The Artic, the Navys new battlefield!!

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    The Navy will soon have a new battlefield on its hands. Climate changes near the North Pole have been dramatic. The amount of summertime ice has decreased by half over the past 50 years. The ice is also 50 percent thinner, resulting in greater seasonal variations.

    “The Arctic is changing, and it is changing rapidly,” said Rear Adm. David Titley, oceanographer of the Navy. “If the Navy does not start looking at this today … we could wake up in seven or eight years and find ourselves way behind the power curve.”
    Navy: Time is now to prepare for ice-free Arctic - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times

    I'm going to reserve comment on this issue only because it it's hard to know what to think on this one. While it's prudent to cover open ocean , especially in the Artic , I have to wonder how much of this is motivated by the new "clean and green" science push.
     
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    From the video, it looks like the area bordering Siberia is where it will be ice free, not the US, Canadia or Iceland side.

    Our Russian freinds would be the ones most effected by it.
     
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    What I find interesting on this , is that appears that it is not unexpected. The Navy has for years operated in the Aritc anyway , so I'm trying to understand if the articles implied premise is that the Navy is making a commitment because of "global warming" or as the new term these days " climate change". We have all no doubt seen how good we are at making predictions on the weather lately.
     
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    It appears they are interested because the Russians would try to interfere with it.

    I doubt you will see commercial traffic along such a dangerous waterway.

    There is a strong belief that the artic is swimming in oil just off those shores, another reason the russians would want it all.
     
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    I'm aware there is High interest in the region because of potential for oil and natural gas especially on the part of the Russians. The US Navy and the Russian Navy though have been operating in that region for years and are unlikely to stop so the nature of the article seems to forget that fact. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that commercial traffic would use the region on a consistant basis as you pointed out it is highly unstable.
     
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    Obviously the Navy is buying into the global warming myth.

    They wouldn't be doing this if Bush were still there. They would be ordered to report the caps are still frozen
     
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    All the military serives should ask for complete budget over-hauls and massive budget increases due to climate change.

    As Professional Beaurocrats, Sec. of the Navy shouldn't let this opportunity pass to defend the nation from sea-bourne threats originating from Greenland or Kamachuka!!!!!

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    The two-day conference, focused specifically on military security equities in the Arctic, was sponsored by the International Law Department of the Naval War College and the Marine Policy Center at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Participants included military, government and academic experts from nearly a dozen interested nations.

    Holding a doctorate in meteorology and oceanography and serving as the senior oceanographer in the Navy, Titley was a logical choice to head Task Force Climate Change, established by the chief of naval operations in May of 2009. Since the Arctic climate is changing faster than other region of the globe, the task force is initially charged with developing a roadmap to guide Navy policy, strategy and investments related to the Arctic.

    Titley pointed out that the tenants of the Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower, what he referred to as "the U.S. Navy's foundation strategy document," apply equally in the Arctic as in other regions of the globe. He specifically mentioned the requirements for naval presence in the Arctic, maritime security in partnership with the U.S. Coast Guard, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, and deterrence.

    "Deterrence is letting other nations know that we are up there, that we are an Arctic nation, and that we have equities," he explained.

    Titley mentioned that human access to the Arctic is increasing due to the reduction of the sea ice, and that access will likely increase in the future driven by the possibility of natural resource extraction, including oil, natural gas, and minerals; significant time and fuel savings from transoceanic shipping opportunities; and increased commercial fishing potential due to the northward migration of some ecosystems.
    Conference Addresses Navy's Role in a Changing Arctic

    WASHINGTON, July 31, 2009 – Rapidly diminishing sea ice, melting glaciers, rising sea levels, increased storm severity -- all are possible consequences of a climate that mounting evidence suggests is changing significantly.

    As the scientific community works to understand the changing climate, the chief of naval operations has created a task force, headed by Rear Adm. David Titley, the Navy's senior oceanographer, to better understand and evaluate its implications for maritime security.

    “Task Force Climate Change was initiated … to assess the Navy’s preparedness to respond to emerging requirements, and to develop a science-based timeline for future Navy actions regarding climate change,” Titley explained in a July 28 interview on Pentagon Web Radio’s audio webcast “Armed with Science: Research and Applications for the Modern Military.”

    Defense.gov News Article: Navy Task Force Assesses Changing Climate

    So basically what your saying is that the policy now relfects the direction of CIC rightwing as it did during the last Administration. I did take note that the Navy has taken no stance to my knowledge on the causes of "climate change" at least according to my reading.
     
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    Um, we've been playing cat and mouse with the Soviets in the Arctic as long as I can remember.
     
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