The Alleged Secret Plot To Sabotage Jimmy Carters Re-election By Delaying Hostage Release

[JoeB131]

Many Chinese don't want to be ruled by your beloved CCP. How will that end?

If that were true, they'd have another form of government that would STILL be Chinese.

 

[DudleySmith]

The main decline began when Khrushchev was sacked in 1964 in favor of Brezhnev who was powerful but stupid as he retched up the military and tried to export their ideology which drained their always meager economy.

Then they were suffering from food shortages that got worse in the 1970's where they were once forced to buy grain from, he he America that drains the weak economy some more which never recovered then Afghanistan involvement where they couldn't defeat roving tribe other drains of their never impressive economy continued.

Reagan came along with his loud put downs of the weak USSR calling them an evil empire which weakened them internally politically and that "Star Wars" proposals actually scared the old doddering empire who wanted to convince Reagan not to pursue it during negotiations even though it didn't exist at the time.

The Decline started long ago for it to be ripe for Reagan to apply the pressure to finish it off after all the confused leadership changes after Brezhnev died exposed that their power was in tatters already being a closed nation made it difficult for a productive workforce to be maintained.

Brezhnev was a TERRIBLE economic leader who greatly weakened them internally with his stupid Militaristic viewpoint (He was a Colonel) that drained the always weak economy which began its downward spiral around 1972 that never stopped.

The OPEC embargoes contributed as well; it brought down two of our Presidents as well. Fortunately at the time we had a peaceful means of handling those. Not sure if that still applies these days.

 

[DudleySmith]

I remember when Tipp Oneil, you know the head of Congress, he was the one blowing the deficit all out of whack, because he was in charge of the purse strings. RR wanted "line item veto" to keep the pork out of the bills, but those damn Marxists/Demofacists just had to spend on top of the military budget we so needed.


$28 trillion
The estimated aggregate cost of the War on Poverty is nearly $28 trillion, which is three and a half times higher than the $8 trillion total price tag of every major war since the American Revolution.

It’s Time to Admit the Feds Are Making Poverty Worse—Not Better​

www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=11707

The 'War On Poverty' ended with the Oil Crisis and corporate welfare bailouts of the 1970's and 1980's.

 

[DudleySmith]

Many Chinese don't want to be ruled by your beloved CCP. How will that end?

All govt.s reflect the culture and people they govern. That's a fact that can never be any other way anywhere on Earth.

 

[DudleySmith]

This is revisionist history. The Soviets were already in serious financial peril. Did Reagan's spending expedite their collapse? Probably by 5-10 years at the most. He also blew deficits out of the water and since Republicans only care about deficits when they're out of power and slash taxes on the people who can support federal budges the most, our debt situation has never really recovered. Thanks, Ronnie.

Actully his dumbass sabre rattling prolonged the reforms, giving the Party hardliners an excuse to resist Gorbachev's reforms. He got all the drunks and swindlers all excited though.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yep. Reagan is responsible for the explosion in Hispanics replacing white workers, more than any President before or after hm.

Reagan is responsible for manufacturing moving to China, the collapse of the U.S. steel steel industry, the auto manufacturing industry moving to Canada, and Mexico, and the rust belt created from PA to WI.

And let’s not leave out the war on Central American socialist regimes, that led directly to the collapse of Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, that is the direct cause of the problem at the southern border.

And how can we overlook the collapse of the savings and loans, due directly to supply side economics.

And how much military aid did Iran receive from the Iran Contra criminal syndicate, he escaped prosecution for?

Something about a Marines barracks bombing, and a cut and run order jogs my memory.

The savings and loans collapsed because people stopped putting their obey in them, the were paying one percent in interest while raking in high interest on loans. Credit Unions replaced S&Ls because they are member-owned.
Bu “socialist” you mean outright communist governments that supported terrorism against both their own people as well as neighboring countries.
The Reagan amnesty was a bad idea because he trusted the democrats to follow through on their promises for border security and sanctions against employers which they didn’t, and I believe had no intentions to follow through on.

 

[skews13]

The topic of the thread is the admission by the political operative involved admitting his involvement. Which means it’s not a theory or a conspiracy.

