The 2nd American Civil War

[konradv]

"Nobody sane wants a civil war" Missourian.., i am glad you qualified that statement, "sane" i would bet big bucks that is exactly what the muslime mulatto in the WH wants, because he is one crazy son-of-a-bitch

When talking about the "sane", he obviously wasn't talking about you. Throwing around racist epithets brands you as one of the insane fomenters of a Civil War climate.

 

[Survivalist]

There is a low intensity civil war going on now in the US. Not like the Great Civil War 150 yrs ago, but more like what is happening in South Africa, Brazil and other parts of the world with various racial/ideological groups striving for dominance.

In the Southwest, Hispanics lead the way to create Aztlan. South Central Los Angeles, for example, was primarily Black 20 years ago, and is now Hispanic---as Latino gangs have helped push the Blacks into the sea with killings, beatings and other intimidation.



Liberal policies over the years have helped create vast neighborhoods and cites (Detroit) with Blacks and other Islamics people. Although the people in these places generally kill each other, it is ony a matter of time before they revert to organized warfare.

Zimbabwe is a perfect picture of White genocide. South Africa will end with the same result within 20 years.

Just because your favorite talking head on MSNBC, The View or Fox News dosen't cover these topics, doesn't mean they don't exsist.

 

[PaulS1950]

And when the farmers (government) can no longer provide the necessities of the livestock (the people) the livestock (people) rebel.

As our freedoms are taken very gradually and the illusion of freedom is continued most continue to believe all is well. One day people see something that they treasure more than their fear can restrain and they become activists. Those activists are called names to keep their message from being "acceptable" to the masses but as more see the restrictions as unacceptable the activism grows. Sooner or later the activists become the majority. Then either government must act violently (as the British did) or they must give in to the majority.

We, the people, can make a difference but only if we are willing to see our cage.
The loss of our rights is the metal that make the bars of that cage.
The most important of those rights to each individual have to be overtly affected in order to open their eyes.
The easiest way to fight that vision is to make the loss of our rights important to the safety of the people. Searches (that are unlawful) at airports, ferry and bus terminals make people feel safer though they have never yielded an arrest of any terrorist. Terrorists have made it through the searches and endangered people so the searches have become more intense - to the point where people objected and then they were reduced in a moderate, unmeaning, way to calm those objecting.

Wanting to take "assault weapons" (basically just any semi-auto gun) was thought to be a valid target after an attack on a movie theater and a school because it could be said that it was to protect our children. The actual facts showed that any attack on the variety or number of guns available to the citizens was too big a step for most of the population. A CDC study was demanded by the president to show that we needed to take the guns but it found that 4110 - 8219 citizens used guns each day to protect themselves against criminals successfully - most often without firing a shot. With less than 8000 murders a year here was a number of prevented crimes that saved more lives in one day than were wrongfully taken in a whole year.

Each of our rights are under attack in much the same way and in most cases there is enough objection that we only lose a bit each time the attack comes but we are losing our rights. So far people do not see the whole picture.

The war is being fought. It is being fought within the system and it will continue until the system no longer allows it. When that happens it will not be a state or even a group of states that takes on the military might of the country. It will be individuals spread out over the entire country. It will be military and ex-military people, average citizens, sheriff's deputies and police, husbands and wives and even children who will fight in a war that won't have battle lines or fortresses to take over. They will work for a living and fight as they can - like the resistance in German occupied Europe during WWII. The same way that some of the farmers fought the British in the Revolutionary War. The people fighting will outnumber the government forces many times over and there will be deaths and injuries on both sides. Innocent people will be killed to show the fighters that they will suffer but, as in our first war, that will only harden the resolve and convince more to join the ranks of those fighting for freedom.

No sane person wants war. That is a fact but war is sometimes the only tool that a people have to be free. Freedom is worth more than life itself and it is better to die than to be enslaved.

 

[MDiver]

I see the potential for a civil war in the making. As Islam grows in the United States, eventually, the armed public will lash out, not wanting their freedoms taken away by barbaric/primitive Shariah Law.
It will take a few generations, but will likely occur.

 

[PredFan]

Yes, we are in a civil war right now and it is the US Government vs the people and yes, we are losing. Mainly because all of those on the left and many on the right are aiding and abetting the enemy.

