The Condemned - Indonesia

[Saigon]

Australian government has callous attitude towards human rights. I hope this will change with the advent of new administration.

Do you mean the civil rights of asylum seekers?

That is likely to get worse under the new administration!

 

[Noomi]

Australian government has callous attitude towards human rights. I hope this will change with the advent of new administration.

Do you mean the civil rights of asylum seekers?

That is likely to get worse under the new administration!

A boat has already sunk, people have drowned, and our new PM has refused to answer any questions regarding this tragedy.

What a jerk.

 

[Moonglow]

Australian government has callous attitude towards human rights. I hope this will change with the advent of new administration.

If your white, it's alright.

 

[bianco]

Australian government has callous attitude towards human rights. I hope this will change with the advent of new administration.

If your white, it's alright.

Make that "white women" [any women really...oh and 'cultural and religious minorities']

No Cookies | Herald Sun

2008

DISCRIMINATION against dominant white males will soon be encouraged in a bid to boost the status of women, the disabled and cultural and religious minorities.

The first raft of changes to the Equal Opportunity Act were introduced into Parliament last week.


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Women took over the workplace and society long ago.

 

[bianco]

Australian government has callous attitude towards human rights. I hope this will change with the advent of new administration.

Do you mean the civil rights of asylum seekers?

That is likely to get worse under the new administration!

A boat has already sunk, people have drowned, and our new PM has refused to answer any questions regarding this tragedy.

What a jerk.

Nah, you'll be getting a briefing once a week.
He, his new cabinet/govt, and the 3 star general he's appointed to deal with the people smuggling racket have new ways of doing things.

People-smuggling boats sinking, and men, women and children drowning is nothing new...1000 perished under the recently booted out Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Labor govt, after they dismantled the Howard govt's Pacific Solution policy in 2008...and the people smugglers were back in business.
"Racist" and "too harsh" were what they called it?

 

[Vikrant]

Coming back to the topic. Is Australia capable of taking military action against Indonesia with the help of other commonwealth countries?

What kind of naval assets Australia has?

 

[Noomi]

Fuck military action. Just stop giving them money and let them fend for themselves.

 

[Vikrant]

I get the feeling that the Australian government is not interested in protecting the lives of those Aussies because they are colored.

 

[Saigon]

Coming back to the topic. Is Australia capable of taking military action against Indonesia with the help of other commonwealth countries?

What kind of naval assets Australia has?

Certainly most commonwealth countries would protect Indonesia from a hostile attack, but then so would most other countries in the world.

Did you ever explain why you do not want to attack countries with civil rights records far, far worse than Indonesia?

 

[Vikrant]

Coming back to the topic. Is Australia capable of taking military action against Indonesia with the help of other commonwealth countries?

What kind of naval assets Australia has?

Certainly most commonwealth countries would protect Indonesia from a hostile attack, but then so would most other countries in the world.

Did you ever explain why you do not want to attack countries with civil rights records far, far worse than Indonesia?

Show me a post where I am saying that I do not advocate military action against a country with far worse human rights record than Indonesia. Once again you are showing to the entire forum that you are nothing but a liar.

 

[Saigon]

Vikrant -

Can you show us where you have recommded Australia attack PNG?

Because far more Australians have been killed, raped and assaulted in PNG than in Indonesia.Would you like to see proof?

 

[bianco]

Coming back to the topic. Is Australia capable of taking military action against Indonesia with the help of other commonwealth countries?

What kind of naval assets Australia has?

Very little.
A few ships...none capable of fighting a war.
No military capable of fighting a war.
One sub.
We're only allowed to have the second rate versions of all the warplanes.
It'd be interesting to see what help we'd get from Commonwealth countries.
We needs nukes, and plenty of them.

Our navy spends most of its time these days playing concierge/taxi service to people-smuggling boats from Indonesia/Sri lanka etc.
Most of the people smuggling boats seem to get into international waters then ring "1800Navy" or something on their cell phones and our Navy ships find them and escort them to port at Christmas Island.

Two confessed drug smugglers...there'll be no war over them.
Trade, politics, and 'the relationship' is bigger than Indonesia's execution-shredding of them.
Although, our new Prime Minister, a devout Christian, might get rooolly angry and take some sort of political action against Indonesia.

What will happen is that a whole lot of people in Australia will likely hate Indonesia with a passion, forever.
I expect to hear racist and the very worst expletive-laden verbal abuse hatred of Indonesia/Indonesians ...that you'd do well to hide your ears from.

 

[Saigon]

Meanwhile, back in the real world...Australians show their hatred by rushing to visit Indonesia in ever-increasing numbers!

Bali’s foreign tourist numbers for the whole year of 2011 totaled 2,756,579 people as released by Central Statistic Agency (BPS) this week. Increase about 10.57% over the total for 2010’s 2,493,058 people.

The numbers was contributed from Australian tourists in the first place with 22.09% in 2011 to 790,965 tourists. The second was People’s Republic of China which promoted from the third to second place in 2011 by increasing 20.32% to 236,868 tourists.

Good Numbers for Bali and Indonesia’s Tourism

 

[bianco]

They do, [Chan and Sukumaran haven't been dragged from their cells and execution-homicided yet] ...and an Aussie dies in Bali every 9 days.
Dead, never to return home alive.

