The Damage of the Depression Wasn't Economic

[imawhosure]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

Oh yes they do, and the Democrats have moved faaaaaaar left!

Do I need remind you of Harry Reid talking about illegal immigration? Hillary Clinton?

How about all of them talking about marriage is between one man, and one woman?

Would you like to discuss the Democrats talking about the massive debt and how it would kill the country, and now you have Obama, let alone Bernie?

JFK lowering taxes anyone? How about the Democratic congress that did too under Reagan? You do know, they had the power of the purse, don't you?

The establishment GOP has basically taken YOUR space, as you continued moving further, and faster LEFT!

I know it is a shock to you, but it is accurate, like it or not.

 

[imawhosure]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

That would make the radical repubs communist....

Nice try, but it actually makes the left Socialist/Marxist. But hey, keep on spinning, lol.

 

[Dot Com]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

Oh yes they do, and the Democrats have moved faaaaaaar left!

Do I need remind you of Harry Reid talking about illegal immigration? Hillary Clinton?

How about all of them talking about marriage is between one man, and one woman?

Would you like to discuss the Democrats talking about the massive debt and how it would kill the country, and now you have Obama, let alone Bernie?

JFK lowering taxes anyone? How about the Democratic congress that did too under Reagan? You do know, they had the power of the purse, don't you?

The establishment GOP has basically taken YOUR space, as you continued moving further, and faster LEFT!

I know it is a shock to you, but it is accurate, like it or not.

you just proved you can't be taken seriously. Republicorp kicked, what was left of all their moderates out of the party in 2010 kiddo. Remember all the extremists they ran who won in the primaries but got their clocks cleaned in the general? . Buck, Aiken, O'Donnell, and the red head in Arizona? Yeah

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Federal reserve crashed the economy by withdrawing 1/3 of the money supply.

FDR averaged 20% unemployment from his inauguration until Hitler conquered France in 1940. Worst economic record ih human history, eclipsing the 7 Biblical lean years

More monkey business with "average"....

In 1933, the rate was nearly 25%........in 1940 it was 14.45.....

That's an average of 20%.

So after nearly 8 years UE was still above 14% -- that's success???????

 

[Camp]

FDR transformed the American economy from a "trickle down" economy facilitated by the government to a "trickle up" economy facilitated by the government. The trickle downers have been fighting his transformation ever since. The fight goes back and forth like a pendulum, Great progress was finally made in the 1980's for the trickle downers under Reagan, but the party that promotes the trickle down theory has never fully regained the dominance it had before FDR and is constantly and consistently in danger of losing ground. Much of the ground obtained under Reagan was lost under Clinton and has been decimated under Obama.

 

[imawhosure]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

Oh yes they do, and the Democrats have moved faaaaaaar left!

Do I need remind you of Harry Reid talking about illegal immigration? Hillary Clinton?

How about all of them talking about marriage is between one man, and one woman?

Would you like to discuss the Democrats talking about the massive debt and how it would kill the country, and now you have Obama, let alone Bernie?

JFK lowering taxes anyone? How about the Democratic congress that did too under Reagan? You do know, they had the power of the purse, don't you?

The establishment GOP has basically taken YOUR space, as you continued moving further, and faster LEFT!

I know it is a shock to you, but it is accurate, like it or not.

you just proved you can't be taken seriously. Republicorp kicked, what was left of all their moderates out of the party in 2010 kiddo. Remember all the extremists they ran who won in the primaries but got their clocks cleaned in the general? . Buck, Aiken, O'Donnell, and the red head in Arizona? Yeah

Then I will answer you with a question----------> what happens if Bernie wins the DNC nomination? What does that mean, or we should not take you seriously either?

If the GOP was not in your space, would they not be supporting Cruz; the person rated as MOST conservative in the field by all the experts?

And so I go back to the obvious proof-------> Which video would you like me to post, Reid, Hillary, JFK, leaders of the Democratic congress talking about debt? Ask, and your wish is my command, as long as once I do post visual proof, you admit you are wrong!

