, uninformed, naïve little snowflake - the ACA was not about healthcare costs. White House emails and people inside have admitted that much already. The ACA was simply about power and control.

Just out of curiosity - what grade are you in? And don't lie. I can tell a young, naïve student when I see one. Fess up....what grade?

Stop deliberately misquoting me and I'll answer your questions.

 

[Timmy]

The majority of American's don't understand that the Democratic Party is at war with the rights and liberties of the American people! They seek to mandate everything you say, do, and think!

Oh really ? How about an example ?

Other than the 2nd amendment , where are conservatives out to expand rights?

 

[Billo_Really]

The rioters are all Left wing idiots. Conservatives don't riot.

They just bring automatic weapons to public events.

Man with assault rifle attends Obama protest​

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[Billo_Really]

The Democratic party goal is to adopt the "New World Order" ideology with no borders, one world government, with a handful of powerful elites running the world, rotating puppet heads of the one world government, eliminate all religions but one (we can easily guess what one that is), dirt poor income for the illiterates and those powerful elites laughing all the way to the bank, until of course, the Islamists turn on them too, which they will.

Powerful elites? Like the Trump Cabinet nominees?