Others get poisoned and have their bodies and lives ruined by methanol[car radiator coolant]-laced drinks.
Others have their little kids' bodies scarred for life by 'chemical burn' henna temp tattoos.
Others get blown up by Islamic terrorists.

The population of Australia is 23 million...the majority of them never set foot in Bali/Indonesia.

Of course, there are some people in Australia who can't wait for execution-shredding day...say they're gonna break out the champagne as the drug smugglers get exterminated.

 

[Sallow]

Their crime definitely does not warrant death penalty. Sovereign rights of a nation does not include free license to execute people. Indonesia has right to imprison them but executing them is wrong and is a violation of human rights. Australia would be justified if it chooses to take military action against Indonesia.

It absolutely would not.

 

[Saigon]

Bianco -

The population of Australia is 23 million...the majority of them never set foot in Bali/Indonesia.

As I just proved, almost one million Australians visit Bali every year.

So over a period of 20 years, basically the entire Australian population visits Bali.

Of those millions of tourists, there are currently a total of 18 in prison in Indonesia, all on charges related to drugs.

The basis of your complaints seems to be that Indonesia arrests Australian drug dealers - something I doubt many Australians have a problem with.

 

[Indofred]

Aussie boys Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran...on death row in Bali/Indonesia.
All their appeals have failed, and they await execution-shredding by Muslim Indonesia's firing squad..

Aussie drug dealers, not boys, were nabbed with enough drugs to kill a pile of people but your silly post tries to skip over that little fact.
Frankly, I want to live in a place free from drugs and all the death and misery that follows greedy drug dealers who are willing to kill for profit.

Yes - Drugs kill but these people don't care as long as they get the cash.
Basically, fuck them.

Now to your silly, uneducated attempt to blame Muslims.

Bali is majority Hindu, not a slight majority but the vast majority.

The first few seconds of the film shows how much death they were carrying on that day - tough luck if they get shot. They're no different from the Bali bombers who lived in the same prison before they got what they deserved.

 

[bianco]

Bianco -

The population of Australia is 23 million...the majority of them never set foot in Bali/Indonesia.

As I just proved, almost one million Australians visit Bali every year.

So over a period of 20 years, basically the entire Australian population visits Bali.

Of those millions of tourists, there are currently a total of 18 in prison in Indonesia, all on charges related to drugs.

The basis of your complaints seems to be that Indonesia arrests Australian drug dealers - something I doubt many Australians have a problem with.

The same tourists visit Bali many times over.
One group who were blown to pieces/burnt/charred beyond recognition by Islamic terrorists had holidayed there every year for a decade.

 

[bianco]

Aussie boys Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran...on death row in Bali/Indonesia.
All their appeals have failed, and they await execution-shredding by Muslim Indonesia's firing squad..

Aussie drug dealers, not boys, were nabbed with enough drugs to kill a pile of people but your silly post tries to skip over that little fact.
Frankly, I want to live in a place free from drugs and all the death and misery that follows greedy drug dealers who are willing to kill for profit.

Yes - Drugs kill but these people don't care as long as they get the cash.
Basically, fuck them.

Now to your silly, uneducated attempt to blame Muslims.

Bali is majority Hindu, not a slight majority but the vast majority.

The first few seconds of the film shows how much death they were carrying on that day - tough luck if they get shot. They're no different from the Bali bombers who lived in the same prison before they got what they deserved.

21 and 22 yr olds are boys ...anyway, 'boys' can be older than that.

Indonesia is a Muslim country...Indonesia includes the "holiday island' of Bali.
It was Hindu Bali...Hindu Bali, baaah!... that sentenced them to death, and the Supreme court in Jakarta that increased the sentences of others of the Bali9 to death.
It was the Supreme Court in Jakarta that denied their appeals and confirmed their death sentences.
Muslim Jakarta if you like.

The serious sins of Chan and Sukumaran have been well documented.
They should face long prison sentences for their crime.

Drug users die because they knock on the illegal drug dealers' doors, buy from them the illegal drugs, and consume the illegal drugs, knowing full well what the consequences could be...they die by their own hands.

We have basically begged Indonesia for the lives of Chan and Sukumaran.
Muslim Indonesia has basically told us to get f'd.

Ingrates! We give them $500 million of our tax dollars every 52 weeks in aid, and gave them a billion dollars after the tsunami.
Our little kids sold lemonade by the roadside and sent them the proceeds.
Our people sent container loads of furniture, food, clothing, toys etc to them.

Revenge must be taken when Muslim Indonesia drags them from the cells to the execution shredding outdoor death chamber.

 

[Vikrant]

Vikrant -

Can you show us where you have recommded Australia attack PNG?

Because far more Australians have been killed, raped and assaulted in PNG than in Indonesia.Would you like to see proof?

This thread is about Indonesia violating human rights. This is what the topic is. That is what the scope of the thread is. If you bring in the problems of the whole world into this thread, we will lose focus, which will render the discussion at hand ineffective.

Why is it so hard for you to understand a simple thing like this?

You are welcome to start a thread on PNG. No body is stopping you but you choose to disrupt this thread because it does not conform to your agenda.

I have observed you for quite sometime now. You do nothing to contribute to any topic on this forum but you do everything you can to disrupt threads after threads.

What is wrong with you?