 

[Dot Com]

Todays Repubs are moderates? I'm done w/ you kiddo.

As I said, Republicorp had a pogrom of their moderates shortly after the teapartiers arrived on the scene hence more rw extremists/gridlock.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Same old shit thread.....just post the last one and you will find the same old partisan lines of logic..

One can always recognize a Leftist Roosevelt supporter by the vulgarity.

And, no....it will not be 'the same'....other than the indictment of Franklin Roosevelt. New facts and details in every thread.

Your use of illiterate trends in character assassination reminds me of the flushing a diaper down the toilet gag done by toddlers...

Translation: "Dang....I wish I could find even a single error in that OP!!!!"

There are so many it is hardly worth addressing...Which is the case with your previous spamulicious post on the very same issue..

They are the same issue's the OP has repeated over and over, and been debunked and shown to be dishonest over and over.

Aha!

A Roosevelt boot-licker, and liar!

"...
repeated over and over, and been debunked and shown to be dishonest over and over..."

Let's see....you can't deny post #32...
"...tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy,..." was the cure.



You can't deny that the megalomaniac, Roosevelt, knew how successful that was.


You can't deny that he did the very opposite.


So....nothing has "been debunked and shown to be dishonest over and over."
So....you are a bald-faced Rooseveltian suck-up....
and liar.


QED.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And by God, what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?

"...what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?"

You moron.....the 'previous years' were the Roaring Twenties!!!

The Roaring Twenties is a term for the 1920s in the Western world. It was a period of sustained economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe, particularly in major cities such as New York, Montreal, Chicago, Detroit, Paris, Berlin, London, and Los Angeles. Wikipedia

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[PoliticalChic]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

That would make the radical repubs communist....

Nice try, but it actually makes the left Socialist/Marxist. But hey, keep on spinning, lol.

More than that.

Family Re-Union: Marxists-socialists-Progressives-Democrats.......communists all.

 

[Camp]

The Federal reserve crashed the economy by withdrawing 1/3 of the money supply.

FDR averaged 20% unemployment from his inauguration until Hitler conquered France in 1940. Worst economic record ih human history, eclipsing the 7 Biblical lean years

More monkey business with "average"....

In 1933, the rate was nearly 25%........in 1940 it was 14.45.....

That's an average of 20%.

So after nearly 8 years UE was still above 14% -- that's success???????

Only if you use the Lebbergott method of calculating unemployment. In that method, workers in the various programs like the CCC who were building infrastructure, much of which is still being used today, were counted as unemployed because they were viewed as being on a form of relief. The Lebbergott method was focused on people who were not working in private industry, so the figures do not really represent people who did or didn't earn paychecks.

The Darby method, on the other hand, counted the people collecting paychecks whether the work pay came from private industry or the government.

Here is a link that explains it and shows both the Lebbergott and Darby calculations for unemployment. No serious discussion can be had about unemployment during the Geat Depression without the opposing sides coming to agreement and understanding of the two methods.

fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/maremp93.pdf

This link has been given to the OP on numerous occasions but she refuses to acknowledge it and insist on using the method that distorts in favor of her thesis.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

That would make the radical repubs communist....

There are no 'radical Republicans.'

For edification:
There Is No "Far Right" In This Country

 

[Moonglow]

And by God, what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?

"...what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?"

You moron.....the 'previous years' were the Roaring Twenties!!!

The Roaring Twenties is a term for the 1920s in the Western world. It was a period of sustained economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe, particularly in major cities such as New York, Montreal, Chicago, Detroit, Paris, Berlin, London, and Los Angeles. Wikipedia

The crash occurred in 1929.......Hoover was president until 1932....actually 1933.....

 

[Moonglow]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

That would make the radical repubs communist....

There are no 'radical Republicans.'

For edification:
There Is No "Far Right" In This Country

And never has been, the split between the radical republicans and Lincoln never happened, according to you...And yet it was the GOP in power at the fed level which usurped much of the states rights enjoyed before Lincoln was elected...