 

[PaulS1950]

There is another senario that is even more likely that a civil war:

I have been taking a long hard look at the international events that are going on, watching the value of the dollar and the posturing of China and a few other countries and wondering how this is all connected or if it is just coincidence. Here is what I find interesting and possibly dangerous:


1. The USA is actively destabilizing the middle East.

2. The countries that we are working over are the same ones that are aligning with Russia and China to use other currency than the dollar for international trades.

3. The former USSR (I will use "Russia" in this discussion although that is not as accurate) is partnering with those countries for oil not based on the dollar. In effect supporting the discontinued use of the dollar as the world currency that it has been since the end of WWII.

4. We are more confrontational with North Korea than we have been since the treaty was signed after the Korean conflict.

5. China is backing away from Korea but still doing business with them in the Chinese currency - no dollars involved.

6. Russia is building underground manufacturing plants.

7. China is building a Pacific naval fleet.

8. The US federal government is restricting our constitutionally protected rights.

9. The president is posturing to sign the UN small arms treaty at the close of this congressional session.

10. The congress is sure to block the UN small arms treaty on constitutional grounds.

11. The US is continuing its nuclear reduction but China and Russia are not.

12. The US is not acting on evidence of cyber attacks or standing up for itself in any way to the other two powers - we are presenting ourselves as weak.

If I was a conspiracy nut I would try to connect the dots like so:

Russia and China are forming a partnership to out-flank the US economically.
China is building a Pacific navy and Russia is preparing their manufacturing facilities to make them hardened against attack or retaliation.
If the United Arab Republics gang up on Israel the US may (probably will) join in the battle or at least lend aid to Israel.
The Chinese and Russian governments can legally claim the USA is "bullying" in the Middle East again and launch a retalitory nuclear attack against the bully (the USA) to stop "american agression".
The israelis will use nukes to stop the agression against them wiping out most of the United Arab Republic.
The feds will claim that we were caught off guard and did not have time to retaliate before our bases were hit and disabled. (fake)
This opens the door to get the UN involved as "our savior" so that the small arms treaty is put in place. This will effectively dis-arm the American public.
The UN, England, France, Germany and our other allies will join forces under the auspices of the UN to stop the Aggression of Russia and China but China will switch sides and join the NATO forces to remove the Russian threat.
That will disable Russia as a world power. With the US already hit and crippled China becomes the only super power left.
We are all under the advisement of The UN and NATO and we have adopted the UN rights charter - losing most of our rights. We have been disarmed in the name of "national security" and the "new world order" begins.

What comes next is just a guess (as is all the rest) but since the nuclear might of the US was never really damaged and most of our modern war planes were out at sea and in foreign countries it takes just a month to get back to the readiness state instead of the years that China was planning we are in a position to surprise the Chinese when they try to invade. We will deal a heavy blow to the Chinese mainland with a high altitude nuclear EMP attack and destroy their pacific fleet with a sneak air attack with our stealth fleet of aircraft. The destruction of the industrial centers and seaports will be akcomplished with a few well placed nuclear devices. That leaves the US as the only global power, under the control of the UN, as the NATO world police force. Welcome to the fulfillment of the "new world order".

This is conjecture but it would do two things for the US and the world banking system. It would remove the national debt without anyone having to take responsibility for it - it might well collapse the economy of the US but the Fed can claim "it's not our fault".
It also brings socialism within reach of the US government so they actually will control the most powerful country in the world. Sweeping laws will put the feds in control of food production - and consumption, fuel production and consumption and virtually every facet of our lives.

The final blow to the constitution will be made in the emotions of a country that was bombed in a surprise attack and "unable" to strike back without the aid of the NATO forces and their "aportioned rights". Most of the country is stupid or ignorant enough to fall for it. Those small pockets of free thinkers won't be able to hold out against a military out of control so the United States will simply fade away into history or, and more likely history will be re-written to show that this is the way that the US has always been. "Long live the United Socialist Americas".

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is a low intensity civil war going on now in the US. .

You are as in"sane" as the nutter who used "muslim mulatto".

There is no such "minor civil war" going on, except within the cells of your brain as the rational cells are trying to keep the others from strangling them.

What a buncha fuckling loon nutters from the reactionary right.

 

[Missourian]

Anybody who seriously thinks a state in the USA is willing to arm itself and fight the federal government is a fool. Anybody who thinks an independent little army can go up against the greatest technological and military force in the world deserves to die.

This is a fallacy.

Do you know what the military is good at?

Bombing cities to rubble, and capturing territory, controlling supply lines and air superiority.

None of that does a lick of good rooting out an insurgency.

Ten years in Afghanistan.