Another, in a long line of fail by moderation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The 'War On Poverty' ended with the Oil Crisis and corporate welfare bailouts of the 1970's and 1980's.

No it didnt, it just increased it hundred fold. 28 trillion dollars has gone to the War on Poverty and we still have a big problem with poverty. Thanks to the Marxists/Demofacists who keep people on the welfare system, by high energy prices and inflation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All govt.s reflect the culture and people they govern. That's a fact that can never be any other way anywhere on Earth.

Of their unarmed people

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If that were true, they'd have another form of government that would STILL be Chinese.

But not Communism










Xi <3 your devotion to his Party!

 

[DudleySmith]

Of their unarmed people

What? The Cadre are all Chinese. They didn't drop in from Mars and take over. Not a lot of difference between Mao, Xi, and a hundred previous Emperors.

 

[JoeB131]

But not Communism

Xi <3 your devotion to his Party!

What they are doing now barely qualifies as Communism. They traded in their Mao suits for blue blazers a long time ago.

I have no love for Xi. I just don't think any conflict we have with China is worth a nuclear war.

 

[jbrownson0831]

A “prominent Texas politician” has come forward to allege a shocking four-decade secret: that foes of President Jimmy Carter sabotaged his 1980 re-election by urging Iranians not to release 52 American hostages until after that election.

The New York Times reported yesterday that Ben Barnes, a major figure in Texas politics in the 1980s, says he now wants to set the record straight about having “unwittingly (taken) part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine agenda.”

In that tour, Barnes says, he traveled that summer with his mentor, former Texas Governor John Connally” to one Middle Eastern capital after another meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don’t release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.”

Revealed: The alleged secret plot to sabotage Jimmy Carter's reelection by delaying hostage release

A “prominent Texas politician” has come forward to allege a shocking four-decade secret: that foes of President Jimmy Carter sabotaged his 1980 re-election by urging Iranians not to release 52 American hostages until after that election. The New York Times reported yesterday that Ben Barnes, a...

www.rawstory.com

No body gives better deals to the mullah than Republicans.

Well Carter did totally botch the rescue attempt so there is that.....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well Carter did totally botch the rescue attempt so there is that.....

Was there anything that Carter didnt do, that wasnt botched? He is Joe Biden 1.0. Now we have to deal with Joe 2.0

 

[PeterPilot]

A “prominent Texas politician” has come forward to allege a shocking four-decade secret: that foes of President Jimmy Carter sabotaged his 1980 re-election by urging Iranians not to release 52 American hostages until after that election.

The New York Times reported yesterday that Ben Barnes, a major figure in Texas politics in the 1980s, says he now wants to set the record straight about having “unwittingly (taken) part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine agenda.”

In that tour, Barnes says, he traveled that summer with his mentor, former Texas Governor John Connally” to one Middle Eastern capital after another meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don’t release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.”

Revealed: The alleged secret plot to sabotage Jimmy Carter's reelection by delaying hostage release

A “prominent Texas politician” has come forward to allege a shocking four-decade secret: that foes of President Jimmy Carter sabotaged his 1980 re-election by urging Iranians not to release 52 American hostages until after that election. The New York Times reported yesterday that Ben Barnes, a...

www.rawstory.com

No body gives better deals to the mullah than Republicans.

Isn't this part of the reason it was called the Iran-Contra Affair?

 

[PeterPilot]

Well Carter did totally botch the rescue attempt so there is that.....

Carter wasn't flying the helicopter himself....

 

[jbrownson0831]

Carter wasn't flying the helicopter himself....

And yet, he is responsible for the failed fiasco.

 

[PeterPilot]

And yet, he is responsible for the failed fiasco.

That is the way politics work, clean or dirty.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Carter wasn't flying the helicopter himself....

Donald Trump wasnt the person behind the Russian Dossier either, yet the Demofacists like James Comey broke the law by presenting it as fact to a FISA court.

 

[PeterPilot]

Donald Trump wasnt the person behind the Russian Dossier either, yet the Demofacists like James Comey broke the law by presenting it as fact to a FISA court.

True but irrelevant.