 

[Dot Com]

And by God, what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?

"...what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?"

You moron.....the 'previous years' were the Roaring Twenties!!!

The Roaring Twenties is a term for the 1920s in the Western world. It was a period of sustained economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe, particularly in major cities such as New York, Montreal, Chicago, Detroit, Paris, Berlin, London, and Los Angeles. Wikipedia

ironically the wealth gap was never so great as it was in the '20's and it was in the early 2000's. ENROLL IN UNIVERSITY IF THEY WILL ACCEPT YOU POLISPICE!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

And by God, what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?

"...what did the GOP do during the previous years during the depression in which they thought like Pollochick, that doing nothing was the thing to do?"

You moron.....the 'previous years' were the Roaring Twenties!!!

The Roaring Twenties is a term for the 1920s in the Western world. It was a period of sustained economic prosperity with a distinctive cultural edge in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe, particularly in major cities such as New York, Montreal, Chicago, Detroit, Paris, Berlin, London, and Los Angeles. Wikipedia

The crash occurred in 1929.......Hoover was president until 1932....actually 1933.....

Do you get some sort of prize for "Exhibiting the Greatest Amount of Ignorance"????

OK.....now, take notes:

5. Did Roosevelt know of Harding's successful system for ending depressions? Of course he did.
He even promised, as his platform, the steps that Harding used.....he used that promise against Hoover's spending.



The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget.
The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year.

Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time."
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Yup....that's what the liar, Roosevelt, said!!!



a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true."
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania



b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.

FDR went on to vow that everyone he selects for his cabinet had to pledge absolute fealty to a balanced budget and a 25% across-the-board cut in government spending.



Can we let that sink in? Franklin Delano Roosevelt...budget wonk....balance the budget....stop the deficits....cut government spending by 25%....do what Republican Harding did!!!


He knew it....he promised it.....
....and then he did the very opposite.

See the title of the thread?
The reason was political: he wanted to be a dictator, like his pals Stalin and Mussolini.....

 

[Moonglow]

If Hoover and the GOP was so successful, why was the depression getting worse while they were in office?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is also why we always proclaim that neither party is as it once was. Today's Republicans now reside left of middle where the Democratic party once stood, and the Democrats have gone off the reservation totally left.

It is why some of us laugh hysterically when you guys claim that today's GOP is full of rightwing crazies. No it isn't! It is full of people who stand where the Democrats once stood not 40 years ago, it is just young Democrats aren't aware of it.

Today's Republicans now reside left of middle

That would make the radical repubs communist....

There are no 'radical Republicans.'

For edification:
There Is No "Far Right" In This Country

And never has been, the split between the radical republicans and Lincoln never happened, according to you...And yet it was the GOP in power at the fed level which usurped much of the states rights enjoyed before Lincoln was elected...

The only "radical" was Franklin Roosevelt.

His ending the guidance of the Constitution was the most radical event in American political history.

 

[Jomama]

I'm late to comment here but to the OP, Rahm Emmanuel spoke a secret truth about crises. I specialize in commercial financial crises and it is the moment when the rules change and those with the gold step in and take over. They dont teach you this in business school but you learn it on the street. Borrow money from Tony Soprano or Bank or America or the SBA and they're all going to stuff it up your backside when you can't make the payments. This goes back to the Roman times when they would break a merchants bench (the basis of the word bankruptcy - broken bench) and probably well before that.

The issue is not that horrible things happen in distress - the issue is understanding the game and avoiding distress at all costs. Now, our banks did not do that in 2008 and I personally think they should have been broken apart.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If Hoover and the GOP was so successful, why was the depression getting worse while they were in office?

1. Please find a quote where I stated that Hoover was successful.

Or, apologize.



2. As far as the downturn getting worse,....

Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression




Know who else said Roosevelt was an abject failure, very much like Barack Obama?

3. " “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong…somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises…I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started…And an enormous debt to boot!”
Treasury Sec'y Henry Morgenthau Diary, May 9, 1939, Franklin Roosevelt Presidential Library