The Afghans have no planes, no tanks, no armored vehicles.

Yet, the fight still isn't over.

Because the military can't bomb, capture or control it's way to victory.

It would be 10 times more difficult to mount an Afghanistan style operation in America...American's wouldn't stand for it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Missourian, stop frothing, please. Your line of analysis as applied to the USA is a fallacy.

 

[PaulS1950]

Missourian, stop frothing, please. Your line of analysis as applied to the USA is a fallacy.

You wouldn't mind the military taking out your block with a couple of AGMs from a drone to get someone of suspected insurgence would you...

or a hellfire missile aimed at the house next door taking out both houses on either side...

We know from experience that even the cops can't get the right address and that the military always hit their target... maybe the next time it will be your child in the sights of a drone.
That's ok isn't it - because after all a little collateral damage is to be expected... right?

 

[bendog]

I'm halfway hoping the RW shuts down govt to defund Obamacare. Simply cause I'm tired of the RW. But, I think that's all the crazy we have out there.

 

[Survivalist]

There is a low intensity civil war going on now in the US. .

You are as in"sane" as the nutter who used "muslim mulatto".

There is no such "minor civil war" going on, except within the cells of your brain as the rational cells are trying to keep the others from strangling them.

What a buncha fuckling loon nutters from the reactionary right.

No sir, that wasn't me. I've only called your great leader, "Great Leader" or a "Neo-communist" or "Hypocrite" or "racist" or "elitist."

My term for a "minor civil war" can be viewed as the current civil unrest and violence between different ethnic groups as they band together to gain or hold territory. If you don't see that happening after being in the forum for months then you are more looney than you imagine anyone else in here to be.

 

[Missourian]

Missourian, stop frothing, please. Your line of analysis as applied to the USA is a fallacy.

I was a soldier Jake.

Everything I posted is absolutely true.

I have no wish to fight with my former comrades nor engage in hostilities with anyone.

That does nothing to change the facts.

The military is a sword, not a scalpel.

It's the perfect tool for chopping off heads, not removing tumors.

 

[JakeStarkey]

was a soldier Missourian too.

Everything you posted is not so.

I hope you have no wish to fight with your "former comrades nor engage in hostilities with anyone": because you will die if you do so.

 

[SayMyName]

My life experience in travel around the world, and living in the United States, is this...I am always surprised when people say..."never."

Riiiiight. Maybe not a civil war, but a downright Bosnian scenario seems more than likely should the government keep pressing one way and a large segment of the population running in the opposite direction, and beforehand, the Brazilianization of the nation between the elites behind walls and the masses in the ghettos in line for government cheese.

 

[R.C. Christian]

No civil war is at all possible unless a catastrophic event brings down the communications and transportation infrastructures.

Then there will be wars and rumors of war, for sure.

OK, I'll bite. How about 10 dollar a gallon gas on the first day of war with Iran? Would that be enough to stop the trucks?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

A genuine civil war is something few would want. Not me, that's for sure.

Exploring the possibility of splitting into two or more countries, now that's something I would be interested in considering.

 

[Missourian]

was a soldier Missourian too.

Everything you posted is not so.

I hope you have no wish to fight with your "former comrades nor engage in hostilities with anyone": because you will die if you do so.

Then you'll have to explain why the military has been in Afghanistan for 12 years, and hasn't won yet?

We will quietly fold our tents and go home.

It's no reflection on our troops, the served honorably, doing what they could with what they had...but you can't scramble eggs with a cement mixer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

was a soldier Missourian too.

Everything you posted is not so.

I hope you have no wish to fight with your "former comrades nor engage in hostilities with anyone": because you will die if you do so.

Then you'll have to explain why the military has been in Afghanistan for 12 years, and hasn't won yet?

We will quietly fold our tents and go home.

It's no reflection on our troops, the served honorably, doing what they could with what they had...but you can't scramble eggs with a cement mixer.

Afghanistan is a comparative fallacy in many, many ways.

In part, though, because the Afghanis supported the insurgency.

Americans overwhelmingly will oppose any insurgency in the country against the status quo and will go out their way to learn who and report them to the LEO and military.

 

[Mac1958]

Can you assure us this won't happen?

Do you think any American wants it to happen?

Prevention is paramount.

The Division Pimps -- those who have and act upon their vested interest in keeping Americans angry and divided -- don't want a civil war, they just want to keep things at a medium boil. That keeps the money rolling in for 'em.

They're doing a fabulous job, aren't they?

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